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Shoking Retaliation Of IDF...  
User currently offlineManni From South Korea, joined Nov 2001, 4221 posts, RR: 22
Posted (12 years 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 476 times:

The IDF invaded Jenin today in retaliation to yesterdays suicide bomber wich killed 13 people. The IDF blew up the house in wich, they believed, the terrorist had lived. The IDF also killed a nine (9!!!) year old boy, a western journalist who witnessed this got shot. The journalist, a British female, was not deadly hit, only wounded. The IDF also killed an Irish man from the United Nations mission in Jenin.


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User currently offlineTwaneedsnohelp From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (12 years 1 week ago) and read 446 times:

ok... lets dig for any scarcity of truth in your propagandist flamebait.

Manni's BS: - The IDF invaded Jenin today in retaliation

FACT: The IDF did not "invade Jenin". The IDF raided the home of a wanted Islamic Jihad terrorist in the Jenin refugee camp, Abdullah Wahsh. Why are United Nations administered refugee camps haboboring Islamic Jihad terrorist fugitives?

Manni's BS: - The IDF blew up the house in wich, they believed, the terrorist had lived.

FACT: Nope. There was no report anywhere that the IDF blew up any houses in the Jenin camp. The IDF raided the house of an Islamic Jihad fugitive hiding in a United Nations administed refugee camp outside Jenin.

Manni's BS: - The IDF also killed a nine (9!!!) year old boy

FACT: The IDF raided a the house of an Islamic Jihad fugitive during which a fierce gun battle broke out between terrorists and soldiers. A boy (some reports say 10, some say 11) was killed in the cross-fire. An investigation is underway to determine what happened.

Manni's BS: - , a western journalist who witnessed this got shot. The journalist, a British female, was not deadly hit, only wounded

FACT: The woman Caoimhe Butterly, 24, from Dublin, Ireland was indeed not British, she was Irish. Furthermore, she was not a "journalist" she was an active supporter, activist/member of the pro-Palestinian International Solidarity Movement who has been living in the camp for half a year. Butterly was quickly evacuated by the IDF to a hospital in Israel for medical treatment.

Manni's BS: - The IDF also killed an Irish man from the United Nations mission in Jenin.

FACT: Your confused again. Ian Hook (50 y/o), a British, not Irish, national was killed today in the Jenin refugee camp. The IDF has said it is unclear who killed Hook and the matter is under investigation. IDF troops raided the home of an Islamic Jihad wanted terrorist fugitive, Abdullah Wahsh, who was hiding out in a United Nations administered camp. A gunbattle ensued between terrorists and IDF soldiers and Hook was killed in the crossfire. The Palestinians, naturally, are prematurely fingering the Israelis. Hook was the first UN official to die during the last two years of Mideast fighting. At least 19 foreigners have been killed, including a Turkish man and a Swiss woman who were shot dead by Palestinian gunmen while serving as European monitors in Hebron. Why was an Islamic Jihad wanted terrorist fugitive, Abdullah Wahsh, hiding out in a United Nations administered camp??? The Islamic Jihad is listed as a terrorist organization by the EU and the USA.

TNNH


User currently offlineManni From South Korea, joined Nov 2001, 4221 posts, RR: 22
Reply 2, posted (12 years 1 week ago) and read 436 times:

TNNH,

You call this propagandist flamebait, I could care less. But what I wrote is what I have directly translated from our local news channel. This report was accompanied with documentation showing the house been blown up, the woman who claimed to be a journalist and who told the reporter that the IDF had clearly seen here , but they did not stop firing at here at all.

I write,

a nine (9!!!) year old boy

TNNH replies,

a boy (some reports say 10, some say 11)

Question: What a hell of a difference doe it make? Once again a young boy get murdered by the IDF. Oops I nearly forgot, ticketed for jaywalking offcourse  Yeah sure

I hear on the news...
An Irish man from the UN got killed

TNNH replies,
Not Irish, British...

TNNH could be correct, I could be wrong and vice versa. Sure is , I did not make this up but copied it from the news

Question: What a hell of a difference does it make? The man got killed!
Oops, ticketed for jaywalking offcourse.



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User currently offlineHeavymetal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (12 years 1 week ago) and read 426 times:

You're looking for...what? Sympathy? Shock? Outrage?

Nah. You're just looking to pitch a bitch.

When the world truly doesn't flinch at these stories anymore....Israeli busses full of teenagers and Palestinian 9 year olds.....maybe they'll quit. But then you'd have nothing to be outraged over, right?

I think you're just like the both of them....addicted to outrage.


User currently offlineManni From South Korea, joined Nov 2001, 4221 posts, RR: 22
Reply 4, posted (12 years 1 week ago) and read 425 times:

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&cid=514&ncid=514&e=3&u=/ap/20021122/ap_on_re_mi_ea/israel_palestinians_8122

I found an article about these incidents written in english.

Note that also here is written that TROOPS BLEW UP the house. The IDF REFUSED immidiate access for an ambulance to evacuate the UN official (his death could also have been a result of this, in Belgium this is a criminal offense!) According to this report the young boy that got shot by the IDF is 11 years old (but even this is the case, what difference does it make?)



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User currently offlineTwaneedsnohelp From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (12 years 1 week ago) and read 414 times:

Your facts are all wrong - there is no proof that the 9/10/11 year old was killed by the Israelis.

The IDF denies delaying the ambulance - on the contrary they say they were the ones who called for it.

Why are UN refugee camps being used as safe havens and hideouts for terrorist fugitives??  Confused

TNNH


User currently offlineManni From South Korea, joined Nov 2001, 4221 posts, RR: 22
Reply 6, posted (12 years 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 405 times:

FACTS? Where did i say these are facts? This comes hot from the news. No I wasn't there, I did not see this actually happen if it is that what you mean?

BTW, Heavymetal

I wonder if your post is adressed to me, because if it is... I've been accused of quiet a few things by some members here, but this is the funniest accusation so far... 'addicted to outrage' Thanks buddy, I always appriciate a good laugh.  Big grin



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User currently offlineAC320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (12 years 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 402 times:

They blew up the house because it was where that psycho who took out the bus lived, as the article states "A common Israeli measure meant to discourage suicide attacks and punish bombers' families." A smart move, they airm to make terrorism an personal loss for the bombers knowing that their actions will harm their families.

Ever wonder why the IDF shoots kids? Because they are "youngsters who were throwing stones and firebombs". When you attack an army, don't be suprised when they shoot you for it.

Your selective reading habits are not healthy, Manni.


User currently offlineManni From South Korea, joined Nov 2001, 4221 posts, RR: 22
Reply 8, posted (12 years 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 391 times:

What's happening?
Yesterday someone stated on this board that it is OK for Palestinian men to blow up their kids, as long as it is in their own country. Today I read that when a kid throws a stone he should be shot for that.



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User currently offlineHeavymetal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (12 years 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 389 times:

I guess to me "shocking"(your word) and "outrage"(mine) kinda are connected at the hip in this one.

In any case, if a story like this gets a good chuckle out of you, even in a roundabout way, then I guess I'm right. Cheers.


User currently offlineAC320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (12 years 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 388 times:

When you physically threaten an army, would you be surprised if they shoot back?

User currently offlineManni From South Korea, joined Nov 2001, 4221 posts, RR: 22
Reply 11, posted (12 years 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 383 times:

PHYSICALLY THREATHEN AN ARMY
An 11 year old throwing a stone AC320? Yes, I would be surprised if they shoot back, then again, not anymore I guess.



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User currently offlineAC320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (12 years 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 376 times:

Yes an 11 year old throwing a stone threatens physical harm to an unprotected soldier, notice how the article also mentioned "firebombs"

So now we have this simple equation: hostile crowd + weapons = legitimate target

Selective reading again


User currently offlineADG From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (12 years 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 365 times:

FACT: The IDF did not "invade Jenin".

Your playing with words ..

in·vade ( P ) Pronunciation Key (n-vd)
v. in·vad·ed, in·vad·ing, in·vades
v. tr.
To enter by force in order to conquer or pillage.


Pretty much describes what happened.

The IDF raided the home of a wanted Islamic Jihad terrorist in the Jenin refugee camp, Abdullah Wahsh.

Manni - 1, TNNH - 0

Why are United Nations administered refugee camps haboboring Islamic Jihad terrorist fugitives?

Because the refugee camp is full of people who need help. Unlike you, these people don't judge the whole because of the behaviour of the one. Additionally, this is an ALLEGED home of an ALLEGED terrorist. In light of the CONSTANT embarrasing errors made by the IDF, i'd like to see them err on the side of caution. Did they kill this terrorist?

FACT: Nope. There was no report anywhere that the IDF blew up any houses in the Jenin camp. The IDF raided the house of an Islamic Jihad fugitive hiding in a United Nations administed refugee camp outside Jenin.

The description "United Nations administered refugee camp" appears to be incorrect by the way TNNH.

As reported by the Australian Government Media Outlett

No, I see no report of blowing anything up, and we use the term "incursion".

in·cur·sion ( P ) Pronunciation Key (n-kûrzhn, -shn)
n.
An aggressive entrance into foreign territory; a raid or invasion.


Incursion as you can see means invasion.

Manni - 1, TNNH - 0

By the way, he could have been confused .. it was in Bethlehem that the IDF blew up a house .. so whilst he has the wrong house the action is correct ...

FACT: The IDF raided a the house of an Islamic Jihad fugitive during which a fierce gun battle broke out between terrorists and soldiers. A boy (some reports say 10, some say 11) was killed in the cross-fire. An investigation is underway to determine what happened.

Logic dictates that had the IDF not entered Jenin then the boy would still be alive. Additionally, our reports say 12 so i'm calling you innacurate here also (although given his rapid rise in age he'll have died of old age sometime during this afternoon)....

However the media are reporting that the child was throwing rocks at the IDF and the IDF threw bullets back, i'm pretty sure that counts as a point to Mannis side.

Manni - 2, TNNH - 0

(although it could be argued that had the suicide bombers not killed Isrealis the boy would be alive, but as i've never seen the pro-Israeli lobby put any deep thought into their comments i'll not go that extra step).

FACT: The woman Caoimhe Butterly, 24, from Dublin, Ireland was indeed not British, she was Irish.

Now you're playing with semantics, it's entirely possible that the news reports Manni was hearing said British, i'm giving him the point because of your pettiness.

Manni - 3, TNNH - 0

Furthermore, she was not a "journalist" she was an active supporter, activist/member of the pro-Palestinian International Solidarity Movement who has been living in the camp for half a year. Butterly was quickly evacuated by the IDF to a hospital in Israel for medical treatment.

Can't confirm or deny this as the incident has been largely ignored by the Australian media and the one site I found it on didn't go into that much detail.

Manni 3, TNNH - 0

FACT: Your confused again. Ian Hook (50 y/o), a British, not Irish, national was killed today in the Jenin refugee camp.

Childish play on words ... taking a point from you ... By the way, CNN describe him as a "British National" ...

Manni - 3, TNNH - -1

The IDF has said it is unclear who killed Hook and the matter is under investigation.

The media says the bullets used are the type the IDF use ... and an investigation by the IDF is bound to be tainted (as tainted as an investigation by the Palestinians). The IDF have a history of indiscriminate shooting

Manni - 4, TNNH - -1

The Palestinians, naturally, are prematurely fingering the Israelis.

and the IDF are naturally, fingering the Palestinians.....

Hook was the first UN official to die during the last two years of Mideast fighting.

But not the first foreigner to be caught in the fighting. Indeed there are documented instances of the IDF targetting foreigners and media for no valid reasons.

The Islamic Jihad is listed as a terrorist organization by the EU and the USA.

And it's reasonable for the IDF to go after terrorists, however as usual they've managed to catch everyone else in the crossfire as they attempt to revenge yet another attack on Israeli civilians, irregardless of whether the citizens are in Israel or elsewhere when attacked. Personally I think if the Israelis are in Palestine and they're killed well bully for them. The 2 "states" are at war, if these people don't stay in their own state they get what they deserve. If they're in Israel then it's a totally different story.

Regardless, it's nothing more than a circle of violence that is starting to bore the rest of the world. The world (less the United States) have lost patience with the behaviour of Israel and Israel is damn lucky that OBL has the world focussed elsewhere.

Manni - 4, TNNH - -1

 Laugh out loud


VH-ADG


User currently offlineGalaxy5 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2034 posts, RR: 24
Reply 14, posted (12 years 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 352 times:

Hey MANNI care to provwe your point?

: Manni
Posted 2002-11-22 21:24:30
PHYSICALLY THREATHEN AN ARMY
An 11 year old throwing a stone AC320? Yes, I would be surprised if they shoot back, then again, not anymore I guess.

Come here to my base were im at, pick up a rock and throw it at the base guards, and see if they dont shoot you?




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User currently offlineGalaxy5 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2034 posts, RR: 24
Reply 15, posted (12 years 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 348 times:

: ADG
Posted 2002-11-22 21:55:44
"Personally I think if the Israelis are in Palestine and they're killed well bully for them."
"Why are United Nations administered refugee camps haboboring Islamic Jihad terrorist fugitives?

Because the refugee camp is full of people who need help. Unlike you, these people don't judge the whole because of the behaviour of the one. Additionally, this is an ALLEGED home of an ALLEGED terrorist. In light of the CONSTANT embarrasing errors made by the IDF, i'd like to see them err on the side of caution. Did they kill this terrorist?"

again ADG you condone the killing of israeli's and defend terrorist actions, how surprising.  Nuts



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