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Is Ugliness An Impediment To Life?  
User currently offlineCerulean From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (11 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1504 times:

Since I am not a very good or eloquent writer, I'm going to take a gaggle of interrelated thoughts and coalesce them into one post here. I'm not going to get into too much depth. I'll present my thoughts at Face Value and you can dissect it from there. You all can read them and comment.

This entire message is ONLY MY OPINION

Anyway, today’s questions are:
Are attractive people better poised to be successful?
Is it still a “mans” world?
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You've all heard the old saying "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but ugly goes to the bone."

Are attractive people more likely to do better in school, at the workplace, and in public? Are they more likely to be treated "better"? Even though there are rules in society ranging everything from not speeding to workplace conduct, are they more likely to get shown some "slack"? Although we all have "equall opportuinity" as far as schooling and Life Choices, do "unattractive" people have to work harder to achieve the same results as an attractive person?

What about my second question? For all of the progress we've made in the last several decades regarding womens rights, is it still a "mans" world?

I don't say Mans world in the sense of men being the domineers that they once were (although this is probably still true in some places).

More and more today young beautiful women have figured out that the shortcut to success is to get close to an already successful man. Using her sex appeal (and every mans Achilles Heel-his appendage halfway on his torso), she can get anything she wants out of him from a condo on the beach...to new cars to gold and diamond jewelry to stacks of $100 bills to stardom as a singer or actress (ever heard of the "casting couch"?) This explains both Alimony and the ratio of female strip bars to male strip bars. Every man I've ever known-and I'm no exception-was always a sucker for a Big Chest, a tight posterior, and a tanned, sculpted female form. We would gladly do anything-be it open a door, let her in front of us at the Super Market check out line to buying gold jewelry if we thought it might increase our chance of "scoring" with that woman (it rarely did....but we still hoped).

I mean think about it.

Who do you see starring in movies and music videos?
Who do you see at the top of Top 40 charts?
Look at the advertisements in Popular Mechanics and the Sports sections...not to mention radio spots aimed for men...you've all heard the voice and seen the pictures and know exactly what I'm referring to.

What do they all have in common?

That's right. They're all "beautiful".

When was the last time you saw an ugly man or woman star in a "First Rate/Top 10" MTV or VH1 Video (not counting someone such as Mick Jagger who has been famous for over 40 years)?

What about successful "Fortune 500" women CEO's?

What do you notice they all have in common?


That's right. They're almost all, what we would call "fugly".

Why? Because they cannot get men to "take care of them". So they spend their weekends and spare time studying and having to claw and tear their way up the Corporate Ladder the Hard Way-namely working!

If a Hot Blonde with Huge Jugs plays her cards right, she can be Set For Life by the time she's about 35, or by the time her youthful atractiveness starts to fade-and never work a day in her life (or at least not hard enough to worry about making a mortgage payment).

A lot of people are inclined to brand these people as "whores" or "selling out" or what have you. For years, I heard the expression "Don't Hate Me For Being Beautiful".

I never understood the implications of what that expression meant. Now I do. Anyone that condemns a young woman as being a "gold digger" is usually the "ugly" woman (or man) mentioned above that is jealous of the 25 year old that owns her own house (fully paid for) and the Saleen Mustang (also paid for) while the other person is eating peanut butter for dinner.

I mean why not? If you can get it without stealing, why not?

All through society, since the beginning of time, Man has viewed Woman as someone to protect, provide for, and pursue for a sexual liasion. I believe that these basic instincts manifest themselves to this day in the ways mentioned above. For all of the talk of "equal rights", it is still the man that will be counted upon to change the 5 gallon water bottle at the office, or lift the heavy boxes, why a woman can show up to work wearing a thong, and no man will complain (imagine a man showing up in Speedos), and why women to this day still do not have to register for the Selective Service.

I've noticed that all of the men and women that protest the inequities between men and woman are usually the least attractive. Is there a connection?


Also, why is it that the short, ugly men seem to have the strongest sex drives? I see beautiful women coming and going from my building all the time. And I'll say that the short, fat, and ugly (or all of the above) men will be the most brazen in terms of leering and trying to "pick up" the beautiful woman every time.







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User currently offlineHepkat From Austria, joined Aug 2000, 2341 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (11 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1429 times:

I believe we are all born perfectly equipped and superbly outfitted for our roles in life. Some people are born poor, some people rich; some people are born left handed, some right handed; some people are born book smart, some street smart; some people are born handicapped, others not; some people are physically beautiful, some are ugly. No matter what our traits are, when you remove the human element of judgement and presupposition, the playing field becomes immediately levelled. We each have our individual crosses in life to bear, to which end we are each born into the most advantageous circumstances and with the most appropriate tools to affect the most positive change.

This is why its very important never to judge. No one has it easy, and everyone's simply trying to make the best with what they have. Obviously, the level of individual change we affect will never be the same, but as we used to say in Boy's Scouts - "only the best is good enough".


User currently offline747-451 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 2417 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (11 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1398 times:

All people are born with ability to learn etc, etc...

However, in this vain, shallow and self centered society, driven by celebrity worship and Madison Avenue, if you dont look like a refugee from Friends or Brittney/Justin etc, you are doomed no matter how intellegent you are...


User currently offlineCerulean From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (11 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1392 times:

Hepkat wrote:

No matter what our traits are, when you remove the human element of judgement and presupposition, the playing field becomes immediately levelled

Unfortunately, that's little more than a fantasy. No matter how modern or sophisticated we become as a society, the Weakest Link is the fact that ARE people and always have and always WILL continue to judge people by their covers.

To my knowledge, the school-age proverb of "don't judge by looks. It's what's inside that counts" has never been uttered by someone that didn't look like they kissed a bee hive. As long as we continue to have MTV, Victorias Secret, and Miss America, we will forever be a shallow, narcisstic society obsessed with looks. Everything else I described above will continue to follow in tow.


User currently offlineRabenschlag From Germany, joined Oct 2000, 1007 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (11 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1370 times:

as far as i know, there are scientific studies proving that

a) its not in the eye of the beholder. there are universal principles of beauty such as symmetry. there are objective differences in beauty.

b) these differences matter. if i remember correctly, beautiful people earn more money, have more satisfying and moe numerous relationships.

c) now a taboo no mother would admit. it starts early. beautiful children are loved more by their parents than ugly ducks. also, more care is taken for their intellectual and emotional development. adults smile more intensely at beautiful children.

thus, there is strong beautism inherent in life. my gues would be that beautism is as discriminating as sexism or racism. is this maybe a case for affirmative action?

cheers, r.


User currently offlineBarcode From Switzerland, joined Dec 2001, 678 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (11 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1369 times:

Well you know, I will not lie and say looks do not count - they do. Although I think it's extremely unrealistic to expect the average person on the street to look like a Hollywood superstar, even these famous people look surprisingly normal once the make up comes off.

Often though, it's not about looks ... it's about how someone looks AFTER themselves. I find it revolting when someone does not bathe often and has greasy hair/bad skin/yellow teeth/dirty nails - I mean, personal grooming goes a hell of a long way towards detracting from features that some self obsessed people consider ugly.

The funny thing (in my experience) it's always been paunchy, middle aged average looking guys who seem to think they can attract a model type. And these people are nothing special to look at themselves.

As for me, if someone has a healthy, positive attitude towards life then I'm going to find that more attractive than a model who has absolutely nothing interesting to say. I tend to go for quirky, interesting looking people anyway ... and not those who are considered conventionally attractive by societies standards.

I don't consider myself to be good looking ... but neither do I think I am hideous either ... like most people I could be in slightly better shape and lead a healthier lifestyle (read: no hard partying at weekends). However, if someone rich wants to put me up then I am open to offers ... ;-]


User currently offline747-451 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 2417 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (11 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1360 times:

) now a taboo no mother would admit. it starts early. beautiful children are loved more by their parents than ugly ducks. also, more care is taken for their intellectual and emotional development. adults smile more intensely at beautiful children

Then explain dumb blondes?


User currently offlineRabenschlag From Germany, joined Oct 2000, 1007 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (11 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1352 times:

1) i think there is little evidence that blondes are less intelligent than non-blondes

2) there are ugly blondes

3) however, a stereotype may survive although it is not true in first place





User currently offlineTwaneedsnohelp From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (11 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1323 times:

Study after study has shown that in all aspects of life people are attracted to attractive people - whether it involve, professional, eduational, social, or romantic relationships.

sucks for ugly people.

tnnh


User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (11 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1304 times:

If that were true, then where would our politicians be?

User currently offlineTwaneedsnohelp From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (11 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1300 times:

oh you mean like all the bald presidents we've had?  Big grin



User currently offlineMx5_boy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (11 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1286 times:

Barcode says:

"""Well you know, I will not lie and say looks do not count - they do. Although I think it's extremely unrealistic to expect the average person on the street to look like a Hollywood superstar, even these famous people look surprisingly normal once the make up comes off."""

Well sweety you've yet to meet me in person just yet, and I certainly don't wear makeup....

[insert mx5_boy busily doing a *Aqua* brand makeover of Barcode, hair bleached to within a micron of survival, tips huge jug of fake tan on her then dumps her in the side of the mx5 mobile for some Sydney cruising...]

[to be continued....]

mb

clown=vile


User currently offlineLHMark From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 7255 posts, RR: 46
Reply 12, posted (11 years 10 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 1255 times:

Attractiveness is, hands down, the most important trait. Intelligence, wit, analytical ability, artistic talent, creativity, physical prowess, all these are secondary to good looks in terms of how successful you'll be.

Granted, geography plays a role. Attractive people born in a more survival-oriented environment, like Afghanistan or Papua New Guinea, will find other skillsw more valuable, but for the western world, the maxim is this: Be pretty, and life is pretty easy.

Personally, I have to settle for "unconventionally handsome."



"Sympathy is something that shouldn't be bestowed on the Yankees. Apparently it angers them." - Bob Feller
User currently offlineSilverAngel From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (11 years 10 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 1253 times:

The funny thing (in my experience) it's always been paunchy, middle aged average looking guys who seem to think they can attract a model type. And these people are nothing special to look at themselves.

Oh my god is that the truth! One of my best friends is in that catagory except he is only 33, but the same principle applies. I should say that he is exceptionally intelligent and sometimes very funny, but that's about all he can offer. Whenever we go out, we split the bill to the penny, because for all that, he is underemployed and chronically broke. In fact often as not, I end up covering the check.
And yet he will tell me how he would only sleep with or date "very hot women". This from a guy that called Lara Flynn Boyle, Jodie Foster & Diane Lane "average". He ought to be old enough by now to admit that he should just take what he can get (starving men shouldn't hold out for caviar right?). Of course it could all just be posturing to make a certain angel jealous (I turned him down twice in High School, but we are friends at least).

Personally I am somewhat average looking myself and could stand to lose about 5 lbs (about 2.25kg for the euros here,  Smile ). For those of you who are familiar with the actress Mimi Rodgers, thats a good aproximation of yours truly. I don't know where that rates, but I have to admit that life has not been particularly hard, as long as I was willing to put in the hours, without a man to buy it all for me. Not saying it wouldn't have been nice,  Big grin, but it's easy enough even if you look average.


User currently offlineLHMark From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 7255 posts, RR: 46
Reply 14, posted (11 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 1245 times:

What a coincidence! I, too, look like Mimi Rodgers!


(sorry. Boring day at work)



"Sympathy is something that shouldn't be bestowed on the Yankees. Apparently it angers them." - Bob Feller
User currently offlineSilverAngel From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (11 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 1237 times:

lol, LH, just an approximation. I never thought that until the first, last, & only guy I was with told me that about eigt years ago.

User currently offlineLHMark From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 7255 posts, RR: 46
Reply 16, posted (11 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 1231 times:

I've been told I look like the guy who plays the Angel of Death on "Touched by an Angel." Never had a stomach strong enough to watch the show and see for myself.


"Sympathy is something that shouldn't be bestowed on the Yankees. Apparently it angers them." - Bob Feller
User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8267 posts, RR: 23
Reply 17, posted (11 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1207 times:

Personally I think a good personality is just as important as good looks. I've seen some rather unattractive guys (well, to me all are unattractive) walking around with some hot girls just because of their personality. But, yeah, if your ugly it's not going to help.


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User currently offlineDripstick From Canada, joined Dec 2001, 2364 posts, RR: 21
Reply 18, posted (11 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1197 times:

Is Ugliness An Impediment To Life?

Not so long as you have a purdy hat. Big thumbs up



Dripstick



What's another word for thesaurus?
User currently offlineBarcode From Switzerland, joined Dec 2001, 678 posts, RR: 11
Reply 19, posted (11 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1185 times:

SilverAngel: Your friend needs a reality check ... NOW. Who on earth can call Jodie Foster average? I think I would spontaneously combust if I ever found myself in the same room as her ....

Anyhoo, if you're ever passing through London and feel like taking an English chick out .... I happen to like Mimi Rodgers ;-]


User currently offlineMx5_boy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (11 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 1165 times:

Even I find Jodie Foster *hot*!!

lol

mb



User currently offlineSilverAngel From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (11 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 1145 times:

Barcode,

Feeling soooooo hit on here, lol. Wow, you know who Mimi rodgers is? I always thought she was relatively famous (I'd even excuse that awful sitcom she was on last year, lol), but I find myself explaining who that is everytime I tell anyone (it seems), that Addam (the only longterm male ex I have), used to call me that all the time. Sorry, just funny that's all.

As for Miss (we can hope right?), Jodie Foster there, I agree. Have you seen her in "Panic Room"? That's one of her best for looks (worst for acting, lol. terrible writing abounds there!). I still find Diane Lane a bit more classically elegant & refined, but no doubt I would thrill to be out with Foster for an evening.

In all actuality, I may very well be in London sometime during January of next year. Well, take care & have a nice day.


User currently offlineMx5_boy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (11 years 10 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 1125 times:

Barcode says:

"""The funny thing (in my experience) it's always been paunchy, middle aged average looking guys who seem to think they can attract a model type. And these people are nothing special to look at themselves."""

Umm, that is my model man Barcode!!! No competition in any way. My flatmate calls me the *Kostanza* magnet. [as in George Kostanza from Seinfeld TV programme] When I am far from looking like that.. I am missing something I see.

Silverangel says:

"""Feeling soooooo hit on here, lol. Wow, you know who Mimi rodgers is?"""

*yay* Barcode is hot, feel privelaged.

mb



User currently offlineSeb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 11649 posts, RR: 15
Reply 23, posted (11 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1124 times:

I don't see any ugly people on MTV. Michelle Branch, Justin Timberlake, Avril Levange, Eminem, Christina, Britney........ All of them look perfect. Even just walking through the mall. I dress as well as I can, brush my teeth, shave, shower, put on cologne, do my hair..... I smile, talk on the phone, laugh..... NO RESPONSE. When I went to a club last week, who was getting all the attention? The *NSYNC look-alikes. Who has the good jobs? Those with model looks. Yes, looks are everything.


Life in the wall is a drag.
User currently offlineLHMark From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 7255 posts, RR: 46
Reply 24, posted (11 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1108 times:

Watch VH-1 Classic instead. You may see an old "Meat Loaf" or "Queen" video.


"Sympathy is something that shouldn't be bestowed on the Yankees. Apparently it angers them." - Bob Feller
25 Mx5_boy : LHmark, LOL - Better still watch some of the twats from the 80's film clips *who* we all thought were hot and sexy. Times change I guess. Who would ha
26 Twaneedsnohelp : barcode is a lesbian? awesome.
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