Tbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7011 posts, RR: 27 Reply 2, posted (11 years 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1445 times:
Honestly, I don't believe it. The picture is obviously out of context. The authorities would have him in much tighter security, and people wouldn't be smiling and laughing with him. I don't know this source and it can be making this shit up just to rile people like you and me up.
Swissgabe From Switzerland, joined Jan 2000, 5266 posts, RR: 35 Reply 4, posted (11 years 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1428 times:
Weird if you look at this picture and the sitting one killed a lot of people just like that. But maybe all the police/government guy just laughed because they know that there is a camera or maybe someone made a joke.
I really don't hope that the sitting men is their friend and they are going with him for a cafe later ...
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Palmjet From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 1116 posts, RR: 17 Reply 12, posted (11 years 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 1224 times:
Yes - it would appear that the behaviour reported was offensive, but a letter to the SMH this morning made reference to something which I also thought may have been the case. In many Asian countries, to smile in this sort of situation indicates that the person is uncomfortable, feels awkward or embarrassed.
Perhaps not the best example, but when I lived in Taiwan, if someone slipped on the sidewalk, people around them would laugh - not because they wished the person ill-will - but because they were embarrassed for that person and did not know how to react.
KAUSpilot From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 1958 posts, RR: 35 Reply 13, posted (11 years 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 1222 times:
I find that rude and disrespectful. If that's the way they behave in their culture then I think their culture is rude and disrespectful. So be it. It should be a universal value that you shouldn't derive entertainment or pleasure from the misfortune of a fellow human being, needless to say the death of many fellow human beings.
Heavymetal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 18, posted (11 years 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 1136 times:
Some people should dial down the button marked "IM OFFENDED"
My primordial comment was directed toward the alleged bomber and those who sympathize with him, not the whole friggin population. And if you wish me to withdraw the opinion that mass slaughter and taking delight with it are anything other than the basest form of evil, sorry. I won't.
Delta-flyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 2676 posts, RR: 7 Reply 19, posted (11 years 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 1123 times:
Cwapilot Hmmmm....well, looks like some people need to calm down a little bit, and get a little balance...maybe learn about a culture and people before calling them "primordial".
I don't buy your argument either. This is no "nervous laughter", the picture shows a very relaxed, jovial group. I know (and have known) many Asians, and I can tell you this is not normal behavior by any stretch of the imagination.
I suppose next you'll tell us that killing innocent people is also a part of their culture? I suppose killing innocent westerners may be.
Aviatsiya From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 20, posted (11 years 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 1118 times:
"Those Indonesians are sick". Right, so all 230+ million Indonesians are sick because of a single photo in which you don't know what was happening at the time. This is like me saying that Yanks are all pyschotic murderers because one kid decides to open fire on his classmates. You cannot judge 230+ million people by the "actions" of a dozen people. You know, kinda how you can't judge all Saudi's for the acts committed by a dozen of their countrymen. But this is a theme the right wing nuts on this forum like to subscribe to.
KAUSpilot. Why is that rude? In "western" culture we use words like fuck, arsehole, and even cunt, in every day (just look at movies/tv/music for this, and yes, these mediums are indicative of the culture). Yet in Asian culture, language like this very very rarely used. And you say that they have a rude culture? C'mon. And I hardly think that the people in the photo were laughing at the deaths of nearly 200 people on their island. I would not be in the least bit surprised if there are people in that photo who knew someone who was killed.
People say a picture says a thousand words, but without knowing in what context that picture was taken those words may just be wrong.
But the "rude and sick Indonesian" bandwagon will be coming around again shortly, and I am sure some of you will be jumping on board.
Note to moderators: Certain words in my post were not used just to be crass, but to make a point/comment in response to KAUSpilot, and should be considered fair useage of that language. Plus, an Australian court has recently deemed that useage of such language is fine when used for that purpose
KAUSpilot From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 1958 posts, RR: 35 Reply 22, posted (11 years 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 1082 times:
Aviatsiya, I don't know where you live, but the words you describe are certainly not a part of the music I listen to, the movies I watch, or the way I talk to people. I'm sure any so called "police chief" or reporters who went around talking like you describe would be called upon to resign, as the people in this picture should be. You can try to turn this topic into anti-western rhetoric all you like, but it doesn't change the fact that this was a pathetic display.
Lehpron From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 7028 posts, RR: 22 Reply 23, posted (11 years 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 1080 times:
Yeah, let us all stay angry and sad all our lives because one moment in time destroyed our peace of mind. As of the idea of looking back and laughing at things, even if they have nothing to do with the matter at hand (hint hint), that's just revolting.
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KAUSpilot From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 1958 posts, RR: 35 Reply 24, posted (11 years 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 1073 times:
It's not surprising at all to see all the terrorist sympathizers on here condoning this event, I'm sure you were jubliant at their success in killing a few more evil westerners. Pretty sad, but it's just the ultimate manifestation of hatred and envy.
25 Aviatsiya: TNNH, I am far from being paranoid, but I am simply pointing out how much of a hyprocite you truly are. I quote "The Indonesians have real problems. W
26 Aviatsiya: KAUS, you have NO idea at all. Terrorist sympathiser? Yeah right. I nearly lost a friend in the Bali bombings, and you think I am sympathising with th
27 Yyz717: TNNH.....is there any country on this planet who's society is not in a state of disaster? Can you please explain to us exactly how Indonesian society
28 KAUSpilot: Oh please, then why are you pleased with the "good" treatment this guy is apparantly getting? If you want to see him punished and not treated with any
29 David B.: According to the CIA factbook, Indonesia is a Rebublic. http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/id.html#Govt
30 Ben: TNNH.....is there any country on this planet who's society is not in a state of disaster? Can you please explain to us exactly how Indonesian society
31 Ben: Hey that is a great profile, David B. Love the anonymous tip form!! hilarious!
32 Radarbeam: That photo's just sick, it shows a suspected murderer waving and happily smiling to the photographer, you can barely read on his lips " Hi, yeah it's
33 Delta-flyer: Corruption: Florida elections, Gray Davis (see e-gray.com), Enron, Merrill Lynch, Dubya's Texan oil buddies, Watergate, Whitewater..... You just faile
34 Aviatsiya: Yyz717, adding to the points that Ben made, particularly on East Timor, if it weren't for the "west", in particular Kissinger, then the Indonesians wo
35 Radarbeam: KAUSPilot, I am actually glad that the Indonesians are treating this suspect (remember, he is not yet guilty of any crime) in a civilised manner This
36 Yyz717: the treatment of East Timor by the "west" is even more disgraceful, because we all sat back and watched whilst the Indonesians slaughtered the East Ti
37 Docpepz: Article from The Jakarta Post, reproduced by The Sunday Times, Singapore's largest newspaper: http://straitstimes.asia1.com.sg/asia/story/0,4386,15535
38 KAUSpilot: Again aviatsiya, we see more anti-western rhetoric from you to justify poor behavior by the indonesians. I think you and I both know international dip
39 Aviatsiya: Well KAUS and Yyz717....the west did sit back and not only give the Indonesian the authority to invade East Timor, but the west also armed the Indones
40 KAUSpilot: So because Ford or Carter met with some brutal dictator 30 years ago it's OK to laugh when we die now? I guess we can't complain now when innocent tou
41 Docpepz: THe thing with Indonesia is that with over 200 million people.... and if you consider that maybe even 1% of them as extremist idiots you get 2 million