Heavymetal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (11 years 1 month 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 1424 times:
While I support wholeheartedly the University's very public mea culpa and taking responsibility for a very sleazy period in one of the premier college sports programs in America, I have to give Detroit Free Press columnist Mitch Albom 110 percent credit for the common sense points he makes today:
KAUSpilot From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 1958 posts, RR: 35 Reply 1, posted (11 years 1 month 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 1411 times:
I think they should pay college athletes anyway. They certainly don't have time to go to school, practice, AND hold a job, so why not give them a decent salary, seeing as they make a whole lot of money for the school they play for. At every college game I've been to, the stadiums are plastered to the brim with advertisments, and football games in particular are surely a huge revenue source for the major division I programs. I say pay the players a reasonable salary, maybe 200 bucks a week or something, just so they can have some spending money.
Illini_152 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1000 posts, RR: 2 Reply 4, posted (11 years 1 month 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 1384 times:
The problem with that is, the primary focus of any college is not to compete in collegiate sports, but to EDUCATE students. And lets not forget, many of these student atheletes recieve a free ride, school pays for tuition, room and board, ect. For many, that can be quite a pretty penny in and of itself.
And every dime you would spend for the student's salary's (I almost choked on that one) would have to come from somewhere. Hmm, let me guess. How about the rest of the student's? Just raise their tuition a bit, increase class sizes a little. I mean, it's not anything important, it's not like people are going there to LEARN or earn a degree or anything, they just want a place to watch amature sporting events.
Don't get me wrong. I love college football and basketball. I enjoy going to my school's games and rooting for my favorite teams. But a line has to be drawn somewhere, and that is where it is. (BTW, you want disgusting, you know who the highest paid public employee is in the State of Illinois? The head coach for our football team. Talk about misplaced prioraties. Meanwhile my friends are makeing $5.25/hr teaching people how to fly for this school, while their counterpart at McPuke's who can't even take an order properly gets paid a minimum of $7.50/hr, and never has to worry about saving their own and student's life... well that's my rant for today...)
Happy contrails - I support B747Skipper and Jetguy
Heavymetal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 5, posted (11 years 1 month 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 1378 times:
The article brought up a good point....if you're young & you're talented & you feel like you're gonna be "used" in college & you don't want to go to college basketball, don't. Pull a Kobe if you can and go right from high school to the NBA. But if you can't pull that off (and most can't), then your price for admission to an arena that's going to be your next natural step to the NBA is to play as an unpaid student athlete.
The real poison coming from these young black jocks is that somehow they feel a disconnect from and servitude too "suburban white elites". Hey, Coolio, just exactly who do you think is gonna be paying you your millions when your career starts? Get real....
One thing I'm willing to agree on is that hoofin it in regular classes for these guys might be tough. So get them tutors, at least during the season. Team-only classrooms or personal education people who can make sure they're at least getting the basics of what college is supposed to be about. And true enough they make enough for the school in most cases to justify such a perk.
KAUSpilot From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 1958 posts, RR: 35 Reply 6, posted (11 years 1 month 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 1375 times:
Well it's all about supply and demand, as unfair as that may be.....talented athletes are "in high demand" at most DI schools, whereas Joe blow white kid from the burbs who isn't particularly brilliant are athletic really isn't in demand at all. Furthermore, most major universities make millions off of student athletes; anyone know how much revenue a heisman trophy winning athlete brings to a university? Compare this to the amount the universities make off tuition for the average student and I think you'd see the disparity. Athletes should be rewarded for what they bring to the university in a monetary fashion, but only if the athletic program they participate in makes money. Football makes money for schools like Notre Dame, Michigan, Texas, Nebraska, basketball makes money for north Carolina, Kansas, villanova, and duke, but the swimming, rowing, wrestling, tennis, and all women's teams at these schools are more than likely just an expense (if they exist at all). In this scenario you reward the programs that bring in revenue in proportion to the profit they make. Yes the academic scholarships are valuable, but practically anyone can get a scholarship for school if they try hard enough.
I think this will eventually happen, and as long as the pay stays low and you still have to be a student in good academic standing to play ball, I don't think it will really degrade the game too much.
Heavymetal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 7, posted (11 years 1 month 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 1368 times:
Once again we agree to disagree. A Heisman trophy winner will be a multimillionaire before he's 22, and he'll be that rich because of the efforts allowed to him by collegiate sports. Call two, three or four years on a college gridiron or court "advance payment" for mindboggling amounts of future income. And as Illini pointed out, institutions of higher learning do not exist as mere lawn ornaments for their sports stadium.
If he's so good he doesn't need college great. Onward to glory. And if he's not good enough to cut it after college, oh well. Hope he made use of the education.
I'm surprised at you KAUS. I'm holding what I believe to be a very conservative point of view on this matter.
KAUSpilot From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 1958 posts, RR: 35 Reply 8, posted (11 years 1 month 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 1364 times:
I think both sides of this argument have legitimacy, but I also think the ongoing commercialism of the NCAA means that players will eventually get their piece of the pie. I can understand people who want to keep college players playing for pride, bragging rights, and love of the game (not money), and It's true that professional athletes are overpaid, but not all (actually very few) of the college players are going to become Professional superstars, if they play in the pros at all. To this end, I think it's fair to compensate the players at least as much as all the other kids would get working part time at Mickey D's.