Saintsman From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2002, 2065 posts, RR: 2 Posted (11 years 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 1074 times:
I heard this story on the radio this morning.
Apparently some places are banning Father Christmas in case it offends some ethnic minorities.
What is the world comming to? Is it really so bad that it causes offence? I doubt it very much. If it did cause offence then this is one case where the ethnics should return to their place of origin so that they don't have to worry about it.
Actually a better solution would be to send the a**eholes who champion this political correctness there.
Jwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 20 Reply 2, posted (11 years 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1061 times:
The British police is likely going to remove the cross from their insignia because it is supposedly offensive to Muslims.
There is a group in the Netherlands who want to ban out national anthem for being racist (it mentions being of 'Dutch blood').
There is a group wanting to ban the Dutch flag because it has a white area which is supposedly discriminatory towards non-whites.
There are every year people wanting to ban our traditional StNicholas festivities. The saint in our tradition has black servants (who are always very cheery so obviously treated well ) which they consider discrimination and stereotyping of minorities.
Muslim girls are allowed to cover their heads in sports class where non-muslim girls are not (because the headdress might get caught in things which could be dangerous).
For years many government agencies here would hire only minorities UNLESS there were no minority applicants for the position. If there were minority applicants they would be hired over ethnic Dutch people even if they didn't meet the requirements for the job.
There appears to be a system in justice where white people are punished more severely for the same crime. Last year in the same court 2 murderers were sentenced, one white and one black. The white man got 7 years in prison, the black man got 2 years for an almost identical crime.
Unemployment agencies will take race and sex into account when offering people training courses for reschooling. non-whites and females get preferential treatment (even over white males who have been unemployed for a far longer time).
Here we call it 'positive discrimination', which is an obvious falsehood to anyone with any common sense.
What the people involved don't see (or don't want to see) is that this creates strong sentiments or resentment towards the groups they're trying to help.
Andreas From Germany, joined Oct 2001, 6104 posts, RR: 33 Reply 3, posted (11 years 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 1051 times:
This sounds pretty crazy. I had a good laugh about your examples Jwenting. I visit Holland pretty often, if only Venlo or Nimwegen (for obvious reasons *ggggg*), but except when it comes to football, Dutch people do make a pretty reasonable impression on me.
But indeed, the whole thing is rather ridiculous and sad, when you think about it. I do have no problem with muslim girls and women wearing headdress, it's according to their religion, it seems to be no offense to non-muslims (which is seen somewhat differently in South Germany where a muslim teacher was banned from civil service because she wore headdress!! I always wonder if these people do have no other problems to solve in life...*sigh*)...
but on the other hand, no people immigrating into a country do have the right to change daily life there just because they don't like it..it's them who chose to go there so they have to accept the way life is there. Funny enough, most immigrants don't even want to change daily life, instead those ever-present preachers of political correctness come up and try to tell us what to do and what not (And I wonder again if these people do have no other problems to solve in life...*sigh*).
Unfortunately applying common sense seems to be the only thing that is unpopular among most people nowadays..well, what can you do...
G-KIRAN From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2000, 736 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (11 years 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 1042 times:
Why cant we tell all those ethnic minorites who think that everything from the Union Jack,the cross on the bobbies hat to Santa Claus to f*ck off so that other ethnic minorites and the rest of us can enjoy British culture.Whats next?The Queen and the word British?
EGGD From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 12443 posts, RR: 37 Reply 5, posted (11 years 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1039 times:
This is sickening, whilst I lived in Holland I respected every law and every part of 'being dutch', i recognized that I wasn't truly Dutch like everyone else, and I was effectively a burdon for some people (not speaking Dutch, so shopkeepers etc had to speak english to me in their own country), etc. I have no idea why these ethnic minorities would go about trying to change laws or traditions in countries that they do not originate in, its just Arrogant. No wonder the UK government doesn't want to allow all these asylum seekers across the border. Although usually its not them that cause the trouble in the first place
Prebennorholm From Denmark, joined Mar 2000, 6125 posts, RR: 55 Reply 7, posted (11 years 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 995 times:
Dear friends, it can change to the better, if you want to change it.
You probably heard about it from the press, that here in Denmark we have been able to turn around the developments. The PC word hardly exists in the Danish language any more since everybody starts laughing when it is heard.
There is of course nothing wrong with the two words "political" and "correctness". But for some strange reason some strange groups of people managed to transform the meaning of the combination of the two words into "cultural destruction".
Finally, after 25 years, it has become "legal" to divide immigrants into their two groups:
- refugees who shall have all the help they need as long as they need it
- economic immigrants.
Those politicians, who cannot distinguish those two groups, can be expelled from power. We have proved that.
It is all up to you, the voters for the parliament. But is may need some positive action from you. When did you last time call your parliamentary representative on the phone?
Regards, Preben Norholm
Always keep your number of landings equal to your number of take-offs, Preben Norholm
GD727 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 925 posts, RR: 11 Reply 8, posted (11 years 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 989 times:
I agree! I have been seeing the holiday season becoming more and more politically correct over the years and it sickens me. Why do people get so damn bent out of shape over Christians worshoping God? I mean if I saw a public display of Arabs worshiping Allah, I wouldn't care. They have a right to worship whoever they want publically, but so do us Christians!
Andreas From Germany, joined Oct 2001, 6104 posts, RR: 33 Reply 9, posted (11 years 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 938 times:
most of the cases I hear, it's NOT the people whose "rights" are to be protected but instead some publicity-wanting "over-intellectual" do-gooders, who think they know all the answers to the problems of the world...
Believe me, I come from the city of Berlin, with a very high percentage of people from other countries living there...lots of problems, no doubt, but never ever have I heard from my friends among these foreigners any bull-sh.t complaints such as the one about St. Claus or girls wearing headdress.
One of my best friends is Egyptian who owns a restaurant in Kreuzberg, has always laughed about what some local politicians or other so-called do-gooders told him what they wanted to do for him in order to make life better and easier for him in the cold and foreign Berlin (He's been living in Berlin for more than 25 years, university degree in economics, German girlfriend and loves to drive English cars, well, yes that last one is a bit strange, really).
The first time he complained to the police and the mayor of Kreuzberg, was last year, after some sicko had thrown a molotov cocktail on the boardwalk in front of his restaurant after September 11th, well no damage done except a few kids scared to death, but I guess, that is a reason to complain... and that has nothing to do with pc.
Jwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 20 Reply 10, posted (11 years 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 932 times:
I have nothing against foreigners. But they should follow our laws and customs (or at least respect those customs) and not demand we change to follow theirs.
Earlier this year a Sikh family went to court (and won) over the right of their son to wear the ceremonial Sikh knife in school. This weapon falls is prohibited by law (because of its size) as well as school regulations at that school (which prohibit all weapons regardless of size because of past violent incidents).
Last week a mullah was aqcuitted of charges put against him for insulting and discriminatory language. He had called (in open speeches and writing) homosexuals a plague on society that should be destroyed.
Had a non-muslim said that he'd have gotten a large fine and possible jailtime.
This mullah was let go because his statement was in line with freedom of religion...
We wish foreigners who decide (and are allowed) to live in our countries for extended periods (or permanently) to integrate into our socieities. That is written in all manner of official publications.
Then why do we treat them differently allowing them to maintain customs that are illegal and unacceptable in that society and remain to be so for people from other cultural and religious background?
Such is counterproductive in 2 ways.
One, it prevents these people from integrating (there is no need so why take the effort) and
Two, it makes for natives to get a very negative feeling and image about foreigners because they get all kinds of breaks that natives don't get.
We want foreigners to learn our language, yet all government publications they might come into contact with are provided in their own language to them.
Currently all or most forms and brochures put out by our government and departments are available in Dutch, English, Arab, Turkish, and a variety of other languages. There are also government sponsored TV and radio channels in those languages.
This does nothing to promote these people from integrating either.
Mandala499 From Indonesia, joined Aug 2001, 6400 posts, RR: 74 Reply 11, posted (11 years 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 922 times:
Political Correctness = sweeping problems under the carpet...
If I live in a foreign country (which I have), I follow the rules of the land on which I stand. Why the hell do these people go to live in a foreign country and expect to still follow rules of their own heritage?
In Indonesia, such laws did exist with regard to ethnic chinese and europeans of Dutch descent... in the end, it just became a mess... and the government rightly made everyone follow by the same rule...
I speak English and lived in Australia and expect to be able to speak English... instead, being an Asian, there have been many cases where I've been shunted between talking to caucasian employees who think because I am Asian, I should be talking to their Asian employees... to being shunted back to the caucasian employee because I speak English and not Vietnamese or Chinese... (interestingly, the Asian employee's english was worse than my driver back in Indonesia)... 3 hours later, the bank manager asked me why I decided to leave in frustration ! it's CRAZY ! No wonder why people like Pauline Hanson exist in Australia... frankly speaking, I don't blame her!
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