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Disturbing Article About Mexican Anti-Americanism  
User currently offlineJcs17 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 8065 posts, RR: 39
Posted (12 years 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2727 times:

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=4957

That whole thing makes me sick. Talk about biting the hand that feeds you.


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User currently offlineDeltaSFO From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2488 posts, RR: 22
Reply 1, posted (12 years 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2718 times:

This article is so full of crap that I don't even know where to begin rebutting it. I won't even waste my time.

It's really amazing that people read and believe this stuff, but hey, you listen to Jim Rome. That tells us all we need to know.



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User currently offlineRai From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (12 years 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2711 times:

Not the most credible source of information. I take that article with a giant grain of salt

User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (12 years 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2695 times:

Sounds like Pat Buchanan wrote that crap. It's a right-wing feel-good piece, nothing more, and, as Rai said, should be taken with a grain of salt.

Mexico may not be thrilled with the U.S. in some manner, but I think this is just hysterical over-reaching by someone who doesn't like foreigners to begin with.


User currently offlinePHX-LJU From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (12 years 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2686 times:

I agree. It's surprising that some people believe such propaganda-filled articles from a wacko far-right publication (which, driven by ideological madness, routinely portrays liberals, leftists, and everyone who rejects their extremist conservative views as anti-American).

I have always condemned real anti-Americanism when I've seen it, but I also have to condemn FrontPage's malevolent propaganda which is, franky, un-American to the core.


User currently offlineJcs17 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 8065 posts, RR: 39
Reply 5, posted (12 years 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2687 times:

This article is so full of crap that I don't even know where to begin rebutting it. I won't even waste my time.

It's really amazing that people read and believe this stuff, but hey, you listen to Jim Rome. That tells us all we need to know.


Yet, you decided to waste your time taking a crack at me. Nice job, nice generalization...way to go. What the hell does the Jim Rome show have to do with my political views?
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I do agree with this article to a certain extent after living in Atlanta and Dallas, and going to a college with a sizeable Hispanic population.




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User currently offlineDeltaSFO From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2488 posts, RR: 22
Reply 6, posted (12 years 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2681 times:

Yet, you decided to waste your time taking a crack at me. Nice job, nice generalization...way to go. What the hell does the Jim Rome show have to do with my political views?

Jim Rome has to do with your political views in that he is from the school of "slam first, think later." In otherwords, he is an idiot. Clearly, based on what you've said about what you think of this article, you operate in the same manner.

I do agree with this article to a certain extent after living in Atlanta and Dallas, and going to a college with a sizeable Hispanic population.

You just proved my point. Gracias, amigo.



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User currently offlineJcs17 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 8065 posts, RR: 39
Reply 7, posted (12 years 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2679 times:

I have always condemned real anti-Americanism when I've seen it, but I also have to condemn FrontPage's malevolent propaganda which is, franky, un-American to the core.

How is Front Page Mag un-American? Because they dont say things that you want to hear? Because they dont sugar coat the issues for you? Go read a far-left magazine and look me in the eye and tell me the Front Page is un-American.



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User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (12 years 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2670 times:

Jim Rome has to do with your political views in that he is from the school of "slam first, think later." In otherwords, he is an idiot.

Oooh, are you gonna get the wrath of KROC for that statement!  Wink/being sarcastic

I don't see where listining to a sport talkshow host has to do with anything about this thread, to be honest. I listen to Romie when I can, and he can be pretty damned funny sometimes. But what does it have to do with views on Mexican-American relations?


User currently offlineMD-90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 8508 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (12 years 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2662 times:

I am American, I do not want to speak Spanish, I do not worship their holidays, the nation of Atzlan never even existed anyway, and it's high time we militarized our border with Mexico. We need U.S. troops to defend our own border. That's why I pay taxes. I don't come to America to bilk this nation out of all the money and free social services that I can, then encourage my family members to come so that they can live off of honest working American's tax dollars that liberals so willingly dole out to illegal Mexican immigrants who have no right to be here.

I do. My grandfather on my dad's side immigrated here legally, from Poland, when he was 7 years old. His future wife was born in America from parents who had also legally immigrated from Europe. On my mother's side, my ancestors are British with some Indian blood in there too (Cherokee, I think).

All of my ancestors assimilated into America, and were God fearing, patriotic Americans. The same cannot be said for the invading Mexicans.


User currently offlinePHX-LJU From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (12 years 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2659 times:

Jcs17 wrote:

"How is Front Page Mag un-American? Because they dont say things that you want to hear? Because they dont sugar coat the issues for you?"



Front Page is un-American in my view because it routinely portrays liberals, leftists, and other people who are not far-right conservatives, as virtual anti-American traitors. If you don't support the war against Iraq, you are anti-American; if you are a dual citizen, you can't be a loyal American... Heck, the magazine even has an archive section called "Fifth Column Leftists".

Now, I condemn REAL anti-Americanism when I see it, but publications like Front Page routinely use the term to describe anyone who doesn't fit into their far-right view of what a patriotic American should be like. They fail to realize that America is all about democratic VALUES and IDEAS, not some narrow conservative definitions of patriotism. Their simplistic attitude has much in common with McCarthyism, and I consider it un-American. Happy now?


User currently offlinePHX-LJU From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (12 years 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2653 times:

In other words, I consider Front Page to be un-American because it is arrogant enough to decide who is "patriotic" and "loyal" on the basis of a warped far-right ideology. This McCarthyist attitude goes against America's most treasured democratic principles, IMHO.

User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (12 years 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2652 times:

I am American, I do not want to speak Spanish, I do not worship their holidays, the nation of Atzlan never even existed anyway, and it's high time we militarized our border with Mexico.

Great-let's militarize one of the most peaceful borders in the world, simply because you don't like Mexicans. That's Gringoism at it's worst. That's not what is needed. What is needed is for Mexico and the U.S. to work together to make it so Mexican's don't want to leave their native land. That should be the goal of every nation.

But we don't need to put armed troops on the border to shoot down people you find undesirable.

That's why I pay taxes.

You want to pay taxes to have U.S. Servicemen and women gun down unarmed people? That's not what I pay taxes for. You obviously believe the tripe that was in that article-and that's what it was-utter bullshit. We don't need an armed border. We need a strong, prosperous Mexico. That's what the goal should be-to make Mexico a more desirable place for Mexicans.

then encourage my family members to come so that they can live off of honest working American's tax dollars that liberals so willingly dole out to illegal Mexican immigrants who have no right to be here.

That's only fair for "liberals" to do, since conservatives dole out money, and give IMMEDIATE asylum to Cubans who come here illegally. Shoe's on the other foot now, isn't it. And the Cuban immigrants are no better than their Mexican counterparts. They've made Miami a Little Havana, which the GOP is constantly getting votes from.

I do. My grandfather on my dad's side immigrated here legally, from Poland, when he was 7 years old. His future wife was born in America from parents who had also legally immigrated from Europe.

And you would have the U.S. treat Mexicans the way your people were treated by Nazi Germany? Short memory in your family, or what? You have the same hatred for Mexicans as the Germans had for Poles back then.

If you want that kind of America, I'll take my family to Canada. Such thinking is alian to what America has always been.


User currently offlineDeltaSFO From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2488 posts, RR: 22
Reply 13, posted (12 years 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2647 times:

I am American, I do not want to speak Spanish, I do not worship their holidays, the nation of Atzlan never even existed anyway, and it's high time we militarized our border with Mexico. We need U.S. troops to defend our own border. That's why I pay taxes. I don't come to America to bilk this nation out of all the money and free social services that I can, then encourage my family members to come so that they can live off of honest working American's tax dollars that liberals so willingly dole out to illegal Mexican immigrants who have no right to be here.

I do. My grandfather on my dad's side immigrated here legally, from Poland, when he was 7 years old. His future wife was born in America from parents who had also legally immigrated from Europe. On my mother's side, my ancestors are British with some Indian blood in there too (Cherokee, I think).

All of my ancestors assimilated into America, and were God fearing, patriotic Americans. The same cannot be said for the invading Mexicans.


Why don't you go learn what the real issues are about. When you're informed and able to post something other than the jingoistic rhetoric you've just given us, you can come back and argue the issue.

Some people really are clueless.



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User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (12 years 1 week 5 days ago) and read 2616 times:

Mexicans, British, French, Germans, Italians, Russians, Canadians, Kenyans, Irish, Japanese, Chinese, Vietnamese, Iranians, Brazillians...soon Americans are going to be called anti-American,

 Insane


User currently offlineManni From South Korea, joined Nov 2001, 4221 posts, RR: 22
Reply 15, posted (12 years 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2610 times:

I have read in various newspapers, internet articles and seen on various documentarys that anti-Americanism in on the raise in Japan, South Korea, Indonesia, Europe, now Mexico, nearly all muslim countrys,... Time to start worry guys an woder what's wrong with the image of your country. And dont give us the cheap crap of being jealous 'cause I ain't buying this excuse. Could it be that getting rid of Bush would already be a step in the good direction?


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User currently offlineAviatsiya From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (12 years 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2594 times:

Can I ask a question? I don't know if it is just me that see this, or is there something about Polish immigrants to America which totally sets them apart from every other nationality? I am only going by what I have seen on these forums, so I am not generalising, but am totally curious as to what the deal is. (Oh, and I know the Polish jokes. We use the same jokes but about the Irish).

User currently offlineJcs17 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 8065 posts, RR: 39
Reply 17, posted (12 years 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2576 times:

PHX-LJU wrote:
Front Page is un-American in my view because it routinely portrays liberals, leftists, and other people who are not far-right conservatives, as virtual anti-American traitors. If you don't support the war against Iraq, you are anti-American; if you are a dual citizen, you can't be a loyal American... Heck, the magazine even has an archive section called "Fifth Column Leftists".
Oh cmon, do you really think that this is much worse than what Republicans get labeled as by far-left magazines. Give me a break, as far as the left is concerned, the Republicans want to kill old people by taking away SS, they want put arsenic in the drinking water...Democrats having been scaring citizens for years. By the way, if you had cared to read anymore on http://www.frontpagemag.com, you'd know that the editor, was a former leftist and radical.

Alpha 1 wrote:
Great-let's militarize one of the most peaceful borders in the world, simply because you don't like Mexicans. That's Gringoism at it's worst. That's not what is needed. What is needed is for Mexico and the U.S. to work together to make it so Mexican's don't want to leave their native land. That should be the goal of every nation.

The most peaceful borders in the world, huh? Yeah right. That peaceful border allows more drugs into the US than any other. There are also hundreds of murders on the border each year. Try to find me a border town with a decent crime rate...you wont find one. I dont like Mexicans? I like Mexicans, I especially like the ones that immigrate legally.

You want to pay taxes to have U.S. Servicemen and women gun down unarmed people? That's not what I pay taxes for. You obviously believe the tripe that was in that article-and that's what it was-utter bullshit. We don't need an armed border. We need a strong, prosperous Mexico. That's what the goal should be-to make Mexico a more desirable place for Mexicans.

Uh, they wouldnt be shooting anyone....dont make irrational statements. The problem is that the border patrol is stretched to the limit. And yes, I do believe that we should put servicemen on the border. What do you pay taxes for? So an illegal immigrant can get social services? Or so a serviceman can sit on base 365 days a year? Give me a freaking break.

That's only fair for "liberals" to do, since conservatives dole out money, and give IMMEDIATE asylum to Cubans who come here illegally. Shoe's on the other foot now, isn't it. And the Cuban immigrants are no better than their Mexican counterparts. They've made Miami a Little Havana, which the GOP is constantly getting votes from.

Cuba is a communist country, Mexico isnt. In Mexico you are afforded at least basic human rights, that is not the case in Cuba. What an awful example, give me a break. You can thank Janet Reno for losing votes in the Cuban community, usually a SWAT team raiding a house, guns drawn, just to take a little boy away from his parents, and send him back to a Communist regime....Great stuff.

Manni wrote:
I have read in various newspapers, internet articles and seen on various documentarys that anti-Americanism in on the raise in Japan, South Korea, Indonesia, Europe, now Mexico, nearly all muslim countrys,... Time to start worry guys an woder what's wrong with the image of your country. And dont give us the cheap crap of being jealous 'cause I ain't buying this excuse. Could it be that getting rid of Bush would already be a step in the good direction?

Yeah, its our fault. Were successful. Go play with your Osama doll.














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User currently offlineB747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (12 years 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2572 times:

just to take a little boy away from his parents, and send him back to a Communist regime

Actually, the raid took the little boy and gave him BACK to his father.


User currently offlineManni From South Korea, joined Nov 2001, 4221 posts, RR: 22
Reply 19, posted (12 years 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2564 times:

Jcs17,

I believe it was you who came up withthe doll topic  Insane

Great rhttp://www.airliners.net/discussions/non_aviation/read.main/311961/?PHPSESSID=aa0af835e23a1b0ad7c3b38836547304eply kid!

I haven't seen them in Belgium yet and I'm very sure that we will never see them in the shops over here. Kind of pathetic to make a doll of the most sought after man in the world, even if it is meant to be a joke.

Getting back to the FACT that anti-americanism is raising all over the globe.
Recognizing your problem, kid ,is the first step in the good direction to solve your problem. Luckily for the millions of nice Americans out there, you are of little or no importance when it comes to that matter.




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User currently offlineCicadajet From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (12 years 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2563 times:

The USA *needs* immigration...and not just for "cheap labor". However, the border with Mexico ought to be enforced. Its irresponsible to the extreme to ignore the concerns of those that are feeling and seeing the consequences of this invasion.

User currently offlineJcs17 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 8065 posts, RR: 39
Reply 21, posted (12 years 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2560 times:

I believe it was you who came up withthe doll topic

Your point is?!?

Getting back to the FACT that anti-americanism is raising all over the globe.
Recognizing your problem, kid ,is the first step in the good direction to solve your problem. Luckily for the millions of nice Americans out there, you are of little or no importance when it comes to that matter.


Oh, I see, I am not a "nice" American because I do not agree with you. That makes a lot of sense, kid. Recognizing our problem? What, that we dont agree with Europe or the rest of the world on terrorism or Iraqi issues? How is that a problem? I could care less what the rest of the world thinks of us, as an Americans, I feel that the government has done the right thing in terms of Iraq, and most Americans do. Manni, you and your cronies, are always the first to point the finger at America for the world's ills. For once, why dont you open your eyes, take a look in the mirror, and stop casting blame on others.



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User currently offlineJcs17 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 8065 posts, RR: 39
Reply 22, posted (12 years 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2557 times:

Actually, the raid took the little boy and gave him BACK to his father.

The problem was that the boy's father was in a communist country. Lets face it, the kid has no future, like many Cubans, in the dictatorship. To send him back was an awful idea. Might I also remind you that the father was divorced from the mother for a few years before she tried to get her child to America. Think about it, the woman sacrificed her life to get her son to freedom, and what does Bill Clinton and Janet Reno do? They ship them right back to Cuba. If I was a Cuban-American I'd be incensed also over the situation, it was not handled properly.



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User currently offlineJcs17 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 8065 posts, RR: 39
Reply 23, posted (12 years 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2556 times:

They ship them

Sorry about that, I meant to put him instead of them.



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User currently offlineKLAX From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (12 years 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2554 times:

I don't come to America to bilk this nation out of all the money and free social services that I can, then encourage my family members to come so that they can live off of honest working American's tax dollars that liberals so willingly dole out to illegal Mexican immigrants who have no right to be here.


How in the heck are Mexican Immigrants living off Honest working Americans tax dollars? It is to my knowledge, after living 15 years in Los Angeles (39.9% Hispanic population) that most Mexican immigrants are working their asses of as gardeners, cleaning people, maids, garbage truck drivers, construction workers, and other low pay jobs, all for the rich white man's benefit.
If you think they come here to milk our social benefits you are wrong buddy. Some of the hardest working people I have ever seen are Hispanic immigrants. Many work 2 jobs, and 50 hour weeks for dirt pay, with no healthcare benefits, or life insurance, while sending most of their measly little salary back to their relatives in Mexico. What happened to the land of the Free, of Liberty, Hope, Justice and endless opportunity that I thought we Americans are so proud of! I'm downright flattered so many have immigrated here. Its just more proof how wonderful our country is.

-Clovis


25 Heavymetal : In the first paragraph, the author conveniently wants us to believe that the number of epithet laden bumper stickers in the LA area was in the "thousa
26 B747-437B : The problem was that the boy's father was in a communist country. That isn't the issue. You said that the boy was seized away from his parents. That w
27 B747-437B : Some of the hardest working people I have ever seen are Hispanic immigrants. This makes it ok for them to openly flaunt immigration laws in search of
28 Twaneedsnohelp : and were God fearing, patriotic Americans. What the hell does that mean? To be a good American - one has to be "god-fearing"? Is that what you are say
29 Alpha 1 : Could it be that getting rid of Bush would already be a step in the good direction? Well, Manni, Mr. Anti-America personified, Bush will be around for
30 Scorpio : Alpha 1, I must say that it is very clear that anti-American feelings in the world have grown immensely since Bush came to power. This is an undeniabl
31 Post contains images Superfly : My God but the sky must be falling because I am agreeing with Alpha1. Jcs17: Please tell me you aren't serious. I hope you are a fake user trying to e
32 Post contains images Alpha 1 : If you ask around Europe what people think of Clinton, you'll see that most Europeans think he was a very good president, one of the best the US has e
33 Aviatsiya : Jsc17, you want to make a point with a single case...so shall I.... You seem to go on about Cuba being a communist country and not providing even basi
34 Superfly : Aviatsiya: I'd also like to add that after visiting many 'poor' countries including Cuba, they are a lot better off than the poor people I've seen in
35 Seb146 : I have lived and worked in communities with legal an illegal Mexican immigrants. There are the hard working types and there are the types that come he
36 Superfly : Seb146: Exactly! Leeches come in every color, creed, age, religion, gender, sexual orientation and social-economic class.
37 Scorpio : Alpha 1, The biggest reason he's only average, was his stupid personal dalliances, if you will, of the sexual nature, that tarnished his presidency. W
38 Post contains links MD-90 : US troops right now are deployed in 40 countries and we can't even protect our own southern border!
39 MD-90 : Dang it, what is up with the refusal to post links?.........sighs Silent War, from ranchrescue.com We live in Duval county, 48 miles from the Mexican
40 Rai : I don't know about you, MD-90, but I'd much rather have a mooching, Mexican illegal immigrant leach in this country than a law-abiding, productive, Go
41 Aviatsiya : Is it only me, or is anyone taking MD-90 seriously? I always find myself laughing when someone says "That's why I pay taxes", and then when you go and
42 MD-90 : www.ranchrescue.com, these are the people that actually have to live with this illegal immigration! You don't face the same problems that these people
43 MD-90 : It's called selling stock and paying capital gains, to the tune of $320. It may not be much, but I'm 18 years old, a full time student, and I don't ha
44 MD-90 : Rai, calling an Al-Qaeda terrorist "law abiding, productive, and God-fearing" is a farce, plain and simple. They don't believe in God, they believe in
45 Scorpio : MD-90, Reading your posts in this thread, you seem to be a quite frustrated little man. You seem to be one of those people who wants to do their very
46 Rai : Well...Up until he conducted his operation, Mohammad Atta, by all accounts, was a productive, law-abiding member of American society. And yes, he cert
47 MD-90 : You can call me worldly all you want but I know that the god Muslims call Allah is not my God. It is not common knowledge in my denomination. Yes, I a
48 Arsenal@LHR : You can call me worldly all you want but I know that the god Muslims call Allah is not my God. It is not common knowledge in my denomination. Yes, I a
49 MD-90 : The god that Muslims call Allah is not the God of the Christian Bible. Allah is the Islamic term for their god, not for Yahweh. You know, in the begin
50 Strickerje : The word Allah is never once mentioned in the Bible. And we know how reliable and unbiased the Bible is. If you saw a passage in the Qur'an that claim
51 Post contains images Superfly : MD-90: We are a little concerned about you here. You'd make a very good fortune teller (your old WTC thread) but some of the stuff here isn't really a
52 MD-90 : Show me someone who claims to have proof that the Bible is wrong, anywhere in its voluminous text, and I will gladly consider their argument. It's str
53 David_itl : Didn't Islam arise a few hundred years AFTER the rise of Christianity? This may be a reason for no Allah in the Bible. Not sure if Mohammed received
54 777236ER : MD-90, what has this discussion got to do with Christians and your insecurities about your faith?
55 BarfBag : It's strange, how you won't find Allah in the Bible, but you do find Jesus in the Quran. 1. Christianity predates Islam by about eight centuries. 2. I
56 MD-90 : I have absolutely no insecurities about my faith, I just wish I was better skilled at the art of rhetoric so I knew how to debate better. But since th
57 Post contains images Alpha 1 : You can call me worldly all you want but I know that the god Muslims call Allah is not my God. Wrong, young man, but Allah is the same God that is wor
58 Blink182 : I barely read any of the above(except for the first few posts), so I apologize if I state anything that has been said. This might sound harsh, but thi
59 Post contains images Superfly : Blink182: Mexico is on the same continent as the United States. Mexico is part of America as well. Canada is part of North America and Colombia is par
60 MD-90 : Excuse me, Alpha1, I do not loathe immigrants. My families on each of my parents side were immigrants themselves, once. I have gone to and sung in the
61 Post contains images Blink182 : Superfly- Fine, how about United States. It's people like you who make me feel like a dumbass sometimes . blink
62 Jcs17 : That isn't the issue. You said that the boy was seized away from his parents. That was not the case. I was simply correcting your lie. Sean, right yo
63 Post contains images Jcs17 : Mexico is on the same continent as the United States. Mexico is part of America as well. Canada is part of North America and Colombia is part of Sout
64 Derico : I know this might sound anal, but I don't understand why people get irked with Americans calling themselves American. It's really not a big deal, thou
65 IMissPiedmont : I haven't read all the responses, nor will I, but the following struck me. "In these books, the failure of Mexico – a nation secretly tormented
66 USFlyer MSP : MD-90: First, If you read the Bible in Arabic you will find Allah, its just Arabic (and several other middle eastern languages) for God. Second, the w
67 Jcs17 : Avitsiya: MD-90, care to share with everyone in the forums exactly how much tax you paid last year? Isnt it ironic that someone who doesnt even live i
68 Post contains images Alpha 1 : However, if it's is true that the Mexican government is trying to take over the American Southwest, and goodness knows the Mexican government gives a
69 Boeing4ever : Can I ask a question? I don't know if it is just me that see this, or is there something about Polish immigrants to America which totally sets them ap
70 PHX-LJU : Jcs17 wrote: "But, if that same immigrant goes out and makes trashes the government [...], then I lose all respect for him...I'd tell him to go back t
71 Jaysit : If you only made $ 320 last year, you should technically not have had to pay any taxes. Or certainly not enough to complain about how your tax dollars
72 MD-90 : Alpha1, you're calling 16 million Baptists a sect, get real, man. How could cold and far away Allah ever be the person that I call Father (Abba, in th
73 Jcs17 : He was taking from his cousins/aunts/uncles who were trying to keep him from his own father. Keep your apologies. a.) I wasnt talking to you. b.) Why
74 DeltaSFO : It is really amazing to me that the more you open your mouth, Jcs17, the more ignorant and bigoted you sound. Not only are you stupid, you also speak
75 MD-90 : DeltaSFO, I'm sure that the government of Arizona, which just recently reported spending $100 million/year on health care for immigrants, illegal and
76 MD-90 : By the way, Jcs17, Alpha1's comment was directed at me, not you. He seems to think that the 16 million member strong Southern Baptist Convention is so
77 KROC : Jim Rome has to do with your political views in that he is from the school of "slam first, think later." In otherwords, he is an idiot. I might be abo
78 Alpha 1 : There is no way they could be the same god. And since the Bible says that God, the God of Jews and Christians, is the real thing, then that means tha
79 Aviatsiya : If 16 million Baptists isn't a sect, then what do you call 1.3 billion Muslims? There are 81.25 times as many Muslims than there are Baptists, and cer
80 Post contains images Krushny : Alpha1, I could not agree more with your interpretation of the Elian issue. Cuba is under a nasty and decrepit communist regime, but this does not gi
81 DeltaSFO : DeltaSFO, I'm sure that the government of Arizona, which just recently reported spending $100 million/year on health care for immigrants, illegal and
82 KROC : Delta, you're a bright guy. You're smart on here, and you were smart in person. When I talk about Rome's sizeable knowledge, obviously I was talking a
83 MD-90 : Okay, Alpha 1, Aviatsaya, and DeltaSFO. y'all are absolutely right. There aren't a billion Muslims going to Hell because they don't know Jesus, the So
84 Post contains images Superfly : Jcs17: You never cease to amaze me. You have continued to make foolish statements that have NO basis. Even the conservative members here (Alpha1, Delt
85 Post contains images Aviatsiya : MD-90, you say that "it's just not the Christian thing to do to keep pointlessly arguing like this", but it seems to be perfectly ok and the "Christia
86 Jcs17 : DeltaSFO: It is really amazing to me that the more you open your mouth, Jcs17, the more ignorant and bigoted you sound. Not only are you stupid, you a
87 Arsenal@LHR : MD-90 and jcs17 have lost the plot. One thinks "Allah" is some sort of fictional character, the other thinks Alpha1 is "anti-american"! wtf? :o
88 Post contains links and images KLAX : And finally, it is a lie from Satan that the god that Muslims call Allah is the same God that Jews and Christians worship. Suredeley Durdely! Whatever
89 PHX-LJU : MD-90, you think that all Muslims are going to hell just because they happen to believe in a different God than you? Wow, you really are a bigot; not
90 Mcdougald : Arsenal@LHR wrote: "MD-90 and jcs17 have lost the plot." Feverish ideologues like those two are easy pickings. All one has to do is to calmly wait for
91 MD-90 : Just because you don't agree with me or you think I'm stupid doesn't mean that I'm wrong. I suppose you'll just have to wait till you die, then you ca
92 MD-90 : Does Alpha 1 know that he owes his precious First Amendment rights to a member of a sect (by Alpha 1's allegations)? A Baptist, actually. A Baptist Pr
93 Scorpio : MD-90, You still don't get it, do you? God and Allah are one and the same. Period. Both Christian and Muslim scholars ALL agree on this. The Satan thi
94 MD-90 : Acts 4:12 - Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved. The Bible sa
95 Post contains images Scorpio : MD-90, The Bible says that Jesus is the only way. Sooo... What exactly does this have to do with God and Allah not being one and the same? Right, noth
96 KLAX : I respect your belief in Satan and Jesus MD-90, but just as I dont like Muslims going around ranting about how their religion is the only "true" relig
97 Macyjet : Just an extra for MD-90; I am fron Ghana and speak Twi. In my language, the word for God is Nyame. I also happenned to have grown up in Zambia and can
98 N79969 : I thought I would stay out of this particular swamp but Macyjet has made an important point. Allah is not an Islamic word for God but an Arabic word f
99 Hepkat : For your information MD-90: John chapter 10, verse 16 Jesus: "And I have other sheep, that are not of this fold; I must bring them also, and they will
100 MD-90 : Macyjet and N79969, c'mon, you know that's not what I'm talking about. Of course I understand that the Arabic word for god is Allah, but I disagree th
101 N79969 : MD-90, I did not realize someone had posted the linguistic point earlier. I think the consensus view of Christianity, Judiasm, and Islam is that all t
102 MD-90 : N79969, I know. But I still have to fill up space due to the minimum words criteria, so let's look at this: Job 38:1-13 The LORD Speaks 1 Then the LOR
103 Hepkat : Gee, thanks Hepkat, for more or less implying that Christianity was the root cause of 9/11. And how many of the terrorists that were involved with tha
104 MD-90 : Nice poem, Hepkat. Exodus 34:14 Do not worship any other god, for the LORD , whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God. There's also a verse in there so
105 Marcus : Hey Raza......chill out!......the gringuitos are getting paranoid jejejejejeje We will continue the "invasion silenciosa" later in life.
106 Post contains images Rai : Hey Raza......chill out!......the gringuitos are getting paranoid jejejejejeje We will continue the "invasion silenciosa" later in life. Well, if inva
107 Post contains images Superfly : Jcs17: Mexico is on the same continent as the United States. Mexico is part of America as well. Canada is part of North America and Colombia is part o
108 N79969 : Rai, Nice post. I agree with you. MD-90, Let's assume for a moment that the Bible, Koran, or Torah did not contain verses stating that each book was i
109 Jcs17 : Superfly, the fact that you are even attempting to compare the US to Cuba in terms of voting rights, human rights, and freedom of speech is utterly ri
110 Jaysit : If it weren't for those Mexican immigrants, you wouldnt be eating strawberries and lettuce at $ 1.50 a lb. If it werent for those Mexican immigrants,
111 N79969 : "If it werent for those Mexican immigrants, your streets and malls and office buildings would be a stinking mess by now, because none of you lazy armc
112 PHX-LJU : Superfly, Your opionions often make a lot of sense, but your attempt to compare Cuba and the US is misguided. While we may disapprove of Bush and his
113 MD-90 : The wing of the dorm I live in here at MSU is cleaned by a black employee. I'm very grateful that he keeps our bathroom and showers clean. He deserves
114 Marcus : Hmmmmmm well Mexican inmigrants not only get cleaning jobs while in the states, my fathers older brother joined the Air Force when he migrated to the
115 Superfly : PHX-LJU: I am not comparing Cuba to the U.S. at all. It's that silly Jcs17 guy who is trying to change the subject to deflect the many retarded statem
116 Post contains images Marco : MD-90 you made some great points. Well done!
117 Jcs17 : It's that silly Jcs17 guy who is trying to change the subject to deflect the many retarded statements he has made thus far. Retarded statements....ta
118 Alpha 1 : Jcs17, let me respond to each of your right-wing points below: -The military should be on the U.S.-Mexico border to prevent illegal immigration and il
119 Superfly : Jcs17: Superfly, youve had this tendency to make statements on this thread, then when someone calls you out for them, you have to rationalize them, or
120 DeltaSFO : Tell me how my views are bigoted. Please, I'm still waiting to find out. Whats bigoted about having the military on the U.S.-Mexican border? Whats big
121 Jcs17 : Alpha 1: The last thing we need to do is get macho about this and let the miltary handle border. Beef up the Border Patrol and let them handle it. Kne
122 Rai : There is a real question of the net effect of the massive immigration from south and Central America. Unlike many immigrant groups ranging from Nigeri
123 Marcus : Recently it has been discovered the following in the Mexico/US border.......drug cartels from the US are exporting drugs mainly from California in to
124 N79969 : Rai, Don't get me wrong. Hispanics have long been part and parcel of the American society. However, I am talking about a recent and growing flow from
125 Rai : Don't get me wrong. Hispanics have long been part and parcel of the American society. However, I am talking about a recent and growing flow from Centr
126 Post contains links N79969 : Rai, Well that is heartening news. I realize that Hispanic immigrants are anything but monolithic. My observations were not based on DC per se. Prior
127 Post contains links N79969 : Actually this is a great bio as well: http://www.ahsc.arizona.edu/opa/ahsnews/apr02/carmona.htm This guy is close to being Superman.
128 Post contains links Rai : Wow. If I could do a 1/10th of what that man has done. Amazing human being. Bill Richardson is another amazing Hispanic public servant. http://www.wes
129 N79969 : The list is certainly long and distinguished.
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