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User currently offlineCwapilot From United States of America, joined May 2000, 1166 posts, RR: 17
Posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1452 times:

http://www.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/africa/11/22/nigeria.missworld/index.html

After being one of the ones who went along with the whole "not all Muslims are this way; don't judge all by the few" thing, I am through. Time after time, week after week, month after month, year after year...century after century, we all witness the brutality and ignorance this "religion" spawns.

Fighting evil does not involve burning people alive or creating orphans by stoning mothers to death. It involves doing good to counteract evil. Two wrongs don't make a right...burning someone alive does not glorify God...nor does blowing oneself up to advance someone's political ambitions or plowing a plane into a building full of thousands of innocent people. I thought we learned this during the more barbaric times of the Christian world during the Middle Ages....


Southside Irish...our two teams are the White Sox and whoever plays the Cubs!
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User currently offlineN79969 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1416 times:

I disagree. Every now and then a European soccer match results in a riotor stampede or both. We cannot really characterize soccer (even though I don't like it), Europeans, or whatever as much of anything. I believe in the 5% rule. 5% of any population or group is a waste of space.

User currently offlineCwapilot From United States of America, joined May 2000, 1166 posts, RR: 17
Reply 2, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1409 times:

This is but one example of hundreds that happen every year throughout the world in the name of Islam. I don't see soccer hooligans deciding to suddenly round up and kill all the Muslims...as they decide to round up all the Christians. If it is only 5%, it is an awfully large 5%. The other 95% seem to celebrate in the streets when these things happen, and none speak out against it....



Southside Irish...our two teams are the White Sox and whoever plays the Cubs!
User currently offlineAC320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1407 times:

Still, one would think that seeing "a crowd stab a young man, force a petrol-filled tyre around his neck and burn him alive." goes a bit beyond a riot or stampede. The people who perpetrated these horrendous acts are nothing animals that bear an unfortunate resemblance to humans.

User currently offlineAC320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1398 times:

Since some people like to take things out of context I mean the people who are directly causing or supporting the loss of life, not all Muslims.

User currently offlineN79969 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1395 times:

I think that the Muslim world is where Germany was in the 1930s and 40s. The whole lot of them are controlled by trash. The Nazi-regime was the result of trash getting elected and then preventing elections. We all know what happened next. But I would not judge Germany by WWII.

User currently offlineLehpron From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 7028 posts, RR: 21
Reply 6, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1392 times:

Well.

If anyone doesn't think that those that perpetrated these attacks were nothing more than CONSERVATIVE extremists, here ya go:

"Schools and shops hurriedly closed as hordes of young men, shouting "Allahu Akhbar," or "God is great," ignited makeshift street barricades made of tires and garbage, sending plumes of black smoke rising above the city. Others were heard chanting, "Down with beauty" and "Miss World is sin."

Only a highly reglious person would regard things on the order of 'sin'.



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User currently offlineScorpio From Belgium, joined Oct 2001, 5032 posts, RR: 44
Reply 7, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1391 times:

I must take issue with the title of this thread. This is most certainly NOT Islam. It is yet another sad example of a peaceful religion being taken hostage by a number of people for their own agenda. This is a cultural issue and not one of religion.

User currently offlineN79969 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 1385 times:

I would have all-capped "extremist" instead of "conservative." Stalin and Mao brutally murdered a lot of people and they were not conservatives.

User currently offlineCwapilot From United States of America, joined May 2000, 1166 posts, RR: 17
Reply 9, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 1381 times:

These are average people reacting to what their local preacher tells them...not a group of extremists trained to incite violence. Again...why does it happen so much, attached to one religion....where are the so called "moderates" when these things happen...why do they sympathize with these people?...

Let's riot and kill people because some women are in bikinis and evening gowns, because the imam says it is against Islam.....brilliant




Southside Irish...our two teams are the White Sox and whoever plays the Cubs!
User currently offlineHeavymetal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 1379 times:

Puh-lease

Does the poster have an inkling of Christian history? What's the difference between tires and stakes? They both burn.

Is Islam going through it's "Dark Ages"....well, being close to 800 years younger than Christianity, I'd say the math was almost right.....


User currently offlineCwapilot From United States of America, joined May 2000, 1166 posts, RR: 17
Reply 11, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 1365 times:

Wow, Heavymetal....in your feeble attempt to be a smart ass...actually, you do a pretty good job of it...you restate my point for the sarcastic of the world to understand. The difference is, although it may be going through its "Dark Ages" period, are we to excuse it? Allowing billions of people throughout the world to be brutally persecuted so that we can be politically correct is stupid at best. The fact is, the religion is used throughout the world as a tool of opression for some really sick f*cks, just as Christianity was during the Dark Ages, and just as it is in some forms of Christian fundamentalism, just to a much more extreme degree. Go to a Muslim country, ask for the same tolerance and consideration you are offering Muslims, and see what you get....



Southside Irish...our two teams are the White Sox and whoever plays the Cubs!
User currently offlineMandala499 From Indonesia, joined Aug 2001, 6898 posts, RR: 76
Reply 12, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 1347 times:

This is funny... Kaduna has been known to have had religious clashes in the past. Why on Earth did the Miss World organizers put it there in the middle of Ramadhan in a Muslim area of Nigeria? They were asking for trouble rightly or wrongly. A HUGE risk management failure there! Why don't we have a Hanukkah party in the middle of Gaza city too !

By the way, the clashes today are because of a local newspaper publishing the headlines "Maybe Prophet Muhammad would take one of these beauty queens as his wife"... Not because of the pageantry itself taking place.

What's not funny is the clashes...

"These are average people reacting to what their local preacher tells them...not a group of extremists trained to incite violence. Again...why does it happen so much, attached to one religion....where are the so called "moderates" when these things happen...why do they sympathize with these people?..."

Most of these people join the violence because they need to vent their anger at something. You would be amazed at what you can get a prolonged unemployed desperate hopeless person do! All it takes is a few people to incite them and they'll join in.

This is not limited to Muslims. In Indonesia, Christian communities subjected to adverse poverty and hopelessness have been turned into marauding thugs burning mosques before.

Where are the moderates ? Moderates are mainly silent and quiet... that's why its very hard to get them to go out as a force. But the news aren't interested in the moderates much.... because it's boring...

In developing countries, when you get unemployed, poor and desperate, you would turn to faith... and go to church/mosque/whatever else... In developed countries, when you get unemployed, poor and desperate, you either go to your social services offices or you go to street kitchens/charitable organisations.

I hope this shows why in poorer countries you get these "silly" "religious" riots going on.

Mandala499



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User currently offlineArsenal@LHR From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 7792 posts, RR: 20
Reply 13, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 1307 times:
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Yep, just kill all those bad muslims so the rest of the world can live happily ever after.

Carry on with your anti-islam rhetoric.  Yeah sure



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User currently offlineStaffan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1303 times:

If I was a muslim, and my fellow muslims were committing acts of terror in the name of Islam, I would clearly take distance from it and do my best to keep peoples views about Islam on the good side. I think it's sad that we see very little of this today.

Staffan


User currently offlineBruce From United States of America, joined May 1999, 5057 posts, RR: 15
Reply 15, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1297 times:

I'd question the intelligence of scheduling a MISS WORLD pageant in a strict-Muslim country. Duh! Who has brains? Don't they know that women have no rights under Islam; they have to be totally covered and beauty is a big no-no.

Geez.....You'd think they'd pick a better place that would at least tolerate what they are putting on display.

Imagine if they had the Victoria's Secret Fashion Show over there?????!!!!!!


bruce



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User currently offlineJcs17 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 8065 posts, RR: 39
Reply 16, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1292 times:

If I was a muslim, and my fellow muslims were committing acts of terror in the name of Islam, I would clearly take distance from it and do my best to keep peoples views about Islam on the good side.

If I was a Muslim, I'd be taking a long, hard look at what my religion teaches.



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User currently offlineDasa From East Timor, joined Aug 2001, 760 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1261 times:

If I was a [insert religion here], I'd be taking a long, hard look at what my religion teaches.

It applies for any religion (including Christianity), not just Islam.
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User currently offlineMarco From United Arab Emirates, joined Jul 2000, 4169 posts, RR: 12
Reply 18, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 1258 times:

It applies for any religion (including Christianity), not just Islam.

Dasa, put aside your personal grudge against Christianity and address the issues at hand. No one is comparing Islam. We're discussing the contents of the Islamic faith.

And from what I remember you're background is Hindu. How would you like it if someone constantly attacked your beliefs?

Respect others Dasa.



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User currently offlineDavid B. From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3148 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 1252 times:

Your attack Islam. So what is wrong if someone attacks your faith? It goes both ways.


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User currently offlineDasa From East Timor, joined Aug 2001, 760 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 1251 times:

I am respecting others, I just answered to Jcs' comment that Islam teaches hate, which is clearly untrue. I presume Jcs is Christian, thus the referral to Christianity to show him how it could apply to his own religion. I don't bear a personal grudge against Christianity, I actually went to a Catholic primary school. I meant no offense to Christians or Christianity, whichever branch of it you may believe in.

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User currently offlineMarco From United Arab Emirates, joined Jul 2000, 4169 posts, RR: 12
Reply 21, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 1251 times:

Your attack Islam. So what is wrong if someone attacks your faith? It goes both ways

This thread isn't about comparing other religions to Islam. And I've seen Dasa's posts before. He needs to learn some respect.




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User currently offlineMarco From United Arab Emirates, joined Jul 2000, 4169 posts, RR: 12
Reply 22, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 1249 times:

I am respecting others,

Would you like me to pull up that post (about a year ago) where you made some disgusting comments about Christianity?

I just answered to Jcs' comment that Islam teaches hate, which is clearly untrue.

Yet you can't say the same thing for Christianity, which you always accuse of being an intolerant faith.

I presume Jcs is Christian,

Don't presume. That's ignorant.

thus the referral to Christianity to show him how it could apply to his own
religion.


Just like it can apply to Hinduism too.

I don't bear a personal grudge against Christianity, I actually went to a Catholic primary school. I meant no offense to Christians or Christianity, whichever branch of it you may believe in.

Fine if you didn't then thats acceptable. Otherwise you seem to take a very antagonistic approach to Christianity. It shouldn't be like that, you have nothing to be afraid of!




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User currently offlineJcs17 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 8065 posts, RR: 39
Reply 23, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 1248 times:

Dasa, you are correct to a certain extent, I am a Christian (Roman Catholic), although I do not practice my faith. I have several issues with the church, its teachings, and its beliefs. If I was actually a practicing Catholic, and a fellow Catholic had perpetrated the 9.11 attacks, and other members of my religion made hateful and destructive statements, I would definitly be taking a step back and reevaluate my religion. You can call me hateful all you want, but I go by facts, and the facts are stacked against the Muslim religion in this case.


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User currently offlineDavid B. From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3148 posts, RR: 5
Reply 24, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 1246 times:

Don't presume. That's ignorant.

Too bad some people like to make presumtions about Islam.

I don't have a religion. I see that as a good thing.



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25 Marco : Too bad some people like to make presumtions about Islam. You're presuming I do. I have enough knowledge about Islam. I don't have a religion. I see t
26 Tu154m : All of this just proves that religion is for those who cannot think for themselves and has become a crutch for the feeble minded to lean on. I think t
27 FSPilot747 : There marco goes again. Do you ever stop? Why do you always cry when someone brings up christianity? It's ludicrous, really. FSP
28 Twaneedsnohelp : I don't really blame the Nigerian Muslims - they are abused, poor, uneducated, uncultured - they don't know any better. I'm far more concerned with th
29 Marco : I'm not crying. Why do you always cry when someone brings up Islam? hmmmmmmmmmmmmm...
30 L-188 : I would like to point out the passage in the Koran where it says to put burning tires around the heads of Nigerian Christians.
31 Alpha 1 : Is Islam going through it's "Dark Ages"....well, being close to 800 years younger than Christianity, I'd say the math was almost right..... One ominou
32 Post contains links Arsenal@LHR : Unless those within the Muslim world who really believe that what is happening to their faith is evil and not what The Prophet intended What you sugge
33 Scorpio : Arsenal, Slow down, don't jump to conclusions. I don't think Alpha 1 suggested any such thing, just that some of the extremist Muslims (the ones suppo
34 Sayem55 : Tu154m If any person wrote Koran 100,000 years before Prophet Mohammad (s.a.w) how came things written in Koran coming true.
35 FSPilot747 : Marco, unlike you, I don't cry when people bring up Islam for comparison. With you it's ALWAYS the same, and it's so annoying: "What does Christianity
36 Mandala499 : Bruce, Don't write that women do not have rights under Islam... they do... some countries however, chose to deny them those rights. Look at the footag
37 Hepkat : Actually Mandala499, when and where the pageant takes place is irrelevant. This has to do with a lack of tolerance towards those who do not share thei
38 FDXmech : >>>All of this just proves that religion is for those who cannot think for themselves and has become a crutch for the feeble minded to lean on.
39 Twaneedsnohelp : no has begun to approach my point, so I'll restate: I don't really blame the Nigerian Muslims - they are abused, poor, uneducated, uncultured - they d
40 Post contains images Tbar220 : TNNH, There is none, and don't expect any. Scorpio, I also don't like the title of this thread, its a harsh accusation to make that these people are r
41 Mandala499 : Hepkat, It does matter where and when. It shows lack of understanding of the local culture and religion. Let's go and throw a Miss Universe pageant du
42 Twaneedsnohelp : if the islamic hierarchy in Cairo and Damascus, and Saudi Arabia appealed for calm from their rampaging Nigerian Muslim brothers - your telling me the
43 Marco : Tbar, I'm not getting upset...but since you brought it up...are you getting upset? I enjoy debates. Even with people like FSP.
44 Derico : I'm going to say it like I see it, short and sweet. I have noticed that in many (not all, but m-a-n-y) of the current religious/ethnic problems around
45 Tbar220 : Marco, I'm not getting upset...but since you brought it up...are you getting upset? LOL, I don't even know what to say. But I absolutely love how you
46 Jwenting : If I was a muslim, and my fellow muslims were committing acts of terror in the name of Islam, I would clearly take distance from it and do my best to
47 Post contains images Mandala499 : There's a passage in the Quran that said something along the lines of... "Beware yee believers of those who claim they are believers but are themselve
48 Andreas : Most Islamic countries nowadays are rather poor (no, not Brunei and UAE, I know!!), and it is common knowledge, though some here on this Forum said a
49 Jcs17 : I must take issue with the title of this thread. This is most certainly NOT Islam. It is yet another sad example of a peaceful religion being taken h
50 Marco : that are undescribable and ON A LEVEL WITH SEPT. 11, 2001, except they didn't have the weaponry to kill so many people in one strike. This statement g
51 Andreas : ...definitely not my point. I was trying to point out that massacres like sept 11th, 2001 have been committed over and over again, regardless of the r
52 Marco : Andreas I agree with you on some points. However, that was what I thought you meant.
53 Scorpio : Tell us what Islam is then... I mean, it makes you sound nice and friendly to say that Islam is a religion of "peace". Well, it IS a religion that pre
54 Marco : Well, it IS a religion that preaches peace. Weren't you the one who said that you haven't even read the Koran? How exactly do you know if its peaceful
55 Marco : In rich countris this would simply not happen Bin Laden's family is one of the richest families in Saudi Arabia, as are many of his supporters in the
56 Post contains links Ronen : Stoning to Death in Iran The images in this video are NOT EASY TO WATCH (bottom of the page)(I have not watched it - you decide) http://www.iran-e-aza
57 Andreas : if you are able to make out anything in these blury pictures, but what are you trying to prove? Do you think that a video showing the execution of som
58 Aviatsiya : Stoning to Death in Iran What was his crime? Saying "that piece of halibut was good enough for Jehovah"?
59 Ronen : I completely agree any death sentence is totally barbaric even if it is in the u.s .
60 Marco : Wow, so in defense of Islam people are now saying stoning someone to death is just as barbaric as putting someone to death by a lethal injection. Incr
61 KHI747 : Relax Marco......i dont know what are you trying to accomplish but take it easy man!
62 Marco : I'm not trying to accomplish anything KHI747 and I am relaxed. What amazes me is people who make up all sorts of excuses for Islamic fundamentalism, n
63 Asbg : I completely agree any death sentence is totally barbaric even if it is in the u.s What if the death sentence took place in Israel? Adolph Eichmann w
64 Andreas : you do not want to accomplish anything, you don't want to understand, you don't even want to think, but you do have a problem with Islam, that much is
65 Post contains links ONT 737 : While we are talking about the death penalty. Well, the "peaceful" and "tolerant" Muslims in power in Nigeria have issued a "fatwa" on the reporter wh
66 Asbg : Wasn't there another case of death sentencing in Nigeria this year? If I recall correctly a woman was sentenced to death by stoning for giving birth o
67 Post contains images Marco : you do not want to accomplish anything, you don't want to understand, you don't even want to think, I do understand and I do want to accomplish someth
68 Herman : First and foremost Islam is not going through its dark age as mentioned by someone. However Muslims and Islam is going through a period of operresion.
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