Ndebele From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 2905 posts, RR: 20
Reply 2, posted (13 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2760 times:
Well, I am German, sorry for posting anyway... When I bought my car, I didn't know whether to buy an Opel Corsa or a Ford Fiesta. Nationally conscious as I am, I decided to buy the Opel Corsa.
Later I found out that my Corsa was built in Zaragoza (Spain) - Ford Fiesta are built in Cologne (Germany)...
Delta-flyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 2678 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (13 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2723 times:
I've always had American cars, even though not all were built in the USA. My last 2 Dodge Caravans were built in Canada, the engine of a former Pontiac Sunbird (1984) was made in Brazil. All my cars have been quite reliable, although the 1986 Buick Park Avenue had transmission trouble at 80,000 miles and the 96 Caravan had transmission trouble at 110,000.
I had the opportunity to drive an Opel Zafira last year that I rented in Hungary -- it was virtually brand new -- 1500 km on the odo -- I was quite impressed with how well it drove, but unfortunately it was way underpowered.
My father would never buy a German car because of the holocaust. I learned to drive on a 58 Chevy, 3-on-the-tree.
Kric777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2002, 286 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (13 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2715 times:
I'll would never lay out 20-30 Gs based on nationalist sentiment, but would certainly like to buy an American car if and when US carmakers start building more cars in my price range that I like. The problem is that I prefer small cars, and with the exception of the Ford Focus, US manufacturers can't do small cars. The Neon and Cavalier are pure crap. The Europeans don't send any small cars here except for the Jetta/Golf, which are good but a bit pricey, so I guess it'll be Japanese cars for a while for me.
FlyBoeing From United States of America, joined May 2000, 866 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (13 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2714 times:
I don't like people who are reflexively nationalist against American cars. It seems like they have a sort of elitism against driving Fords or Cadillacs which are just as good as Japanese cars and German cars in their classes.
I try to look at American brands first and then go to other dealerships. That's a fair and evenhanded way of buying cars.
EGGD From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 12443 posts, RR: 31
Reply 7, posted (13 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2705 times:
I'm am American and nationality means a lot to me when it comes to cars. I've never bought an American car and I serverely doubt I ever will.
I'm british, well... anyway, I am not inclined to buy british products, or cars for that matter. I'll chose whatever suits my needs the best, good acceleration, nice esthetic curves, not ugly, ewtc etc etc. Good fuel economy, lowish tax, etc etc.
My father would never buy a German car because of the holocaust.
Capt.Picard From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (13 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2705 times:
I'm not a nationalist at all, I regard myself as human, and that's the end of the story.
So, I bought a Volkswagen Passat diesel, and it's very good indeed. They say VW is German, but these days, it could be half-American, half-Uzbeki...who knows and who cares, but I do know that VWs are reliable and reasonably priced, so the choice was simple.
DesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7879 posts, RR: 14
Reply 10, posted (13 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2683 times:
In this global world today trying to say that one car is American or Japanese or German is a difficult thing. For example is a Chrysler an American or a German car... afterall Chrysler is owned by a German company, it may be assembled in Canada or Mexico, the engine might be made in Detriot, the electronics sourced from Japan, tires from France, steel from the US... the list goes on and on.
One of the ironies of the mid-90s... not sure if it is true today. The Mazda 626 was considered a domestic because more than 75% of its content was US sources... finally assembly took place in Flat Rock, Michigan. The Ford Crown Victoria and Mercury Grand Marquis... imports... less than 75% of their content was US sourced and assembled somewhere in Ontario.
Stop drop and roll will not save you in hell. --- seen on a church marque in rural Virginia
N312RC From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 2684 posts, RR: 15
Reply 11, posted (13 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2682 times:
My parents have had American cars always, except for two.
A few years ago my dad leased an Acura 3.0CL, he was so impressed with it that when my mom's lease on her 99 Buick Regal was up, we leased an Acura 3.2TL.
My father and mother have this thing against Volkswagens. The whole slave labor/started by Hitler thing just doesnt sit well with them so I doubt we'll ever get a VW.
Over the Years theyve had:
86 Pontiac Parisienne
92 Buick Regal
93 Buick Regal
93 Buick Skylark
94 Buick Park Avenue
95 Chrysler New Yorker (horrible reliability)
95 Dodge Intrepid (horrible reliability)
96 Buick Park Avenue
97 Buick Park Avenue
98 Mercury Sable
98 Ford Taurus LX
99 Buick Regal
00 Acura 3.0CL
01 Ford Taurus
02 Acura 3.2TL
01 Ford Explorer Sport
As you can see, its been American cars right down the line, except for two (which are both Hondas and have simply fantastic reliaibility). I think the reason that we've driven so many American cars is because we're from the Motor City (Detroit) and more than one family member has worked for all three of the Auto companies in some capacity (from stamping plant to Vice President).
747-451 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 2417 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (13 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2673 times:
There is no such thing as a nationalist car anymore-Mercedes ML is made in alabama USA, BMW's can be from South Carolina USA, VW in Mexico and the list goes on. Even if you think you are buying a domestic here is an example: Engine made in Brazil, Transmission made in Japan, Electrical's from Germany, Japan and Mexico, Body stampings from Atlanta Gerogia and assembed in Canada. So much for a "domestic Car"....
Alessandro From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (13 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2666 times:
Definitly not, both SAAB and Volvo are US owned, built by parts from GM and
Ford and too pricy. I drive a old Citroën and my mum a Suzuki Baleno 4wd
(the cheapest 4wd in Sweden), never liked US cars, to fuel consuming and
conservative for my taste....
N312RC From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 2684 posts, RR: 15
Reply 14, posted (13 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 2659 times:
Certain parts of my Explorer Sport's engine were manufactured in Cologne, Germany by Ford of Europe... How can I tell? theres a sticker right on the part that says where its made...
I guess a "nationalist" car could be defined not by where the car is assembled or where the parts come from, but by where the money goes in the end. You may buy a VW Jetta made in Mexico, but the money you paid for it goes to Wolfsburg.
LOT767-300ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (13 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2618 times:
The resident forum US Car maniac anti-import user (filller) ME will now tackle some statements.
OK OK I would never ever ever ever EVER ever EVER buy an import that is less than a BMW 7 (older) or a MB 500, 600 or therewise.
I would NEVER buy anything asian. PERIOD.
Cars we had in US.
*Denotes still have it.
1989 Oldsmobile Cutlass Sierra--Dont remember much but the 3rd front seat was cool!
1992 Chrysler LeBaron--So so, not a bad car.
1994 Ford Aerostar XLT--Average, transmission problems
1997 Ford Aerostar Eddie Bauer*--140,000 MILES and still going no problems.
1997 Ford Thunderbird LX*--A solid V8.
1996 Chevy Impala SS* <----Rice eater. My car 5.7L V8 LT1
2002 GMC Yukon Denali XL*--Solid SUV, tows nicely and does its job such as haul firewood, furniture and anything else... plus it has 5 PTVs LOL
2002 Lincoln LS*--Nice car, though eats gas like crazy, even for american car
2002 GM Powered Freedom RV*--Pimp Bus...Great stuff though.
"I said no Germans because Germans build VW, Audi, BMW, MB, so, I don't think it's possible not to ne nationalist in that case!!!!!!!!! "
Or is it?
"Nationally conscious as I am, I decided to buy the Opel Corsa.
Later I found out that my Corsa was built in Zaragoza (Spain) - Ford Fiesta are built in Cologne (Germany)..."
The cash is in Detroit not in Germany LOL in BOTH cases.
"I was quite impressed with how well it drove, but unfortunately it was way underpowered. "
"The problem is that I prefer small cars, and with the exception of the Ford Focus, US manufacturers can't do small cars."
They dont because its not practical to make 100 diffrent kinds of geo metro class cars. Of course with exceptions with subsidary companies in Europe and Asia.
"I try to look at American brands first and then go to other dealerships. That's a fair and evenhanded way of buying cars."
Your a good citizen...what can I say?
"but I do know that VWs are reliable and reasonably priced,"
And I lay 5 golden eggs each morning after breakfast.
"I had a German car given to me and it was a nice freebie. I eventually got rid of it and bought a real car,...an American car. "
I know you are 100% sane.. Always have been with cars.
"Yep, buy the Ford (made in Mexico or Canada) over th Toyota or Nissan (made in the US)."
Ok thats a pretty dumb statement. Cars now are made everywhere and parts are made in diffrent places. Not all Toyotas and Nissans are built in the US and not all Fords in Mexico and Canada.....it all comes down to where they money goes..
Dragogoalie From Australia, joined Oct 2001, 1220 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (13 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2594 times:
Here's my take on cars:
European Cars: Luxurious, fast, and expensive
American Cars: Cheap in quality (except for gas), slow, and cheap
Asian (read Toyota, Honda/Acura, and Hyundai): The happy medium of both luxury, and price. A lot of them get some pretty good gas mileage.
I am a big fan of Japanese cars...they know exactly how to make a nice car that is affordable, and doesn't fall asleep. They also look really nice and aerodynamic. American cars are boxy, drink lots of gas, and are just slow. Example...my car in Japan is a 91 Toyota Supra. It has a 2.5L in-line 5. My friend here in ND has a Mercury Sable...yeah, I know, not exactly a sports car...but for a 3.8L 6cyl engine, you think it would have a little kick to it...it doesn't. Its slow in accelerating, and the speedometer only goes up to 85...granted my car does have twin turbo, but it could smoke the hell out of his. (don't tell him this though...He thinks his car is cool). European cars are great, they have awesome technology. I've spent a long time looking at ban's website looking at the kind of technology they have, but they're just too expensive..And for good reason.
The two Nissan cars have been great, since Nissan is now owned by Renault. We just got the Prairie only 1 and a half weeks ago and it has proven its worth as a versatile MPV(been hauling loads of stuff with it)
If the price is cheap and it fulfills our requirement, we go for it! But no American cars for us, they guzzle fuel like crazy and have big engine displacements. But despite that, I've seen 2003 Dodge Grand Caravan LEs driving around Singapore.
Skystar From Australia, joined Jan 2000, 1363 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (13 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2581 times:
Volvo being built from Ford parts?
Rubbish, utter rubbish. Whatever Ford content there is, is extremely insignificant.
Engines - Volvo
Suspension - Volvo
Safety - Volvo
Audio - Volvo (with Alpine & Mitsubishi)
Floorpans - Volvo (except the 40 Series, which is shared with Mitsubishi).
Where's the Ford componentry?
The only Volvo to have significant Ford influence will be the upcoming S40/V50, which will share the same floorpan as the next Ford Focus - hardly a bad thing, as Ford's resources allow Volvo to explore technologies which it couldn't explore alone. There'll still be all the traditional Volvo values such as safety and quality.
People really shouldn't talk rubbish - please check your facts first!
I'm not particularly nationalist with cars, but I'd acknowledge that Australian cars are amongst the best value in the world. Our family cars are very spacious, with modern technology, well equipped, durable, and well priced.
In spite of that, I'd rather be in a Volvo or a Peugeot. They're a thinking person's car, and that's fine by me.
Jimbobjoe From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 674 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (13 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2573 times:
N312RC: I guess a "nationalist" car could be defined not by where the car is assembled or where the parts come from, but by where the money goes in the end. You may buy a VW Jetta made in Mexico, but the money you paid for it goes to Wolfsburg
I've heard this concept before, and I've put more thought into it, but I'm not entirely sure it makes all that much sense.
For instance, your Ohio built Honda Accord has no less than 75% of its parts with American origin, indeed, I think the current Accord hits 90%. Consider that a good percentage of the vehicle was also designed here in the United States, and so let's say that, 92% of the costs associated with building a Honda Accord have US origination. The other costs are from Japan...so the vast majority of the money spent buying a new Accord stays here in the United States...except for less than 10% to cover Japan origination costs, and then the profit of the vehicle goes to Japan. Therefore, it's a pretty piddling amount of money that actually goes to Japan, even if it's the actual profit of the vehicle. On the other hand, once these profits go to Japan...in whose pockets do they end up in? Probably Japanese investors...however, your GM and Ford has quite a lot of foreign investors, who make profit even if the cars were manufactured stateside.
DaimlerChrylser is a German company, and has more German investors than US ones.
: Actually, Germany is a rather peculiar car market, maybe the most nationalistic in the whole, but it is changing, especíally since the reunification
: I find it funny while everyone else thinks they have the best supermini in Europe, Honda sells the Honda Jazz, which has gotten a huge amount of plaud
: I am all about Japanese cars. Because like someone above said, the domestic (US) carmakers dont make many cars that I can afford and want, namely econ
: I'm not nationalistic when it comes to buying a car, what it all boils down to is what can I afford. Here's a breakdown of all the cars I have owned:
: "I was quite impressed with how well it drove, but unfortunately it was way underpowered. " DUH Perhaps a clarifiation is in order ..... The steering
: "I was quite impressed with how well it drove, but unfortunately it was way underpowered. " DUH Perhaps a clarification is in order ..... The steering
: We currently have a 2001 Olds Bravada (Will be eventually replaced with a Infiniti QX4, or something close to that) 1998 Volvo S90 We'll be keeping th
: We have owned the following since we moved to America about 10 years ago: 1990ish Honda Civic LX Sedan - Can't remember the details but since we got a
: My parents have driven Volvos since 1978, and have really enjoyed the cars themselves, but not so much the cost of maintaining them. They currently dr
: Some of us have some car ISSUES on here. "Example...my car in Japan is a 91 Toyota Supra. It has a 2.5L in-line 5. My friend here in ND has a Mercury
: Jimbojoe, I dont entirely agree with your take on things. During the automotive "dark ages" (late seventies/early eighties), Ford of Europe basically
: IL96M-BH346 told me that i was being too mean. He says just because i dont like something i dont have to put it down...im sorry. No hard feelings... T
: LOT767-300ER: I can see your point. But there is a flaw in this theory. Why do car manufacturers built cars other than in their home country? PROFIT.
: being nationalistic would mean: * there is a car that optimally fits my needs, but it's built overseas. * i do not by the optimal, but the secondbest
: Rabenschlag, humans have a history of being extremely irrational, nothing new, as I'm sure you already know.
: What are the tariffs on imported cars in the USA and other countries? In Australia, they're at 15%. Malaysia has 300% on some cars. Cheers, Justin
: LOT, why is it every time someone disagrees with you, you end up having to bash them? I don't agree with you on your automotive preferences, but I don
: "LOT, why is it every time someone disagrees with you, you end up having to bash them? I don't agree with you on your automotive preferences, but I do
: Skystar:What are the tariffs on imported cars in the USA The United States does not have a tariff on imported motor vehicles. I believe that there has
: Skystar, the thing that makes odd cars expensive in the US is the crash testing and remodifications.
: Alessandro .... that's correct, restrictions on car imports have to do with safety requirements. Many people argue (mistakenly, in my opinion) that th