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User currently offlineNational_757 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (13 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2148 times:

Today is the 61st anniversary of the attack on Pearl Harbor. Let us always remember the brave solders who lost their lives fighting for their country on this tragic day.

We'll never forget!

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User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (13 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2130 times:

The day that was the beginning of the end of the Axis in World War II. It was day that should have been passed down in American history more than it currently is.

And remember, THIS is the event that culminated with the American bombs being dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. It was a war that Japan started, but could not finish.

May there never be another Pearl Harbor again. History tells us my wish will probably not come true, sadly.

User currently offlineArsenal@LHR From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 7792 posts, RR: 18
Reply 2, posted (13 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2118 times:
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Another Pearl Harbour could trigger a nuclear war.

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User currently offlineUAL1837 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (13 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2114 times:

Reading this post gave me the chills...I went to visit the USS Arizona this past summer.

My generation's Pearl Harbor, which obviousy was September 11, will be rememebered forever as the "Attack on America." Pearl Harbor was the same exact thing, the only difference is that it happened way out in Hawaii, in the middle of the Pacific Ocean, and not in the middle of New York City.

No matter where each happened, they were both horrible attacks on our great nation. Pearl Harbor was actually worse, cause over 3,000 people died, compared to around 2,700 for 9/11. It should be given the same attention as September 11 has gotten. I will be sickened if 61 years from now, people forget 9/11.


User currently offlineArrow From Canada, joined Jun 2002, 2676 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (13 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2113 times:

Remember Pearl Harbour by all means, and don't ever forget the sacrifices made by American soldiers and sailors on that day. Same applies to 9/11.

But also don't forget that by Dec. 7, 1941, World War Two was already more than two years old, and thousands of Brits, Australians, Kiwis, Canadians, Frenchmen, Russians and many other nationalities had already paid the ultimate price -- not to mention the tens of thousands of civilians.

Never let the facts get in the way of a good story.
User currently offlineATCT From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2593 posts, RR: 34
Reply 5, posted (13 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2095 times:

that right, we shoudl remember our vets and Pearl Harbor. My own grandfather (now departed) and many other relatives served in WW2 and we should remember them after they are gone. I am too appalled that my math teacher, when asked what December 7th meant, she went "Saturday?" Anywho, to all veterans of WW2 (Brits, Canucks, Russians, Chinese, Aussies, NZ'ers, Singaporean's, Indian's, American's, French, Italian, and Underground Party's) thank you for your service, may gos bless you for long to come.


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User currently offlineB757300 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 4114 posts, RR: 20
Reply 6, posted (13 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2094 times:

Anyone who goes around questioning Hiroshima should remember that it was Japan who, without a declaration of war, attacked the American fleet on a Sunday morning. WWII for the United States was started by Japan on December 7th, 1941. The United States brought it to an end in August, 1945.

"There is no victory at bargain basement prices."
User currently offlineAviatsiya From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (13 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2085 times:

How many of you know that Pearl Harbour was caused as a result of actions by none other than Pan American World Airways in the Pacific?

User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 30408 posts, RR: 57
Reply 8, posted (13 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2086 times:

Ok. Aviatsiya...

Please go ahead and explain how Juan Trippe got the US into WWII.

I was under the distinct impression that it was because the US was against Japans expansionist goals in the South Pacific to support a resource deficient chain of home islands.

The fact that they where a practical military state at that point, with a militaristic state sponsored religion (Shinto) didn't help matters either.

User currently offlineNational_757 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (13 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2082 times:

Don't ruin my thread Aviatsiya by posting blatant flamebait. This is a remembrance thread of the 3,000 men and women that died this tragic day 61 years ago.

User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 30408 posts, RR: 57
Reply 10, posted (13 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2081 times:

Oh by the way, please keep in mind that many US Merchant Marines had allready been killed running supplies to Great Britian. Also there where Americans that where also serving in the RAF at that time and quite a number where up in Canada training for RAF service. They mostly went back to the US and joined up with the various US services.

This was all in the two years prior to Pearl.

User currently offlineB757300 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 4114 posts, RR: 20
Reply 11, posted (13 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2084 times:

I'd suggest deletion on Aviatsiya's thread but we all know that all but one of the mods love that kind of dribble. Classic attempt by an America hater to drag a thread into the sewer.

"There is no victory at bargain basement prices."
User currently offlineAviatsiya From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (13 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2067 times:


It wasn't flamebait, but a question.


I don't have the book handy at the moment (it is in a box somewhere in my shed and will try to dig it out later). But the book is a historical piece on British Commonwealth Pacific Airways, and it went into the subject of the Americans and British nearly coming to blows over the possession of Canton Island. Pan Am, with the full military support of America, set up a base on the otherwise sparse atoll. This was done to support Pan Am flights throughout the South Pacific. But from: http://www.pacificwrecks.com/provinces/kiribati_canton.html

Canton Island is the largest and most northern of the Phoenix Group. The island is an atoll, made up of a low, narrow rim of land surrounding a large shallow lagoon. It is 4.1/2 miles wide on the west, from which it narrows to the southeast point, which is nine miles distant from the northwest point. Americans and British occupied the island in two seporate camps. On March 3, 1938 President Franklin D. Roosevelt placed Canton and Enderbury under jurisdiction of the Department of the Interior. In April 1939, when Canton and Enderbury were placed under joint British and American control for fifty years, and "thereafter until such time as it may be modified or terminated by mutual consent". During 1938 and 1939 Pan American Airways laid out and developed an extensive airport, deepened and cleared the lagoon, and initiated flights to New Zealand using Canton as one of the ports of call

Of course, that isn't the full history of Canton Island, but the Americans later set up naval facilities on Canton, and with those facilities could send their ships to other parts of the Pacific. Of course the Japanese were basically pissed with all of this, and decided to take out the port which supplied Canton and other Pacific islands, that being Pearl Harbour.

But it is my understanding that it was Canton Island which was the "straw that broke the camels back". If Trippe never did set up that base on Canton Island, then history probably would have been very very different than what was experienced during the 1940s.

Anyway, I will make every attempt to find this book and paraphrase what was written in it for you here.

User currently offlineNWA742 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (13 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2060 times:

I will also suggest deletion of Aviatsiyas flamebait.

I think all the mods would agree that it is a 100% pure flamebait, except one, and that one seems to support the anti-American posts made by these individuals who have no goddamn clue as to what they are talking about.

We all know who that one is.

As for the topic itself,

I hung out my flag this morning and thought about Pearl Harbor, remembering those who lost their lives.

That was a day that will live in infamy forever, as with 9/11.



User currently offlineAviatsiya From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (13 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2049 times:

Note to the mods:

Please do delete my "flatant flamebait". It seems that some people only remember history and don't want to discuss facts surrounding history. It also seems that some people think those facts are anti-American, which I am at a loss to understand, because facts are facts. They aren't anti-this or anti-that. I never knew this fact about Pan Am and the Japanese thoughts on the Pan Am base on Canton Island. It wasn't something which we were taught in history at school (and I am sure it is something which was also wasn't taught in the schools of people accusing me of flamebait). It wasn't until I read the book, and did some research afterwards, that I became fully aware of these facts. In future I will be sure to post only "Me too" in response to all threads; god help us all if we can get some interesting discussion on these forums, which are not written in a anti-this or anti-what way.

To all other forum members

I sincerely apologise for my attempt to bring some simple discussion of history into these forums. You will not see me do such a thing again in future  Insane

User currently offline9V-SVE From Singapore, joined Nov 2001, 2066 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (13 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2045 times:

"December 7, 1941...a day that will live in infamy....the United States of America was at peace with the Empire of Japan...............................the United States of America...on all naval and army forces, will declare war on the Empire of Japan." -Franklin Delano Roosevelt.  Sad

PS. I'm not sure if i got the speech correct...

User currently offlineB757300 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 4114 posts, RR: 20
Reply 16, posted (13 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2043 times:

Real close. Here is the full speech if you'd like to read it. Following the speech, the United States officially declares war on Japan. We didn’t declare war on Germany until after Germany declared war on us shortly afterwards.

"Yesterday, December 7, 1941 - a date which will live in infamy - the United States of America was suddenly and deliberately attacked by naval and air forces of the Empire of Japan.

The United States was at peace with that nation and, at the solicitation of Japan, was still in conversation with its Government and its Emperor looking toward the maintenance of peace in the Pacific. Indeed, one hour after Japanese air squadrons had commenced bombing in Oahu, the Japanese Ambassador to the United States and his colleague delivered to the Secretary of State a formal reply to a recent American message. While this reply stated that it seemed useless to continue the existing diplomatic negotiations, it contained no threat or hint of war or armed attack.

It will be recorded that the distance of Hawaii from Japan makes it obvious that the attack was deliberately planned many days or even weeks ago. During the intervening time the Japanese Government has deliberately sought to deceive the United States by false statements and expressions of hope for continued peace.

The attack yesterday on the Hawaiian Islands has caused severe damage to American naval and military forces. Very many American lives have been lost. In addition American ships have been reported torpedoed on the high seas between San Francisco and Honolulu.

Yesterday the Japanese Government also launched an attack against Malaya. Last night Japanese forces attacked Hong Kong. Last night Japanese forces attacked Guam. Last night Japanese forces attacked the Philippine Islands. Last night the Japanese attacked Wake Island. This morning the Japanese attacked Midway Island.

Japan has, therefore, undertaken a surprise offensive extending throughout the Pacific area. The facts of yesterday speak for themselves. The people of the United States have already formed their opinions and well understand the implications to the very life and safety of our nation.

As Commander-in-Chief of the Army and Navy, I have directed that all measures be taken for our defense.

Always will we remember the character of the onslaught against us. No matter how long it may take us to overcome this premeditated invasion, the American people in their righteous might will win through to absolute victory.

I believe I interpret the will of the Congress and of the people when I assert that we will not only defend ourselves to the uttermost but will make very certain that this form of treachery shall never endanger us again.

Hostilities exist. There is no blinking at the fact that our people, our territory and our interests are in grave danger.

With confidence in our armed forces - with the unbounded determination of our people - we will gain the inevitable triumph - so help us God.

I ask that the Congress declare that since the unprovoked and dastardly attack by Japan on Sunday, December seventh, a state of war has existed between the United States and the Japanese Empire."

"There is no victory at bargain basement prices."
User currently offlineBO__einG From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 2771 posts, RR: 16
Reply 17, posted (13 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2032 times:

I am a Canadian who is fasinated by the Pearl Harbor Events.
I am glad that nothing like this has happened here in Canada.
Canada's "Pearl Harbour" would be the June 6,1944 DDAY landings on the beaches of Normandy, I belive Juneau beach was the Canadian one where thousands were slaughtered by Hitler's Atlantic Wall Forces in a matter of hours.
Rememberance day is the day to honor fellow Canadians and other brave soldiers of the world Including Americans who died in times of conflict.

Regarding with PHarbor, to my understanding at that time US intel got word that Japanese forces were on the move to Hawaii. They then tried to send a message to Hawaii warning them but by the time Hawaii got it, it was about an hour past after the Japanese Invaded.

Also is it true that the First American Casualties were not from the Attacks on the ships, but pilots of a B17 that were doing delivery flights to PH during that day? Japanese shot them down obviously a few miles off Ohau.

These documentarys about the Dec 7 events are always compelling and head shaking when I watch it. The fireball of the Arizona for one is just unbelivable as 1102 died with the ship from one bomb dropped by a Zero.

Are there other ship memorials at Pearl Harbor other than the Famous Arizona?

By the way, on spaceimaging website there is a sat picture of Pharbor today.
The Arizona memorial is clearly seen as well as some other big navy ship sitting behind it. BB63? The modern fleets are sitting aross the island Ford.
Anyone interested in a 1280x1024 resolution of this can contact me via email.

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User currently offlineKLAX From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (13 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2031 times:

ROFL. So Pearl Harbor is the result of Pan American World Airways using some dinky little atoll in the middle of the Pacific Ocean to fly to NZ.
I learn great stuff everyday...  Insane


User currently offlineADG From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (13 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2021 times:

It is inappropriate to hijack a thread such as this for political gain. To the Americans this is a day of remembrance for those lost at Pearl Harbour. If you can't respect the users above (and their sometimes silly statements), can you at least respect the war dead?

In Australia on ANZAC day we stand at the Cenetaphs at 5am in the morning and we honour our war dead ..

They shall not grow old, as we are left to grow old.
Age shall not weary them, not the years condemn.
At the going down of the sun and in the morning.
We will remember them.

I offer this poem for those who gave their lives in Pearl Harbour on 7th December 61 years ago.

They are American heros, please don't dishonour them during this thread, we expect respect of others during our times of remembrance, the least we can do is offer the same in return.


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 30408 posts, RR: 57
Reply 20, posted (13 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2018 times:

Aviatsya, I don't really want to comment on that since I haven't read the book but.....

Pan Am had many bases on various islands and the US military had many bases in the Pacific too, Including Wake Island another Pan Am base and the major presence in the Philippines. And Britain also had her colonies in China and Malaysia and the French her colonies in Vietnam. All of which Japan had to move out of the way to expand her industrial base.

To say at face value that this island was the reason behind the war really does strike me as being somewhat oversimplified and bordering on revisionist history.

User currently offlineKLAX From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (13 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2001 times:

I was actually about to start a thread about this last night. I offer my respect and rememberance to all that lost their lives that day.


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 30408 posts, RR: 57
Reply 22, posted (13 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1996 times:

You know the more I think of it, I know who is to blame for that day.

The English!

If they hadn't bombed Toranto, Italy, the Japanese would never had thought an attack in a shallow water with torpedos would have been possible.

User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (13 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 1978 times:

ADG, that's a beautiful little poem. I think it sums up the young men who died that morning very well. Well done.

Avitsiya, a little history lesson for you: in late 1940, I believe, the United States cut off supplies of oil and other potential war materials to Japan after they invaded French Indo-China, which helped supply Japan's war machine, which had already invaded China and Korea.

The United States protested the invasion of what we know now as Southeast Asia, and threatened further action to curb Japan's desire to expand it's empire. Japan felt that the only way to protect their fledgling empire was to destroy the only entity that stood in the way of that goal-the American Pacific Fleet at Pearl Harbor. Their reasoning was if they could destroy the fleet-most notably the American aircraft carriers, the battleships, all their drydocks and fuel supplies, the Americans would quickly have to sue for peace, and Japan's new empire would be a fait accompli.

It had nothing to do with some little Atoll that Pan Am wanted to fly to. You say you wanted facts-well, the facts are what I just laid out, and are backed by 60 years of history and study. You dishonor the deaths of those at Pearl Harbor-indeed, all Americans and Allied soldiers, sailors, airmen and marines, who died in the 3 and 1/2 years of fighting in the Pacific by saying such a shamless thing.

User currently offlineB757300 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 4114 posts, RR: 20
Reply 24, posted (13 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 1978 times:

Japan sealed it fate when it attacked Pearl Harbor. While it was a brilliant tactical victory, it was a strategic disaster. Any chance of a negotiated settlement went out the window. The war in the Pacific became war to the death.
Yamamoto knew that Japan had a very small window of opportunity after Pearl Harbor. He predicted 6 months. Almost 7 months later, the Japanese fleet suffers a disaster it cannot recover from, the lose of four aircraft carriers at Midway. Japan could not hope to win a war of attrition against the United States. Their only hope was to cripple the American fleet so badly that they would have time to consolidate their conquests and form a defensive perimeter before the United States could go on the offensive.

"There is no victory at bargain basement prices."
25 ADG : Pearl Harbour is one place in America that I have yet to see ... it's a place I really want to see but wonder if it will be far to sad a place to vist
26 L-188 : The Arizona didn't wig me out quite as bad as visiting Punchbowl. I get spooked around graveyards.
27 Heavymetal : So. Was the rape of Nanking Pan Am's fault? How about the incineration of a large chunk of Shanghai from the air? The Mongolian occupation? The sack o
28 L-188 : Heavymetal, I just want to specify that you are talking that recently released Chick Flick......... Not the classic film, TORA TORA TORA, which is pro
29 N79969 : It is important to reflect on the events of that day. I think Heavymetal captured the sentiments of most Americans regarding the attack and the absolu
30 Post contains images Swissgabe : Aviatsiya, never mind, I will forgive you that time No doubt Japan made errors during that time. Not only Pearl Harbor and other places in the pacific
31 Swissgabe : I nearly forgot. In order to avoid any misunderstandings. I'm always sorry for people who have to die. Doesn't matter if American, Japanese, Europeans
32 N79969 : Japan's textbooks mention almost nothing about their own agression but go on and on about their own suffering. Japan's youth are blissfully ignorant o
33 Tbar220 : Pearl Harbor was a bad day in American history. Many young mean died needlessly that day, and its quite humbling to walk on the Arizona memorial. On a
34 Arrow : At the risk of opening myself up to a blistering broadside, I'm going to come to Aviatsya's defense. I didn't see his Pan-Am post as anti-American --
35 Heavymetal : It should be pointed out that Pearl Harbor was a tactically even day for the Japanese military. In their glee at pumping bomb after bomb into the US P
36 Swissgabe : N79969. Do you really understand Japanese culture? Do you really understand another culture than your own. Do you really understand a culture at all?
37 N79969 : Swissgabe, I lived in rural Fukuoka prefecture for two years, passed the Japanese language proficiency exam, and was a teacher in a Japanese public sc
38 UALPHLCS : I am glad to see this thread. I would also like to defend those who would like to add tidbits of history to our understanding. If PanAm's actions wher
39 N79969 : UALPHLCS, The world owes your grandparents and their generation of Americans, Australians, British, Chinese, and the other allies a tremendous debt of
40 GDB : Yes, the Japanese Imperial Navy was inspired by the attack by the Royal Navy's Fleet Air Arm (at night with biplane Swordfish carrier planes), on the
41 Post contains images KLAX : I have never been to a place on this earth so emotionally challenging as the US Armed Forces cemetary in Normandy France. Never have I felt so insigni
42 N79969 : Nice post Clovis. It is sad that WWII veterans are dying at the rate of 1,000 a day now.
43 Post contains images KLAX : N79969, that is precisly why we must never forget!! I know that at my age, 16 , I will never forget to pause on these dates and remember, and I wouldn
44 UALPHLCS : Sometimes the smallest detail has great impact on history. For the want of a curveball Fidel Castro was cut from the Washington Senators tryouts. What
45 N79969 : "I know almost certainly that I will never become a true hero of the kind these men were." When many of the men who died at Pearl Harbor, Normandy, Iw
46 Rai : N79969: Outstanding post! In Korean, it's actually: Ahn-young-ge-ka-seo. Just curious, what languages do you speak? Seems like you speak English, Germ
47 Post contains images Manni : Well in Korean it's actually 안녕하세요?
48 Post contains images Rai : Not all of has have that software, Manni!
49 Post contains images Rai : Not all of us have that software, Manni!
50 N79969 : Thanks, Rai. My German is so-so and I know only a few Korean words. I did my best to approximate the word "bye" in Korean. You are correct about Okina
51 BH346 : N79969: the above was well said. My mother taught in a school in Okinawa and tells me that they don't teach about Japan's horrible atrocities in WWII.
52 Post contains images Rai : I think the fact that Okinawans are different from the Japanese is why most USFJ bases are located there. I’m sure the Japanese had a say in where t
53 BH346 : I am half Japanese or I guess Okinawan since my mom is from Okinawa as well as her family. My father is American. I visit Okinawa once in a while and
54 TWAL1011 : How in the hell does this topic only merit 2 stars???
55 Apathoid : ADG - I would like to ask that you never visit Pearl Harbor. To many Americans, it is sacred and hallowed ground. When people like you go there, it is
56 Alpha 1 : Apathoid, for once, I have to come to ADG's defense. She did nothing to dishonor the memory of Pearl Harbor, as Aviatsiya did; she did not belittle th
57 L-188 : Actually Apathoid, It might be good thing for her, and help her to realize that people died for their countries is places other then Galapoli.
58 Swissgabe : N79969 First of all I really would like to tell you that I don't mind having discussions with you at all, up to the moment where you try to get quite
59 Swissgabe : Alpha 1 What do you call "trying to stoke revisionist history"? - The way I try to tell that Japan paid for the attack on Pearl Harbor? - Or that I sa
60 Alpha 1 : Do kids in the USA learn what they have done to American Indians earlier or how many civilians had to die in nearly every war which the US fought? The
61 Swissgabe : Alpha 1 There was a discussion going on about the past and what German and Japanese kids learn at school. So if you know what you are talking about I
62 Alpha 1 : Well, in most conflicts (with some exceptions) the US have not been attacked directly or not at all. That doesn't matter, Swissgabe. That right there
63 L-188 : Well lets take a look at that list there, Swissgabe. The only US troops that where ever in Lebanon where Peacekeepers. They where their to keep Christ
64 L-188 : As far as the bomb goes. Consider Jostens, the company that make class rings. During the war they made medals. In 45 they got a contract to make purpl
65 N79969 : Swissgabe, You pretty much called me ignorant about Japan (and every non-US culture)and then insinuated that I was a racist with that "Japs" remark an
66 N79969 : Rai, I learned Japanese by taking classes two nights a week in Japan and by living in the ideal environment for the learning the language. Anything I
67 Post contains images Swissgabe : N79969 Guess I have to continue in English. Maybe we try German another day and you won't have a chance anymore Have to admit that your knowledge abou
68 Alpha 1 : They are just different and their way of understanding the past is a different then the one we are used to. Swissgabe, I appreciate your attempt at an
69 N79969 : Swissgabe, No culture or person likes to admit their wrongdoings. It makes them uncomfortable. Japan is no different. Of course you can compare German
70 Swissgabe : I don't think that the topic has anything to do with the kind of girls I'm dating and I don't know why I'm called an Asia fetish since I'm also intere
71 Post contains images Galaxy5 : I have some pics of pearl harbor when i went there a while back, i guess i will share them with ya. and on a lighter note:
72 Heavymetal : The mere thought of visiting the Arizona and Mighty Mo, the USS Missouri on the same day makes me want to buy a ticket now. I also find a strange need
73 Aviatsiya : Firstly, I want it to be known that I was not blaming either Pan Am nor the Americans for the attack on Pearl Harbour (there is an inherrent differenc
74 KLAX : Regardless, I still think the story of Canton Atoll is irrelevant. There were hundreds of suitable atolls throughout the Pacific. Guadalcanal and the
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