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Has Islam Failed Its People?  
User currently offlineIndianguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (11 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 1256 times:


All around us we see Islamic countries degenerate into failed states and then becoming export centers for terrorists. On various debates here on this forum, I have seen that a post against terrorism usually degenerates in to a post against Islam. But has Islam failed its people or have the people failed Islam?

I see Terrorism as a result of these states failing their people. The frustration of these people is channeled by agents of the state away from themselves and towards the enemies of these powers that be, and the people are guided into doing things they would never had done otherwise. Therefore we see that the people have taken to terrorism, not because their religion has told them to, but because the state has failed them.

And why is it that Muslim states have consistently failed their citizens? Muslim leaders have always been vulnerable to being exploited by crafty western imperialists and being used for their own sinister games.

Whether it is the erstwhile Shah of Iran, or Saddam Hussein, Gen. Ayub Khan, Gen.Zia or Gen.Musharraf, all have taken their power from Western support, and the price for this was paid by their hapless citizens.

First there was the Shah of Iran, who allowed the US to use his country as a colonial outpost for the Americans, in return for their backing his regime. Iran, under the Shah, was part of every military alliance that the Americans created in the region, and as a result was one of the biggest captive markets for US products esp. military. The people to suffer most were the ordinary citizens of Iran who revolted to throw out this neo-colonial arrangement.

Saddam was then propped up by the US in the 70’s and 80’s against the Iranian Revolution. In return, he served to keep Iran on the brink. Iran was successfully contained by drawing it into conflict with a Muslim Iraq, thus preventing it from exporting the revolution. For this, Saddam was provided with plenty of arms (incl. WMD’s), both overtly and covertly. Muslim was pitted against Muslim. Benefit?

And who paid the price for this? The Iraqi people suffered enormous casualties in the eight year long bloody conflict with Iran. And now when the US seeks to destabilize the region again in pursuit of its imperialist ambitions, by overthrowing the same leader they propped up, the Iraqi people will suffer once more.

Lastly, there is Pakistan, which is the perfect example how Islamic countries have been exploited. Under Gen.Zia, Pakistan allowed its resources to be used so that the Russians could be given a bloody nose in Afghanistan. Ofcourse it was rewarded in the form of the latest F16’s and a wink and a nod to its export of terrorism to other areas. But what has it lost out? Most importantly, Pakistan has lost out on democracy, because the army continues to throttle its people into submission. The leftover of the Afghan experiment was a surplus of arms of the AK47 variety, which has contributed to increasing the level of bloodshed in Pakistani cities during moments of strife. More dangerously, the ISI, its intelligence agency, which cut its teeth with the Afghan experiment,has become an organization that is totally out of the control of either the civilian leadership(that is when there is such a thing!) or the army. The ISI has been instigating conflicts in the region and beyond, as well as within its own borders.

Gen.Musharraf has also had to compromise and yield to the American’s in order to sustain himself in power. The ultimate losers are the Pakistani people, as once again, a military dictator has come to stay with American support. If in the process, Pakistans national interests are sacrificed, then so be it! The US has asked for and got airbases like Jacobabad; Musharraf has had no option but to comply! So 55 years after gaining independence from the British, Western troops have again landed in Pakistan, occupied Pakistani territory, and trampled on its sovereignty, ONLY so that Musharraf and his rogue army can continue to stay in power.

These examples, in addition to Saudi Arabia, the other Middle Eastern states, Indonesia etc. are all examples of how Islamic countries have been systematically exploited by Western powers taking advantage of criminal elements within their system. It wasn’t Islam that was at fault, it the fault of the leaders who allowed their countries to be exploited by these imperialist countries for their own selfish interest. The people suffered, and reacted by taking to terrorism. But now, the US has taken to using Terrorism as an instrument of its State Policy as we have seen in Afghanistan where a puppet regime was installed in the guise of fighting a “War on Terror”.

The frustration that the Muslim people face is understandable. But they must understand that Terrorist acts are only to going to bring disrepute to their noble cause. They must recognize the real problem and work to fight that.

Islam has not failed its people. It’s the people working the system who have failed Islam and bought it disrepute. Islam has been colonized, and the Muslim people are paying the price for the foolish actions of their leaders, not all of whom they chose. But I feel that the solution to their problems is with them. They cannot afford to be like cowards. They have to identify their real enemies and take decisive action to fight this new wave of imperialism. The Iranian revolution should be the ideal. The Iranian people have shown Islam the way forward. They have proven that real democracy in their countries can work even when (or perhaps BECAUSE) Americans are not around. Iran is today a thriving democracy with a free press and it has done that by throwing off the American yoke that was around their neck.

People across the Islamic world, from Pakistan to Egypt, must emulate the Iranian Revolution and work to bring about a similar revolution in their respective countries. The pro-US puppet regimes that have turned their countries into American colonies and bought so much misfortune to their people must be sent packing like the Shah-of-Iran was. And the Americans must be told in no uncertain terms where exactly they get off.

THIS, and not Terror, is the solution to the frustration facing the Islamic world. By attacking America, these terrorists are only handing them a stick with which to beat the Islamic World further into submission. Instead, the Muslim people should organize and take decisive action against those people(s), the modern day Mir Jaffars, who serve as American puppets to colonize the Muslim people.

-Roy



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User currently offlineFlyboy36y From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3039 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (11 years 10 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 1235 times:

I don't think Islam has failed anybody, but cerianly the Islamic states may have....

A relligion is best served voulentarily. Those who need a state to enforce a relligion for them to follow it are not true believers anyway.


User currently offlineHeavymetal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (11 years 10 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 1206 times:

Iran is today a thriving democracy with a free press and it has done that by throwing off the American yoke that was around their neck.

Iran today is a precarious theocracy whose founding mullahs are trying tenaciously to cling to power in the face of a massive, growing young population yearning for more freedom and reform. But we agree, Indianguy, that perhaps the path Iran took is what is now required in places like Saudi Arabia and Egypt. Left alone and ignored by the West for a coupla decades, the perfect "Islamic state" is now annoying the hell out of a good chunk of people who live there. The new chore of the religious police is to desperately try to keep up with the prolific explosion of illegal satellite dishes on rooftops, bringing the culture of the rest of the world to an idea- starved populace.

You'll find very few here in the States that will disagree with you that entities like the Saudi Royal family, Perez Musharraf and Hosni Mubarak are questionable allies at best, and detestable neccessities at worst. Perhaps it is time for a house cleaning in Riyahd, a transition to Wahabbi leadership....and once and for all an end to the fleets of pretentious widebodies carrying spoiled children who've squandered so much. But mind you, if strict Islamic structure is the way the people have chosen, then you should accept the idea that, like Iran two decades ago, you need to be done with the West. And we done with you. No more toys, yachts, dvd players, big screen tvs...no more culture, art, ideas, whether they be noble like free thought or nonsensical, like MTV. Become what Iran was in 1980. And we will leave you to your destiny. Perhaps in 20 years, you too will be so stifled by conformity , we can interest you in a few satellite dishes.



User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16259 posts, RR: 56
Reply 3, posted (11 years 10 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 1175 times:

Islam has absolutely failed its people.

Christianity & Judaism went thru several centuries of enlightenment during which time blossomed democracy, rule of law, private enterprise, freedom of speech & assembly, emancipation of women, etc. Islam experienced none of this.

Today we see strong economies, democracies, independent judiciaries throughout the world, with the glaring exception of Islam. There seems to be a lack of tolerance in Islammic teachings that has prevented the blossoming of democracy and prosperity.

Islam accounts for 19% of the world population, yet only 6% of its wealth...this declines to 4% if you exclude oil revenue. The problems of Islam are self-caused and can only be self-corrected, from within. There is no evidence that this has been learned yet. Blaming the West is a cop-out.



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User currently offlineMx5_boy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (11 years 10 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 1171 times:

Malaysia springs to mind of a modern forward moving country that has a majority *Islamic* population.

The church in all it's forms is hideously outdated and only contributes to fundamentalism and exploitation of others to advance individuals hatred in the name of whatever god perpetuates itself in their minds.

I have nothing against the teachings of Islam, however, those who interpret the teaching or teach the violent and oppressive versions of it need to be drawn, quartered and burnt at the stake, as do the various mobs who misrepresent catholicism, christianity, judaism et al.

Church and state must be absolutely separate.

God save the queen? Absolutely not.
God save america? Get lost.

Advance Australia - OK (No deity mentioned...)

mb

gad save a clown - absolutely not


User currently offlinePROSA From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5644 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (11 years 10 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 1168 times:

Islam accounts for 19% of the world population, yet only 6% of its wealth...this declines to 4% if you exclude oil revenue.

That may be so, but you'd get similar, possibly worse, results if you compared percentages of world population and wealth for Africa, Latin America or India.



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User currently offlineRyanb741 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2002, 3221 posts, RR: 15
Reply 6, posted (11 years 10 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 1159 times:

I think it's probably more the case that its people have failed Islam.....


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User currently offlineDavid b. From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3148 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (11 years 10 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 1152 times:

Yyz717, Islam has not failed it's people. It is the opposite way around. People have failed Islam. People have common sense and that should prevail over religious believes.

Yyz717, should this religion be destroyed?



Teenage-know-it-alls should be shot on sight
User currently offlineMarco From United Arab Emirates, joined Jul 2000, 4169 posts, RR: 11
Reply 8, posted (11 years 10 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 1144 times:

David b. This isn't a communist forum, YYZ717 is allowed to express his opinion. I, like him, believe that Islam has failed its people. Stop attacking people's opinions. Say what you believe in, and move on with your life.


Proud to be an Assyrian!
User currently offlineDavid b. From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3148 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (11 years 10 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 1134 times:

I personally think that people failed Islam, not the other way around. I think that people have common sense and that should prevail over religious believes.

I am sorry other people don't/can't see it that way. I think that this religion should continue to thrive and that all extremists that hijack it to be used for their own personal evils be destroyed.

Thank You Marco, I feel better.



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User currently offlineLehpron From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 7028 posts, RR: 21
Reply 10, posted (11 years 10 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 1115 times:

Religions were not created to fail; it is the inappropriate actions of people that cause failure. Rather, it is the peoples' beliefs themselves that create an interpretation that comes into question; a religion cannot fail simply because it is presumably a creation of God.

The only way a religion can fail is if humankind created it, as we are imperfect. You cannot judge bits and pieces, if you believe that Islam has failed, and then you must accept that the other religions of this world also have the capacity to fail their people as well.


  • "Islam has absolutely failed its people...."


  • "Yyz717, Islam has not failed it's people. It is the opposite way around. People have failed Islam. People have common sense and that should prevail over religious believes.

    Yyz717, should this religion be destroyed?
    "


  • "David b. This isn't a communist forum, YYZ717 is allowed to express his opinion. I, like him, believe that Islam has failed its people. Stop attacking people's opinions. Say what you believe in, and move on with your life. "



  •  Confused...how did he attack him? How is David b's response to Yyz717's response not allowing Yyz717's opinions to be expressed?




    Everyone else: Note the neutrality of my question...



    The meaning of life is curiosity; we were put on this planet to explore opportunities.
    User currently offlineTwaneedsnohelp From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
    Reply 11, posted (11 years 10 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 1107 times:

    Religions were not created to fail;

    what the hell does that mean?? you mind telling me what was created to fail? boeing jetliners? picture frames? textbook covers? maybe nuclear reactors?

    where is your inteligence?

    tnnh


    User currently offlineDavid B. From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3148 posts, RR: 5
    Reply 12, posted (11 years 10 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 1099 times:

    Religions were not created to fail


    Lehpron, Thank You

    Religion fails because humans fail. Religion is created by God and if you think religions are decided to fail then God is imperfect. OK, but that means all religions are doomed to fail. I mean all religions are created by "God" and "God" is not perfect. Right?

    Using that logic all religion from Islam to Judaism to Hinduism are bonded to fail. Well, Im glad I don't have a official religion because if I did, I would be wasting my time. So in the end, we are all going to hell anyway......


    what the hell does that mean?? you mind telling me what was created to fail? boeing jetliners? Picture frames? Textbook covers? Maybe nuclear reactors?

    where is your intelligence?


    Get your head on straight. All those things are man-made. Man is not perfect. This has been proven many times. If Islam fails, then all religion including Judaism will fail. Religion is created by God and if you are a religious person, you must believe that God is perfect. If you don't then you are anything but religious.




    Teenage-know-it-alls should be shot on sight
    User currently offlineJessman From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1506 posts, RR: 7
    Reply 13, posted (11 years 10 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 1100 times:

    Judaism was set up under the law of Moses to be implemented within the bounds of a Jewish State; Israel. Throughout the ages when the Jews were conquered and scattered; conquered and scattered; over and over; they still tried to return to that same little sliver of land that is smaller than New Jersey. That dinky little sliver of dirt still causes lots of noise in today's world as certain members once again want to conquer and scatter the Jews.

    The Jews were looking for a Messiah, a Christ who would be a strong earthly king and conquer their opressors so they could live in peace. This did not happen. In fact it turned out quite differently.

    Christ comes to the world and he's not what the Jews had expeced. They were so certain that Israel was to be under soverign Jewish authority and that paying taxes to an outside ruler would be offensive to the Messiah, so they set out to trap him.


    Matthew 22
    15Then the Pharisees went out and laid plans to trap him in his words. 16They sent their disciples to him along with the Herodians. "Teacher," they said, "we know you are a man of integrity and that you teach the way of God in accordance with the truth. You aren't swayed by men, because you pay no attention to who they are. 17Tell us then, what is your opinion? Is it right to pay taxes to Caesar or not?"
    18But Jesus, knowing their evil intent, said, "You hypocrites, why are you trying to trap me? 19Show me the coin used for paying the tax." They brought him a denarius, 20and he asked them, "Whose portrait is this? And whose inscription?"
    21"Caesar's," they replied.
    Then he said to them, "Give to Caesar what is Caesar's, and to God what is God's."
    22When they heard this, they were amazed. So they left him and went away.


    If you didn't catch that; Jesus Christ just legitimized the ruling authority, even though on the surface the Roman Empire was in direct conflict with the teachings of Judaism/Christianity. This concept is expanded upon later on in the New Testament

    Romans 13
    1Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves.


    Probably one of the biggest tests of faith for a Believer is that God can use the evil rulers of this world to further the will of God. However there are several examples of this in even the old testament. God even calls the wicked king Nebuchadnezzar (famous for throwing Daniel's friends into the fiery furnace) his servant (Jeremiah 27:6).

    I am not a true scholar of Islam; but the common consensus that I get is similar to the one reflected on this website http://www.islam101.com/politics/IslamicStates.htm; where the author says in part "The way of life before God is Islam. Islam as a complete way of life means inclusion of governmental agencies, the legislative, police, army, navy, air force, marine, the courts, the judges, the city, state and federal governments, the congress, the IRS and so on. All these must be in accordance with Islam."

    So in contrast with Christianity, Islam believes in an idea of complete integration of Government and their strict interpretation of Islam.


    User currently offlineMarco From United Arab Emirates, joined Jul 2000, 4169 posts, RR: 11
    Reply 14, posted (11 years 10 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 1097 times:

    TNNH don't even bother trying to figure these people out. Prof. Lephron especially!

    ...how did he attack him? How is David b's response to Yyz717's response not allowing Yyz717's opinions to be expressed

    David doesn't want any discussion whatsoever. Even though Yyz717 is going about it in a very civilized manner. Get off your high horse Lephron.

    PS: I won't claim to be neutral, because I'm not. There's no such thing as neutrality in such a discussion.



    Proud to be an Assyrian!
    User currently offlineLehpron From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 7028 posts, RR: 21
    Reply 15, posted (11 years 10 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 1091 times:

    I'm sorry I wasn't clear, cut n' dry for ya.

    PEOPLE were created to fail...where is your inteligence?  Wink/being sarcastic

    Think about it dude. We are talking about whether a religion can fail it's people, like I said before, a religion cannot fail simply because it is presumably a creation of God.

    If we as humans never failed in what we do, we never learn from mistakes that never took place, we'd never expect the next iteration and therefore we'd die out of lack of imperfection.

    (there are at least two meaning here, can you catch them?)

    Besides, everything we make fails in the end...long term that is.





    The meaning of life is curiosity; we were put on this planet to explore opportunities.
    User currently offlineDavid B. From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3148 posts, RR: 5
    Reply 16, posted (11 years 10 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 1078 times:

    Read my post again. Thank You


    Teenage-know-it-alls should be shot on sight
    User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16259 posts, RR: 56
    Reply 17, posted (11 years 10 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 1055 times:

    Religions were not created to fail; it is the inappropriate actions of people that cause failure.

    Oh please. Islam has been an abject failure as a religion promoting prosperity, free thought, democracy, emancipation of women, rule of law......otherwise Muslim countries would overwhelmingly be prosperous, free, democratic, etc.

    When 19% of the world's population can only produce 6% of its wealth.....there has to be a common thread.....that common thread is the failure of Islam.




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    User currently offlineDavid B. From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3148 posts, RR: 5
    Reply 18, posted (11 years 10 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 1054 times:



    Oh please. Islam has been an abject failure as a religion promoting prosperity, free thought, democracy, emancipation of women, rule of law......otherwise Muslim countries would overwhelmingly be prosperous, free, democratic, etc.

    When 19% of the world's population can only produce 6% of its wealth.....there has to be a common thread.....that common thread is the failure of Islam.


    How would you explain SE asian and the UAE? Those countries have GDP equal to european countries. You just dont understand Islam. How would you fix this problem?



    Teenage-know-it-alls should be shot on sight
    User currently offlineMarco From United Arab Emirates, joined Jul 2000, 4169 posts, RR: 11
    Reply 19, posted (11 years 10 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 1049 times:

    UAE can be easily explained. Human rights don't exist. When half of your population (literally 50-60%) is made up of cheap labor, living on 200$ a month and the other half lives lavishly, there's something wrong. You should see how the indians are treated. You'd think slavery was abolished.


    Proud to be an Assyrian!
    User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16259 posts, RR: 56
    Reply 20, posted (11 years 10 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 1048 times:

    How would you explain SE asian and the UAE? Those countries have GDP equal to european countries. You just dont understand Islam. How would you fix this problem?

    The UAE's wealth is entirely due to oil. SE Asia.....you mean Malaysia? Indonesia? Still 3rd world countries......

    How would I fix the problem????? Well, to paraphrase the recent UN report on Arab progress (or the lack thereof), the Arab world (indeed the entire Muslim world) needs democratic institutions, emancipation of woman, rule of law, responsible government, separation of church & state. Granted, these things can take a generation to unfold.

    Until they do, Islamic countries will generally continue to flounder.




    Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
    User currently offlineIndianguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
    Reply 21, posted (11 years 10 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 1034 times:

    See first off, I do not for a moment think that Religion and Statecraft should go together. That’s like fitting a square peg in a round hole. I agree fully with MX5_Boy that religion and the state must be kept separate. However, if some people believe that Religion should play a role in statecraft then they are entitled to their opinions.

    YYZ717: All the reasons you quote are examples where the People have failed Islam. The leaders have not been able to do their duty. How is Islam at fault? How can Islam be blamed for the misrule of its leaders?

    Hitler committed many misdeeds in his lifetime, as has our very own Dubya. But all of us are very clear that these are the misdeeds of the individuals concerned, not of Christianity! Why cant we show the same clear logic while dealing with Islam? Why judge Islam by its leaders?

    The real misfortune is that the real teachings of Islam have never been understood or practiced. But it is Islamic Leaders who have failed, and not Islam. It has been Islam’s misfortune that they have had very few leaders with the foresight to lead their people correctly. I believe we all must understand that.

    Indonesia is an Islamic state, as is Afghanistan. But the way in which both these states interpreted Islam’s teachings is quite different! So it is the people who have at fault here, not the religion itself.

    Islam needs to change, keep up with the times. But a leader can work to bring about these kind of changes only if he has what it takes to resist negative foreign influences. Islam is particularly vulnerable as many Islamic countries have vast resources of a much sought after commodity: Oil. Western countries therefore have evolved a strategy to keep these regions on the boil, and ensured that leaders of these states need the US for securing themselves, thus giving them a foothold. In the bargain, their interests have suffered; as has Islam, because unlike other religions, Islam has never got the opportunity & space (in this century) to modernize their religion.


    All the other major religions have kept themselves in-sync. Islam (with the notable exceptions of Turkey and Iran) has failed to do this. Turkey had a leader like Kemal Ataturk; Iran had the Khomeini. These leaders brought about revolution by awakening the masses, Interpreting Islam’s teachings to fit modern society and resisting negative foreign influences working against this. Now the rest of the Muslim world must wake up and replicate these examples in their own countries.

    Hence, the need for a Pan-Islamic revolution which will enable the Islamic countries to liberate their countries (as distinct from Religion) from Western Imperialism, and then work to modernize their religion.

    THIS is the way forward for Islam.


    User currently offlineLehpron From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 7028 posts, RR: 21
    Reply 22, posted (11 years 10 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 1013 times:

    "Oh please. Islam has been an abject failure as a religion promoting prosperity, free thought, democracy, emancipation of women, rule of law......otherwise Muslim countries would overwhelmingly be prosperous, free, democratic, etc.

    When 19% of the world's population can only produce 6% of its wealth.....there has to be a common thread.....that common thread is the failure of Islam.
    "

    Just because their perspective governing leaders choose to reinterpret their own religion to serve their purposes to the point where no one complains does not mean that the religion had anything to do with their actions. It's those who do so that need to be dealt with. The religion simply needs to be revived with new blood, i.e. new youth; the kind that has not been contaminated by society.

    Yyz717, the way you word it makes Islam sound like a failed political structure, like communism with reference to the former Soviet Union. How could Islam restore itself since it has failed in your view? What are the people supposed to do, find another religion that suites them?



    The meaning of life is curiosity; we were put on this planet to explore opportunities.
    User currently offlineJsmith From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
    Reply 23, posted (11 years 10 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 1010 times:

    Interpreting sharia law to fit modern society is not a new controversy in the Islamic world. This debate has been going on for decades, if not centuries. The theory of the gates of ijtihad closing, and whether they did close in the early middle ages is evidence of this.

    Adoption of mostly European Civil Law Codes in the 19th and 20th Centuries was a result of a perceived lack of adequate law to deal with European style commerce and trade. However, most if not all the laws introduced, were completely alien to Islam. Meshing European style codes with Islamic teachings has not been easy and continues to be the source of tension today in many 'islamic' countries.

    I think it is worthwhile to remember the historical development of the Islamic region, vast conquests of territory over a short period of time, the inclusion of many nationalities and adoption of local laws, the division of the Sunni and Shia sects, and the further subdivision into the different schools of thought. All this makes for a recipe of complications with no easy solution.

    History aside, people in the region are angry because they feel they do not have a voice, or that nobody is listening. Unfortunately, religion gets used as a front to mobilse discontent, which has had the effect of bringing out fundamentalists. Christianity is no different. Look at the situation in Ireland. Catholics and Protestants killing each other in the 21st century - not really about religion, but about power and control.




    User currently offlineTwaneedsnohelp From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
    Reply 24, posted (11 years 10 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 1005 times:

    Has Islam Failed Its People?

    It certainly hasn't awarded them.

    TNNH


    25 Docpepz : I'm sorry Yyz717 but i would hardly call Malaysia a third world country. Indonesia YES but definitely not Malaysia. "Malaysia, a middle income country
    26 Docpepz : Oh David B sorry but there's only one country in South East Asia that has a GDP per capita equal to that of Western Europe. That is Singapore. Brunei
    27 Dc863 : Saudi Wahabi schools are eerily reminiscent of the Hitler Youth schools in Nazi Germany during the 1930s. Both schools molded the children to be nothi
    28 Tbar220 : Once there is a separation of religion and state in Islamic countries, they will no longer be Islamic countries under the religious law, because Islam
    29 Lehpron : "Once there is a separation of religion and state in Islamic countries, they will no longer be Islamic countries under the religious law, because Isla
    30 WorldVoyager : Obviously, if you want to put it so black-and-white, it is the people who have failed Islam. That's what happens when people twist its message and pay
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