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Charleton Heston's Speech At Harvard  
User currently offlineMD-90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 8502 posts, RR: 12
Posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3641 times:

from saintsalive.com

Winning the Cultural War' - Charlton Heston's Speech
to the Harvard Law School Forum, Feb 16, 1999


I remember my son when he was five, explaining to his kindergarten class what his father did for a living. "My Daddy," he said, "pretends to be people." There have been quite a few of them. Prophets from the Old and New Testaments, a couple of Christian saints, generals of various nationalities and different centuries, several kings, three American presidents, a French cardinal and two geniuses, including Michelangelo. If you want the ceiling repainted I'll do my best. There always seem to be a lot of different fellows up here. I'm never sure which one of them gets to talk. Right now, I guess I'm the guy. As I pondered our visit tonight it struck me: If my Creator gave me the gift to connect you with the hearts and minds of those great men, then I want to use that same gift now to reconnect you with your own sense of liberty of your own freedom of thought ... your own compass for what is right.

Dedicating the memorial at Gettysburg, Abraham Lincoln said of America,"We are now engaged in a great Civil War, testing whether this nation or any nation so conceived and so dedicated can long endure." Those words are true again. I believe that we are again engaged in a great civil war, a cultural war that's about to hijack your birthright to think and say what resides in your heart. I fear you no longer trust the pulsing lifeblood of liberty inside you ... the stuff that made this country rise from wilderness into the miracle that it is. Let me back up.

About a year ago I became president of the National Rifle Association, which protects the right to keep and bear arms. I ran for office, I was elected, and now I serve ... I serve as a moving target for the media who've called me everything from "ridiculous" and "duped" to a "brain-injured, senile, crazy old man." I know ... I'm pretty old ... but I sure, Lord, ain't senile. As I have stood in the crosshairs of those who target Second Amendment freedoms, I've realized that firearms are not the only issue. No, it's much, much bigger than that. I've come to understand that a cultural war is raging across our land, in which, with Orwellian fervor, certain acceptable thoughts and speech are mandated.

For example, I marched for civil rights with Dr. King in 1963 - long before Hollywood found it fashionable. But when I told an audience last year that white pride is just as valid as black pride or red pride or anyone else's pride, they called me a racist. I've worked with brilliantly talented homosexuals all my life. But when I told an audience that gayrights should extend no further than your rights or my rights, I was called a homophobe. I served in World War II against the Axis powers. But during a speech, when I drew an analogy between singling out innocent Jews and singling out innocent gun owners, I was called an anti-Semite. Everyone I know knows I would never raise a closed fist against my country. But when I asked an audience to oppose this cultural persecution, I was compared to Timothy McVeigh. From Time magazine to friends and colleagues, they're essentially saying, "Chuck, how dare you speak your mind. You are using language not authorized for public consumption!" But I am not afraid. If Americans believed in political correctness, we'd still be King George's boys-subjects bound to the British crown.

In his book, "The End of Sanity," Martin Gross writes that "blatantly irrational behavior is rapidly being established as the norm in almost every area of human endeavor. There seem to be new customs, new rules, new anti-intellectual theories regularly foisted on us from every direction. Underneath, the nation is roiling. Americans know something without a name is undermining the nation, turning the mind mushy when it comes to separating truth from falsehood and right from wrong. And they don't like it." Let me read a few examples.

At Antioch college in Ohio, young men seeking intimacy with a coed must get verbal permission at each step of the process from kissing to petting to final copulation ... all clearly spelled out in a printed college directive.

In New Jersey, despite the death of several patients nationwide who had been infected by dentists who had concealed their AIDs -- the state commissioner announced that health providers who are HIV-positive "need not ... need not" ... tell their patients that they are infected. At William and Mary, students tried to change the name of the school team "The Tribe" because it was supposedly insulting to local Indians, only to learn that authentic Virginia chiefs truly like the name. In San Francisco, city fathers passed an ordinance protecting the rights of transvestites to cross-dress on the job, and for transsexuals to have separate toilet facilities while undergoing sex change surgery. In New York City, kids who don't speak a word of Spanish have been placed in bilingual classes to learn their three R's in Spanish solely because their last names sound Hispanic. At the University of Pennsylvania, in a state where thousands died at Gettysburg opposing slavery, the president of that college officially set up segregated dormitory space for black students. Yeah, I know ... that's out of bounds now.

Dr. King said "Negroes." Jimmy Baldwin and most of us on the March said "black." But it's a no-no now. For me, hyphenated identities are awkward ... particularly "Native-American." I'm a Native American, for God's sake. I also happen to be a blood-initiated brother of the Miniconjou Sioux. On my wife's side, my grandson is a thirteenth generation native American ... with a capital letter on "American."

Finally, just last month ... David Howard, head of the Washington D.C. Office of Public Advocate, used the word "niggardly" while talking to colleagues about budgetary matters. Of course, "niggardly" means stingy or scanty. But within days Howard was forced to publicly apologize and resign. As columnist Tony Snow wrote: "David Howard got fired because some people in public employ were morons who (a) didn't know the meaning of niggardly,(b) didn't know how to use a dictionary to discover the meaning, and (c) actually demanded that he apologize for their ignorance."

What does all of this mean? It means that telling us what to think has evolved into telling us what to say, so telling us what to do can't be far behind. Before you claim to be a champion of free thought, tell me: Why did political correctness originate on America's campuses? And why do you continue to tolerate it? Why do you, who're supposed to debate ideas, surrender to their suppression?

Let's be honest. Who here thinks your professors can say what they really believe? It scares me to death, and should scare you too, that the superstition of political correctness rules the halls of reason. You are the best and the brightest. You, here in the fertile cradle of American academia, here in the castle of learning on the Charles River, you are the cream. But I submit that you, and your counterparts across the land, are the most socially conformed and politically silenced generation since Concord Bridge. And as long as you validate that ... and abide it ... you are- by your grandfathers' standards-cowards.

Here's another example. Right now at more than one major university, Second Amendment scholars and researchers are being told to shut up about their findings or they'll lose their jobs. Why? Because their research findings would undermine big-city mayor's pending lawsuits that seek to extort hundreds of millions of dollars from firearm manufacturers. I don't care what you think about guns. But if you are not shocked at that, I am shocked at you. Who will guard the raw material of unfettered ideas, if not you? Who will defend the core value of academia, if you supposed soldiers of free thought and expression lay down your arms and plead, "Don't shoot me."

If you talk about race, it does not make you a racist. If you see distinctions between the genders, it does not make you a sexist. If you think critically about a denomination, it does not make you anti-religion. If you accept but don't celebrate homosexuality, it does not make you a homophobe. Don't let America's universities continue to serve as incubators for this rampant epidemic of new McCarthyism.

But what can you do? How can anyone prevail against such pervasive social subjugation? The answer's been here all along. I learned it 36 years ago, on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial in Washington, DC, standing with Dr. Martin Luther King and two hundred thousand people. You simply ... disobey. Peaceably, yes. Respectfully, of course. Nonviolently, absolutely. But when told how to think or what to say or how to behave, we don't. We disobey social protocol that stifles and stigmatizes personal freedom. I learned the awesome power of disobedience from Dr. King ... who learned it from Gandhi, and Thoreau, and Jesus, and every other great men who led those in the right against those with the might. Disobedience is in our DNA. We feel innate kinship with that disobedient spirit that tossed tea into Boston Harbor, that sent Thoreau to jail, that refused to sit in the back of the bus, that protested a war in Vietnam. In that same spirit, I am asking you to disavow cultural correctness with massive disobedience of rogue authority, social directives and onerous laws that weaken personal freedom. But be careful ... it hurts. Disobedience demands that you put yourself at risk. Dr. King stood on lots of balconies. You must be willing to be humiliated ... to endure the modern-day equivalent of the police dogs at Montgomery and the water cannons at Selma. You must be willing to experience discomfort. I'm not complaining, but my own decades of social activism have taken their toll on me. Let me tell you a story.

A few years back I heard about a rapper named Ice-T who was selling a CD called "Cop Killer" celebrating ambushing and murdering police officers. It was being marketed by none other than Time/Warner, the biggest entertainment conglomerate in the world. Police across the country were outraged. Rightfully so-at least one had been murdered. But Time/Warner was stonewalling because the CD was a cash cow for them, and the media were tiptoeing around it because the rapper was black. I heard Time/Warner had a stockholders meeting scheduled in Beverly Hills. I owned some shares at the time, so I decided to attend. What I did there was against the advice of my family and colleagues. I asked for the floor. To a hushed room of a thousand average American stockholders, I simply read the full lyrics of "Cop Killer"- every vicious, vulgar, instructional word. "I GOT MY 12 GAUGE SAWED OFF. I GOT MY HEADLIGHTS TURNED OFF. I'M ABOUT TO BUST SOME SHOTS OFF. I'M ABOUT TO DUST SOME COPS OFF..."

It got worse, a lot worse. I won't read the rest of it to you. But trust me, the room was a sea of shocked, frozen, blanched faces. The Time/Warner executives squirmed in their chairs and stared at their shoes. They hated me for that. Then I delivered another volley of sick lyric brimming with racist filth, where Ice-T fantasizes about sodomizing two 12-year old nieces of Al and Tipper Gore. "SHE PUSHED HER BUTT AGAINST MY ...." Well, I won't do to you here what I did to them. Let's just say I left the room in echoing silence. When I read the lyrics to the waiting press corps, one of them said "We can't print that." "I know," I replied, "but Time/Warner's selling it."

Two months later, Time/Warner terminated Ice-T's contract. I'll never be offered another film by Warner's, or get a good review from Time magazine. But disobedience means you must be willing to act, not just talk.

When a mugger sues his elderly victim for defending herself ... jam the switchboard of the district attorney's office. When your university is pressured to lower standards until 80% of the students graduate with honors ... choke the halls of the board of regents. When an 8-year-old boy pecks a girl's cheek on the playground and gets hauled into court for sexual harassment ... march on that school and block its doorways. When someone you elected is seduced by political power and betrays you...petition them, oust them, banish them. When Time magazine's cover portrays millennium nuts as deranged, crazy Christians holding a cross as it did last month ... boycott their magazine and the products it advertises.

So that this nation may long endure, I urge you to follow in the hallowed footsteps of the great disobedience's of history that freed exiles, founded religions, defeated tyrants, and yes, in the hands of an aroused rabble in arms and a few great men, by God's grace, built this country. If Dr. King were here, I think he would agree.

Thank you.


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User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3622 times:

Why post his speech here, MD90? After all, the old guy can't remember what the hell he has said anymore.  Big thumbs up

He's a washed-up, hack has-been actor, who wants to make America a more dangerous place. What a guy.


User currently offlineN202PA From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1558 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3608 times:

Excellent speech. In many ways, the direction this country's culture is taking is downright frightening. Certainly, we have more freedom to be who we are and express our ideas in some ways (ie, the Internet, more racial tolerance, etc.), but our society is becoming more restricted and intolerant in many other ways (ie, Political correctness, thought-monitoring by the Government and colleges/universities, etc.).

User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16245 posts, RR: 56
Reply 3, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3604 times:

Innocent Americans are dying because of misguided gun-lovers. It takes a year for as many Japanese to die from gunshot as it does Americans in one day.

The US gun-culture would be sad if it wasn't so frightening.




Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineMD-90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 8502 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3591 times:

The Japanese have a different culture than ours. And they don't have rappers like Ice-T selling vast amounts of CDs promoting killing cops, like Mr. Heston said. Perhaps something like that is why we have so many murders?

User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3590 times:

There's nothing more dangerous than a gun nut with Alzheimer's. What a combination.

User currently offlinePHX-LJU From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3589 times:

MD-90 wrote:

"And they don't have rappers like Ice-T selling vast amounts of CDs promoting killing cops, like Mr. Heston said. Perhaps something like that is why we have so many murders?"


Nope, most young people in Japan and Europe listen to the same music and watch the same movies as their US counterparts (the overwhelming majority of movies screened in Europe are American). While media violence does desentisize, this logic doesn't explan why Japan and Europe have far lower murder rates.


User currently offlinePHX-LJU From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3583 times:

I meant "desensitize."

User currently offlineRai From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3583 times:

The Japanese have a different culture than ours. And they don't have rappers like Ice-T selling vast amounts of CDs promoting killing cops, like Mr. Heston said. Perhaps something like that is why we have so many murders?

Other reasons for more murders in the U.S. compared to Japan, but I'd be banned if I mentioned them...


User currently offlinePacificjourney From New Zealand, joined Jul 2001, 2732 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3571 times:

Trust me, the Japanese have more than enough home grown head-cases. Cop-killing rap songs, this is the latest reason the US has the highest murder rate ????

Why do you guys defend this crap. Mum and Dad have a fight ... instead of throwing the remote control they throw bullets. Some one rear ends you and gives you shit ... instead of fists it's guns !

This is why you have the highest murder rate in the world, too many guns that turn temporary disagreements into permanent tragedies. That's it !

PS Many threads have covered this topic, i.e. who cares what an actor/singer/poet has to say ? He may have been good on the screen but let's face it Charlie's no genius.



" Help, help ... I'm being oppressed ... "
User currently offlineRai From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3565 times:

This is why you have the highest murder rate in the world

I believe that title belongs to South Africa.


User currently offlineJcs17 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 8065 posts, RR: 39
Reply 11, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3560 times:

Why post his speech here, MD90? After all, the old guy can't remember what the hell he has said anymore.

There's nothing more dangerous than a gun nut with Alzheimer's. What a combination

Thats real respectful, Alpha 1. Nice job. I dont care if you agree with the guy or not, but have some respect. Real class act you are  Yeah sure






America's chickens are coming home to rooooost!
User currently offlineMD-90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 8502 posts, RR: 12
Reply 12, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3545 times:

Pacificjourney, when was the last time you heard of mom and dad getting into a fight and instead of dad beating mom, he kills her with a gun? Get real...that hardly ever happens.

I like this story, actually:

Priceless senior moments

An elderly Florida lady did her shopping and, upon returning to her car, found four males in the act of leaving with her vehicle. She dropped her shopping bags and drew her handgun, proceeding to scream at them at the top of her voice," I have a gun and I know how to use it! Get out of the car, you degenerates."

The four men didn't wait for a second invitation, but got out and ran like mad, whereupon the lady, somewhat shaken, proceeded to load her shopping bags into the back of the car and got into the driver's seat. She was so shaken that she could not get her key into the ignition. She tried and tried and then it dawned on her why.

A few minutes later she found her own car parked four or five spaces down. She loaded her bags into her car and drove to the police station. The sergeant to whom she told the story nearly tore himself in two with laughter and pointed to the other end of the counter, where four pale white males were reporting a carjacking by a mad elderly woman described as white, less than 5' tall, glasses and curly white hair carrying a large handgun.

No charges were filed.


User currently offlineSccutler From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 5490 posts, RR: 28
Reply 13, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3538 times:

A common reaction of those who encounter well-reasoned and well-presented opinions which differ from their own views, is to deride and belittle the speaker, rather than to try to persuade their audience with an articulate, factually-supported argument.


...three miles from BRONS, clear for the ILS one five approach...
User currently offlinePacificjourney From New Zealand, joined Jul 2001, 2732 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3532 times:

MD-90 says

" ... when was the last time you heard of mom and dad getting into a fight and instead of dad beating mom, he kills her with a gun? Get real...that hardly ever happens."

What planet do you live on ?

Most murders in most countries are the result of domestic disputes, the people involved know each other well. Sorry to bust up fairy land but yes that means mummies and daddies as well.

Ask ANY cop if you don't believe me.



" Help, help ... I'm being oppressed ... "
User currently offlineAviatsiya From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3526 times:

Anything Charlton Heston says I pay no attention to. Not since he spread lies and mistruths about the gun laws in my own country. Lies and mistruths which were printed in the American media. Lies and mistruths which were not obtained from official Australian sources.

Could there be a shift in the planetary planes? It seems that myself and Alpha 1 are agreeing on many things these days  Laugh out loud


User currently offlineKROC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3526 times:

The Japanese have a different culture than ours. And they don't have rappers like Ice-T selling vast amounts of CDs promoting killing cops, like Mr. Heston said. Perhaps something like that is why we have so many murders?

MD-90. You're losing whatever credibility you have quickly. The gun problem and murder rate MUST be because kids are listening to music right? You're nothing more than the typical American trying to blame problems everywhere else but where you should. Listening to music does not lead kids to go out and start killing people. You need to hold the kid accountable first, or whoever has commited a murder, without trying to blame the media, music, movies, ect. You also need to step to the parents as well ,and find out what they have taught their kid about such issues. I was 8 years old and knew the difference between music and T.V. violence, and actual real violence. Why? Because my parents taught me. Stop trying to blame everything else, because if you want to do that, why not leave music alone, and start blaming organized religion. More people die from that everyday than music alone will ever be "responsible" for.

Remember, "Guns don't kill people. Dumb Mutha F**kers with guns kill people."


User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3523 times:

Thats real respectful, Alpha 1. Nice job. I dont care if you agree with the guy or not, but have some respect.

That's the problem, Jcs: I do NOT respect this nut. I don't respect anyone who tries to flood the streets with firearms to protects the 2nd Amendment he and his minions have twisted to mean what it doesn't. There's nothing safe about having 100 million handguns on the streets, and crime and murder rates prove that.

I don't respect him for what he is now, and who he represents. He and the NRA are one of the most dangerous groups in the U.S. today. So don't tell me I HAVE to respect an idiot like him.

Pacificjourney, when was the last time you heard of mom and dad getting into a fight and instead of dad beating mom, he kills her with a gun? Get real...that hardly ever happens.

That's bullshit, MD90, and you know it. It happens all the time! I'll bet at least 2 to 3 times a MONTH, you hear a story like that in Northeast Ohio alone! A guy was arrested recently for just that act; this week, in Cleveland, a man trining to be a Brother in a Catholic Church has been arrested for shooting a Parish Priest http://www.cleveland.com/news/index.ssf?/news/more/ap/12priest09.html

It happens all the time, and to lie like that simply to push your agenda is ridiculous. In both the cases above-indeed, in most of these cases-the person doing the shooting had no record. They were, as the NRA likes to say (and it makes me want to puke) "law-abiding" citizens.

Now, tell me this: how often do you actually see a story of a homeowner, or a store owner pulling out his/her gun, and protecting their property from a burgler? What? Almost never? That's what I thought. Yet that's the line the NRA is constantly pulling-that these people need to DEFEND themselves. It doesn't work that way very often. It's another lie peddled by the gun nuts.

And KROC, can you get me a bumper sticker that says that?  Big thumbs up


User currently offlineHeavymetal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3521 times:

It was Pat Buchanan, Pat Robertson and the far right who declared "war" on their fellow citizens. This whiney lament by Heston just clarifies that he stands behind them.

User currently offlineKROC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3514 times:

I would like to restate my above quote, before I send it off to be made into bumper stickers for Alpha 1.

"Pepole with guns don't kille people. Dumb mutha f**kers with guns kill people."

Check your mail box in 2-4 weeks Alpha 1.  Big grin


User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3501 times:

I'd like to see if Mr. Heston has the guts to spew these words written by his speechwriters in front of James and Sarah Brady. While the speech was entertaining stuff, albeit riddled with logical inconsistencies, not once has Mr. Heston ever presented a valid rationale for allowing the unfettered sales of automatic weapons.

User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3497 times:

I'm rather amazed that nobody here got the whole point of what Heston was talking about. Everyone simply jumps on the gun issue - an easy target about which the speech hardly mentioned, and only as an example.

The point of the speech was that political correctness has become so accepted that any attempt at reasonable debate and a discussion of certain issues is exterminated (with extreme prejudice) by vilifying the one who takes an opposing view, instead of actually trying to meet debate with reason.

Here's the scary part. In the current culture of political correctness, if the civil rights movement led by Dr. King in the 60s happened today, instead of 40 years ago, the response of the majority, with their views of white supremacy, would use their own political correctness as a weapon. How DARE these negros question our vision of right and wrong! How DARE they assume to demand that their voice be heard! How DARE they try to argue their case to us - we don't want to hear it! In any case it's worthless!

That did not happen in the 60's. Well, it did happen in some cases, but eventually, enough people were civilized enough to hear the arguments and begin to question their own beliefs - enough that eventually things began to change and the civil rights movement began to bear fruit.

I'm afraid that in today's environment, the same situation might not happen. Minority opinion is mercilessly squashed. Sometimes even majority opinion. What that tells me is that perhaps society has NOT evolved over the past half-decade. In fact, it may have even regressed.

Some of the responses in this thread show that clearly. Mr. Heston's reasoned arguments in favor of fighting for our beliefs using civil disobedience, not violence, have been met by vilification, calling him senile, a right-winger who has declared war on his fellow citizens, a dangerous idiot, a washed-up has-been, etc. etc.

But I have not seen any one of these politically correct responses actually try to respond to Mr. Heston's allegation - namely, that the holders of unpopular ideas are vilified, and called senile, a right-winger who has declared war on his fellow citizens, a dangerous idiot, a washed-up has-been, etc. etc., instead of debated with according to the merits of their position.

I find the irony both amusing and disappointing. It also proves Mr. Heston's point quite well.

Charles


User currently offlineHeavymetal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3489 times:

And what you don't get Charles is that the phrase "politically correct" has become a luxurious resort hotel where (mostly) conservatives check into when somneone actually challenges their values.

Let me take one of Heston's comments I can relate to:

I've worked with brilliantly talented homosexuals all my life. But when I told an audience that gayrights should extend no further than your rights or my rights, I was called a homophobe

That sounds nice and common sensical doesn't it? What Heston apparently REFUSES to even mentally deal with is the "your rights" part....what right does a gay man have to serve his country? What right does he have to keep his job when he's fired because his boss doesn't like faggots? What right does he have to adopt a child? What right does he have to visit the person he loves in, say, a hospital ER...or give that person his life and possessions in a legal union? The answer is zilch.

Yet to Charlton Heston, this gay man's rights are all complete and safe and snug and secure. And when someone challenges Heston (or many a conservative) to actually ponder that they aren't, that person is demanding a "politically correct" answer.

This has turned into the single most useless phrase in the American lexicon, yet conservatives hide behind it with zeal every day.

So that this nation may long endure, I urge you to follow in the hallowed footsteps of the great disobedience's of history that freed exiles, founded religions, defeated tyrants, and yes, in the hands of an aroused rabble in arms and a few great men, by God's grace, built this country. If Dr. King were here, I think he would agree.

What a pompous hypocrite. It's absolutely mind boggling when a staunch conservative lays claim to progressivism in the same breath as savaging the progressive ideals of today. "If Dr. King we're here...."

And WHY, you concrete-minded bafoon, ISN'T Dr. King here? Because some crazed nut with a gun murdered him.....

(OOOPS! Being 'politically correct'....pardon)






User currently offlineSleekjet From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 2046 posts, RR: 22
Reply 23, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3483 times:

Great speech. Great American. Thanks for the post, MD-90.


II Cor. 4:17-18
User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39698 posts, RR: 75
Reply 24, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3476 times:

Did crime start with Ice-T's 'Cop Killer' LP in 1992?  Confused


I marched for civil rights with Dr. King in 1963 - long before Hollywood found it fashionable. But when I told an audience last year that white pride is just as valid as black pride or red pride or anyone else's pride, they called me a racist.

There are many holidays and celebrations that are Eurocentric in origin and are NOT offensive and many non-Whites celebrate as well.
Those that chant 'White Pride' are the groups that hate non-Whites and feel superior to non-Whites.


I've worked with brilliantly talented homosexuals all my life.

I am sure he had a ball. Big grin


Dr. King said "Negroes." Jimmy Baldwin and most of us on the March said "black." But it's a no-no now.

I am sure he is losing sleep over this one.  Yeah sure

This guy was paranoid that Al Gore was going to take away everyone's gun.


I've read the entire article and I really don't see his point either. They guy is just a mumbling idiot.










Bring back the Concorde
25 N202PA : And what you don't get Charles is that the phrase "politically correct" has become a luxurious resort hotel where (mostly) conservatives check into wh
26 Post contains images Cfalk : Heavymetal, While I don't agree with some of what you are saying, I applaud you for at least trying to argue your case, instead of just calling Mr. He
27 Post contains images Superfly : A wise man once said, "From debate comes knowledge and accomodation. From namecalling comes zilch." Very true. As far as Heston? Not a very wise man.
28 Jcs17 : That's the problem, Jcs: I do NOT respect this nut. I don't respect anyone who tries to flood the streets with firearms to protects the 2nd Amendment
29 Jaysit : . . . That did not happen in the 60's. Well, it did happen in some cases, but eventually, enough people were civilized enough to hear the arguments a
30 Heavymetal : The 2nd Amendment was designed to allow citizens to keep firearms in their place of residence for personal protection, and the NRA was created for thi
31 Post contains links N79969 : Heavymetal, Conservatives might try to check into it Political Correctness "Hotel" but its booked solid through 2015 because a lot of university profe
32 N79969 : Jaysit, You probably would prefer seeing conservatives disparage the ideas of luminaries such as MLK jr. Part of MLK's dream was that every individual
33 Heavymetal : The American college campus will not tolerate conservative faculty members. Hillsdale, Notre Dame, Brigham Young, Liberty, Calvin, Bob Jones.....these
34 Heavymetal : For what it's worth, I agree 100 percent about Jesse. And the true stripes of the media came out today when, after the Trent Lott comments (which were
35 MD-90 : Heavymetal, it is a farce to say that stiffer gun control laws would've stopped Dr. King's murder. If that man was fanatical enough to murder, then ge
36 Heavymetal : We're becoming secular, everyone decides what's right for them, and what's wrong for you may not be wrong for me. Bull! Freedom is bull? I kinda like
37 N79969 : Heavymetal, Your list of schools is probably comprehensive. What's that? 5 or 10 universities. At least 3 were religious. I'll be generous and give yo
38 N79969 : MD-90, "Personally, I think the fact that the people of the United States have turned their backs on their own Christian heritage, is largely to blame
39 N202PA : It is ultra-left wing professors that don't want to have a challenge to the liberal orthodoxy in their tenured presence. The prospect of any conservat
40 Heavymetal : Sorry N. I don't buy it. I didn't buy the 'liberal media' nonsense ten years ago, and I don't buy the argument that there's some leftist fifth column
41 MD-90 : Heavymetal, I wasn't talking about personal freedom. I was referring to moral relativism.
42 Heavymetal : The ability to examine and set one's own moral compass is a freedom, the freedom at the heart of what has made this the best place to live on Earth. (
43 Sccutler : ...and a refreshing wind blew through the forum. It is an unusual twist on A.net, that a politically-charged thread had an initial spate of mindless a
44 GDB : Heston often goes into paranoid overdrive, for instance when Smith & Wesson was owned by a UK company, (Tompkins), they were leading the way with chil
45 Brianhames : Great speech, Heston is the man. Inspite of all you spineless weenies afraid of a gun.
46 PHX-LJU : Brainhames wrote: "Inspite of all you spineless weenies afraid of a gun." And you're not afraid of an instrument that can take a human life in an inst
47 Jaysit : N76609 - ...You probably would prefer seeing conservatives disparage the ideas of luminaries such as MLK jr. Part of MLK's dream was that every indivi
48 Post contains images Alpha 1 : Let me let you in on a little secret; despite what you think, most criminals do not get there guns through legal means.. I'm not even talking about cr
49 Pacificjourney : Alpha1 - Just so you know, I actually like guns AND I'm huge (honest).
50 Sccutler : Jaysit said:The truth is that conservatives have spent the last 4 decades trashing MLK and his ideas. Jaysit, you went over the line there, and you ar
51 Post contains images Alpha 1 : Conservatism is about less government interference in your life.. Is that why the Conservatives are trying-and succeeding-in bringing new government p
52 Superfly : Sccutler: Conservatism is about less government interference in your life, So are you saying that W and Ashcroft are liberals? They have some very int
53 MD-90 : A friend of mine once said that no one should be allowed to die without first reading Letters From a Birmingham City Jail by Martin King Luther, Jr. I
54 Skyguy11 : Tell someone you're the Metatron and they stare at you blankly. Mention something out of a Charleston Heston movie and suddenly everyone's a theology
55 Cfalk : Conservatism is about less government interference in your life, and any attempt to recast conservatism as in any way encouraging or tolerating subjug
56 Jessman : I don't fear guns, I have a healthy respect of firearms and firearm safety. I have taken classes and learned the safe functionality of rifles and hand
57 Heavymetal : If they don't I HOPE they fear rebellion. If you get your wishes, I hope YOU fear rebellion. Your mighty self-possession of "righteousness" is someone
58 N79969 : Heavymetal, I disagree with you. Actually for once I think you are flat out wrong on the facts on this one. I don't doubt your anecdotal evidence but
59 N79969 : "The mere thought that poseurs such as yourself now deliberately twist MLK's message into a doctrine of "lets judge individuals by the content of thei
60 Jaysit : N79969: If it quacks like a bigot, and acts like a bigot, it is a bigot. And, Sir, that is just what you are. I don't know how narrow-minded you are b
61 Post contains images Jcs17 : N79969, excellent post! Jaysit, have you ever written a post without including something writing how racist and bigoted Republicans are? Is the Republ
62 N79969 : Jaysit, "Petulance" Are you playing Scrabble? You would probably do well with all the big words you can use. Wow. So I am a bigot because I do not sub
63 Jaysit : ... and as far as your contentions about contemporary civil rights being the sole domain of the dual boogeymen of Jesse and Al, they're dead wrong aga
64 Jaysit : So petulance is a "big" word now? LOL ! Just what do you read? (Rush Limbaughs internet screeds dont' count). ...So I am a bigot because I do not subs
65 N79969 : Jaysit. Why don’t you respond to Jcs17. Jcs 17 has made thoughtful, insightful comments about the situation of African-Amercicans. You hurl insults
66 Jaysit : . . . You hurl insults and parrot hollow rhetoric as a response . . . !!! HA !! Gosh, you're really hurling stones in that tiny glass house of your m
67 N79969 : Jaysit, Flailing arm level of churlishness...I think you were reading your own posts by accident. Your quote, not mine: "So, go stuff it." Keep that s
68 Jaysit : Stuff it where the sun aint ever gonna shine, Mister. You're as close to John McCain as Anna Nicole Smith is to Gloria Steinhem. What an unrepentant p
69 N79969 : And you're as close to MLK's struggle and as aware of the real problems of African-Americans as the average fan at a Britney Spears concert. As far as
70 Jcs17 : To tell you the truth, I could care less if Jaysit responds to my ideas. His unresponsiveness and attacks against me just make him look even worse. Ca
71 Post contains images Cfalk : I've sat here reading the exchange between N79969 and Jaysit, and I just have to shake my head in wonder. Jaysit, you are walking, talking (typing?) e
72 Jaysit : Oh great, I have the intolerant calling me intolerant. I love it !! The hypocrisy is just flying off this page. The usual litany of nonsense coming fr
73 N202PA : Jaysit, you are walking, talking (typing?) evidence that Heston's speech at the top of this thread was essentially correct. You have attempted to vili
74 N79969 : Jaysit, You volunteered in African-American school- big stinking deal. Are you waiting for canonization? So have I. In fact, I have spent time with La
75 Alpha 1 : "if they disagree with us, let's shut them up by attacking them personally and ignoring the issues involved". This is what precisely makes Heston such
76 Heavymetal : I think this volley was on the wrong thread... N.... Regarding our earlier issue, I guess we'll agree to disagree. I know what you mean when you use t
77 N79969 : Heavymetal, Thanks for the reply. I think the threat is not to society but to true intellectual diversity on college campuses. I acknowledge that ther
78 Jaysit : ...you are an extremely bitter individual that resorts to hysterical hyperbole and owns a thesaurus. Something bad happened to you and you take it out
79 N79969 : Jaysit, Quit reading your own posts and then attributing them to me. Go back to sleep.
80 Jaysit : Well, my posts (according to your own inane sound bites) have BIG words like "petulance." Easy to spot them out from your mud.
81 Jaysit : I was going to use the word "dreck" in lieu of mud. But I figured you'd have to pull out your dictionary.
82 N79969 : Thesaurers are cheap and can be used only for finding synonyms-- not for transforming empty rhetoric into substantive ideast. Remember that.
83 N79969 : At least you're getting your money's worth from that thesaurus....careful or it will be worn out soon.
84 Heavymetal : The BYU's, Bob Jones U, and so on are a non-factor as far as influencing thought. BYU is a non-factor in influencing thought? In Utah? You sure....? T
85 Jaysit : . . .Thesaurers are cheap and can be used only for finding synonyms-- not for transforming empty rhetoric into substantive ideast. Remember that. ..
86 Post contains images Superfly : For example, I marched for civil rights with Dr. King in 1963 - long before Hollywood found it fashionable. Funny he says that! Ronald Reagan was the
87 L-188 : I have to stop reading these postings......It makes my blood pressure rise. Tomorrow I get paid, and tommorrow I am going to go out and buy a new rifl
88 N79969 : Heavymetal, Sure Utah and South Carolina have a few Congressman but I still don't think that BYU and Bob Jones and the rest convert new minds. They at
89 Post contains images L-188 : Oh I forgot to tell yall. Instead of getting the rifle, I got a early 1950's production Ballester-Molnia .45 auto pistol. I think a few of them got sh
90 Alpha 1 : L-188, what is a "gun grabber", by your definition?
91 Pacificjourney : Congrats ! Has your life improved and penis grown as well ?
92 L-188 : My girlfriend ain't complaining Pacificjourny....
93 Pacificjourney : Why is she so happy ? Does she like guns too ?
94 Jaysit : N79969 - We have discussed this before, you paragon of idiocy. The person whose name was brought up is my cousin with a similar name who is a student
95 Jaysit : And while you're busy snooping around Martindale & Hubbell and assorted websites, you need to get your head out of the pearly, white sand and learn th
96 N79969 : Heavymetal, I forgot a couple of things I wanted to write in response to you. I think the business half of the Republican party and the religious half
97 Jaysit : Yaaaaawwwwwwwwwwwwwwn ! Boring. Next.
98 N79969 : Jaysit, Why don't you answer with a simple 'yes' or a 'no'? I think its wonderful that you have a cousin with the almost exact same name, who works in
99 Jaysit : Look, it appears you've lost your mind and are engaging in some dangerous stalking. So, give it a rest, you psycho! My cousin- he of the incredibly co
100 MD-90 : Wow, this thread hasn't died yet. And jeez...getting a little defensive there, aren't we Jaysit? You know what the cops will do if you contact them? N
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