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10th And Last Nimitz Class Carrier Named For......  
User currently offlineB757300 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 4114 posts, RR: 23
Posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1829 times:

Oh Yeah! I see a meltdown by certain people on this forum. Although, maybe with CVN-78 (currently called the "CVX class") we'll go back to normal names like Lexington or Saratoga.

WASHINGTON (AP) -- The Navy named a new aircraft carrier Monday for former President Bush.

The current president's father, who created the international coalition that defeated Iraq and liberated Kuwait in the 1991 Persian Gulf War, said at a Pentagon ceremony he was "overwhelmed by this and very grateful.".........

http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/12/09/bush.aircraftcarrier.ap/index.html


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User currently offlineTWAL1011 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 205 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1798 times:

What kinda ship will Clinton get?

User currently offlineHeavymetal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1797 times:

I was curious about a notable "skip over", but I should have known better....

USS Jimmy Carter (SSN-23) is a submarine....perfectly appropriate for the submariner he was and is.



User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13192 posts, RR: 77
Reply 3, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1781 times:

Could have been worse, could have been the USS Oliver North, or USS Rush Limbaugh or even USS Richard Nixon.
But funny how it will have the same name as the current President, what about USS George Bush Snr? At least he was a naval aviator though.
(What happened to not naming ships after living people? Did the Reagan fetishists set the precedent in getting that rule changed too?)

It will interesting to see what the Royal Navies two CVF's will be named in a few years time.
You want a traditional capital ship name, preferably imposing, better yet old carrier names and the RN tend to have ship classes starting with a theme or the same letter.
So HMS Furious and HMS Formidable then!



User currently offlineTWAL1011 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 205 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1777 times:

What happened to not naming ships after living people?

I thought that was a postage stamp rule.


User currently offlineFlagshipAZ From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3419 posts, RR: 14
Reply 5, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1776 times:

CVN-77 is officially known as USS George H.W. Bush. Hell, it's better than USS William Jefferson Clinton. Remember, George Senior was a WWII naval aviator, flying Avengers off carriers in the Pacific. I think the first ship named after a living person was the Carl Vinson, CVN-70. If Clinton's lucky, he'll get a troop transport named after him, after he passes on someday. Regards.


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User currently offlineWe're Nuts From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5722 posts, RR: 20
Reply 6, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1768 times:

Why is it the last Nimitz class carrier? Do we have a new one on the drawing board?


Dear moderators: No.
User currently offlineFlagshipAZ From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3419 posts, RR: 14
Reply 7, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1764 times:

Yep. The 'next generation' carriers are known as CVX at the moment. They're supposely 2/3rd the size of the Nimitz class, and conventionally powered. However, they are a long way off from tasting salt water. Congress will decide what the final design will be. The Nimitz class carriers will be in service 50 years before they are retired. The Ronald Reagan will probably still be in service when I'm 90 years old, if I'm lucky enough to make it to 90!  Wink/being sarcastic Regards.


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User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13192 posts, RR: 77
Reply 8, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1761 times:

I understand that several attempts to start an all new carrier have started and stopped in the past decade or so. Not that the latest Nimitz ship is indentical to the first one in the built in the 70's.
Now it seems that a 'clean sheet' design has given way to incremental improvements, though there has to be at some point a break from 'improved Nimitz' to something clearly mostly new.
Reducing crew size from over 5000 to something like 4000 at the most, is a design goal.
But I'm sure that others on here will know a lot more about this than me.


User currently offlinePacificjourney From New Zealand, joined Jul 2001, 2732 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 1734 times:

The naming after people who are still living (or even recently deceased) is odd. The potential for needing to do an embarassing name change will always exist.

This 'rule' does usually apply to stamps as well and money for that matter. Someone correct me but is NZ the only country with a living person on their money ? Edmund Hillary is on the $5 note so everyone there hopes he doesn't turn out to have any dark secrets....



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User currently offlineUSAir767 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 190 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 1731 times:

Hey at least those sailors get a carrier named after a president the Carrier I am stationed on is the USS Carl Vinson named after a senator (CVN-70)

User currently offlineB757300 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 4114 posts, RR: 23
Reply 11, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 1729 times:

Oh, before anyone blows a gasket, there is a good chance the ship will never be commissioned with that name. Most carriers get a name change between the time after the "official naming" and before commissioning. CVN-76, U.S.S. Ronald Reagan was originally named U.S.S. United States but Congress had the name changed before she was commissioned. Like I said before, I hope when the next class of carrier is launched, we go back to normal names. I would hate for the U.S.S. Enterprise (carrier to be replaced by CVNX-78) to be replaced by a carrier that doesn’t have a famous name such as Lexington, Saratoga, Yorktown, Hornet, etc. Although Yorktown is currently taken by a Ticonderoga class guided missile cruiser.

Also, please note that two other former Presidents are having ships named for them. Richard M. Nixon is having an eavesdropping ship named for him while the William J. Clinton will be the next generation garbage scow. Laugh out loud



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User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 1724 times:

Maybe we should name a new-age Battleship the U.S.S. Charlton Heston, since there'd be so many big guns on it.  Laugh out loud

Chances are Clinton will get a warship named after him. It's a tradition to have a ship named after a president. I think there is already a Richard M. Nixon, is there not?


User currently offlineB757300 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 4114 posts, RR: 23
Reply 13, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 1712 times:

LOL! I'd love to see a new battleship in service but the chances of that happening are almost zero. Anyway, I'm not sure if there is a Nixon. If there is, it is probably a supply ship. The only active ship, excluding the carriers, that I see named for a President is DDG.80, U.S.S. Roosevelt. I don't know if it is Teddy or F.D.R. but F.D.R. did have a Midway class carrier named for him. That carrier was to have been the U.S.S. Coral Sea but that name was passed to the next carrier so they could name the ship in honor of the recently dead President.


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User currently offlineFlagshipAZ From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3419 posts, RR: 14
Reply 14, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 1692 times:

CVN-71 is named USS Theodore Roosevelt. The now-scrapped CVA-42 was named after Franklin D. Roosevelt. Currently DDG-80 is named USS Roosevelt.
There is no US Naval vessel named after former President Nixon. And Clinton will be hard-pressed to have anything named after him. Former President Gerald Ford has a better chance having a ship named after him instead. He was based on the carrier Randolph during WWII. The USS George H.W. Bush is likely to stand. To rename the ship after Mr Bush has been informed is an insult. Regards.



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User currently offlineHeavymetal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 1687 times:

For FDR to have a mere AEGIS destroyer named after him is kindy smarmy. You can tell there's agenda at work....

In all of the 20th century the White House was never occupied by someone to whom the US Navy owed more than Franklin D. Roosevelt. His risked his political career to ramrod through the creation of a "two ocean" navy. FDR put the task of a Pacific victory in the hands of the Navy, with all services reporting to Chester Nimitz.

And to the howls of protest, he also made sure the Navy, even in pre-war, had enough funds to build what at the time was still a very expensive, untested platform called an "aircraft carrier".

This Republican fetish with naming everything in sight after either Reagan or Bush I (God only knows how hog-wild they'll go after Reagan actually dies...maybe we can name Dulles after Reagan too, and, like Paris, have our "Reagan 1" and "Reagan 2" airports) may honor two Republican heros, but it slights a man who oversaw the battle that allowed us to remain the country we are.


User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1681 times:

Heavymetal, in all fairness, I do think there was a Carrier named after him at one point, but it's been retired. I do admit it's strange to have an Abraham Lincoln as a carrier, 150 years after his death, and FDR not having one, but whether that's just politics at work, or coincidence, I'm not sure.

If we see one getting named after Rush Limbaugh, then we'll know the answer. I wouldn't put it by these right-wing bozo's in Congress to do so, however.


User currently offlineB757300 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 4114 posts, RR: 23
Reply 17, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1684 times:

Heavy, the two above posts. F.D.R. did have a carrier named for him. CV-42 was the U.S.S. Franklin D. Roosevelt.






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User currently offlineHeavymetal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1675 times:

That's right, I believe it was an Essex class WWII era vessel.

There was also the "Big E", the original USS Enterprise. But there's a newer Enterprise too. ??

I "get" the USS Ronald Reagan, but I just think the USS George HW Bush is a little premature, that's all. Not detracting from his noble Pacific service, the guy was a mediocre President (where's the carrier USS LBJ? Exactly.) and as far as him being the man "who created the international coalition that defeated Iraq and liberated Kuwait in the 1991 Persian Gulf War", well, all I can say is that there are Nimitz class ships in the Persian Gulf right now waiting to clean up unfinished business.

But hey, if we're gonna name the big carriers after Presidents good and bad now, name away. I kinda preferred the old methods.



User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1669 times:

I still find it bizarre to name the most important capital ships after people, even presidents, some of whom are still living.

Whatever happened to proud names such as Lexington, Saratoga, Yorktown, Intrepid, Independance, Midway, etc.?

By the way, I don't believe any naval vessel should carry a man's name if he never served in uniform. If Clinton's followers want to name a ship after him, let it be a cruise liner or other civilian vessel.

Charles



User currently offlineB757300 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 4114 posts, RR: 23
Reply 20, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1668 times:

The U.S.S. Franklin D. Roosevelt was a Midway class carrier which was the successor to the Essex class. The Midway class (Midway, F.D.R. and Coral Sea) were the last U.S. carriers of the WWII era building programs with the F.D.R. being decommissioned in 1978, the Coral Sea being decommissioned in 1991 and the Midway in 1992. Coral Sea and F.D.R. were sold for scrap while Midway is stored in Bremerton, Washington and is planned for conversion into a museum.

Again, I hope that CVN-78 will have a normal name like Lexington or Saratoga.

U.S.S. Midway (top) passes U.S.S. Essex (bottom) in 1947. You can see the size difference in the ships. The Midways were superior in every way to the Essex class and incorporated every lesson learned during WWII.




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User currently offlineHeavymetal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1663 times:

I agree with you Charles, on the naming issue. Actually I hope USS United States is rekindled on something down the line...

As to point two, like it or not, you were a "Clinton follower" for 8 years. The man was President of The United States, for better or much worse. Otherwise, you're in the same boat as one of these bitchy liberals pining off about how "Bush isn't their President." You're one in the same. Respect the office if not the man....carriers and subs and destroyers dont get named after men. They get named after Presidents.

FDR never served in uniform but his cunning led to the defeat of the most powerful military since Charlemagne. He also was the fuel that fired the creation of the modern bluewater navy. Should we forward his name to Carnival Cruises?

In my opinion, George Dubya never served in uniform either....he may have worn it during that cozy little daddy-provided haven from Viet Nam (while some of us gave our family's dearest blood), but doing a few hours airtime in an F4 over New Mexico does not a hero make.


User currently offlineB757300 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 4114 posts, RR: 23
Reply 22, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1663 times:

For anyone who cares, here is a list of all U.S. carriers starting with CV-1.

C.V. 1 U.S.S. Langley
Disposition: Sunk 27 February 1942 as a result of enemy action at the Battle of the Java Sea

C.V. 2 U.S.S. Lexington
Disposition: Sunk 8 May, 1942 as a result of enemy action at the Battle of the Coral Sea

C.V. 3 U.S.S. Saratoga
Disposition: Used as atomic bomb target at “Operations Crossroads” and sunk at Bikini Atoll on 26 July, 1946.

C.V. 4 U.S.S. Ranger
Disposition: Sold for Scrap 31 Jan, 1947

C.V. 5 U.S.S. Yorktown
Disposition: Sunk 7 June, 1942 as a result of enemy action at the Battle of Midway

C.V. 6 U.S.S. Enterprise
Disposition: Sold for Scrap 1 July, 1958

C.V. 7 U.S.S. Wasp
Disposition: Sunk 15 September, 1942 as a result of enemy action in the Solomon Islands

C.V. 8 U.S.S. Hornet
Disposition: Sunk 26 October, 1942 as a result of enemy action at the Battle of the Santa Cruz Islands

C.V. 9 U.S.S. Essex
Disposition: Sold for Scrap 1 June, 1975

C.V. 10 U.S.S. Yorktown II
Disposition: Preserved as museum in Charleston, S.C. 13 Nov, 1975

C.V. 11 U.S.S. Intrepid
Disposition: Preserved as museum in New York City, N.Y.

C.V. 12 U.S.S. Hornet II
Disposition: Stricken from Navy List 26 May, 1970
Under repair for use as a museum

C.V. 13 U.S.S. Franklin
Disposition: Sold for Scrap 1966

C.V. 14 U.S.S. Ticonderoga
Disposition: Sold for Scrap 1 Sept, 1975

C.V. 15 U.S.S. Randolph
Disposition: Sold for Scrap 1 April, 1975

C.V. 16 U.S.S. Lexington II
Disposition: Preserved as a museum in Corpus Christi, Texas

C.V. 17 U.S.S. Bunker Hill
Disposition: Sold for Scrap November 1973

C.V. 18 U.S.S. Wasp II
Disposition: Sold for Scrap 21 May, 1973

C.V. 19 U.S.S. Hancock
Disposition: 1 Sept, 1976

C.V. 20 U.S.S. Bennington
Disposition: Sold for Scrap 1 Dec, 1994

C.V. 21 U.S.S. Boxer
Disposition: Sold for Scrap 13 March, 1971

C.V.L. 22 U.S.S. Independence
Disposition: Sunk as target 29 Jun, 1951

C.V.L. 23 U.S.S. Princeton
Disposition: Sunk 24 October, 1944 as a result of enemy action at the Battle of Leyte Gulf

C.V.L. 24 U.S.S. Belleau Wood
Disposition: Sold for Scrap November 1962

C.V.L. 25 U.S.S. Cowpens
Disposition: Sold for Scrap November 1961

C.V.L. 26 U.S.S. Monterey
Disposition: Sold for Scrap May 1971

C.V.L. 27 U.S.S. Langley II
Disposition: Sold for Scrap 19 February, 1964

C.V.L. 28 U.S.S. Cabot
Disposition: Sold for Scrap 10 September, 1999

C.V.L. 29 U.S.S. Bataan
Disposition: Sold for Scrap May 1961

C.V.L. 30 U.S.S. San Jacinto
Disposition: Sold for Scrap 1 June, 1970

C.V. 31 U.S.S. Bon Homme Richard
Disposition: Sold for Scrap 4 Feb, 1992

C.V. 32 U.S.S. Leyte
Disposition: Sold for Scrap 1971

C.V. 33 U.S.S. Kearsarge
Disposition: Sold for Scrap 1 March, 1974

C.V. 34 U.S.S. Oriskany
Disposition: To be sold for scrap

C.V. 35 (U.S.S. Reprisal)
Disposition: Never completed nor commissioned. Sold for Scrap Nov, 1949

C.V. 36 U.S.S. Antietam
Disposition: Sold for Scrap 1 Dec, 1973

C.V. 37 U.S.S. Princeton II
Disposition: Sold for Scrap

C.V. 38 U.S.S. Shangri-La
Disposition: Sold for Scrap 9 Aug, 1988

C.V. 39 U.S.S. Lake Champlain
Disposition: Sold for Scrap 28 April, 1972

C.V. 40 U.S.S. Tarawa
Disposition: Sold for Scrap

C.V.B/C.V.A./C.V. 41 U.S.S. Midway
Disposition: On Hold for use as a museum and/or memorial

C.V.B/C.V.A./C.V. 42 U.S.S. Franklin D. Roosevelt
Disposition: Sold for Scrap 1 April, 1978

C.V.B/C.V.A./C.V. 43 U.S.S. Coral Sea
Disposition: Sold for Scrap 7 May, 1993

C.V.B. 44 (Canceled)

C.V. 45 U.S.S. Valley Forge
Disposition: Sold for Scrap 29 Oct, 1971

C.V.B (U.S.S. Iwo Jima)
Disposition: Canceled

C.V. 47 U.S.S. Philippine Sea
Disposition: Sold for Scrap 23 March 1971

C.V.L. 48 U.S.S. Saipan
Disposition: Sold for Scrap 6 June, 1976

C.V.L. 49 U.S.S. Wright
Disposition: Sold for Scrap 1 Aug, 1980

C.V. 50 (Canceled)
C.V. 51 (Canceled)
C.V. 52 (Canceled)
C.V. 53 (Canceled)
C.V. 54 (Canceled)
C.V. 55 (Canceled)
C.V.B. 56 (Canceled)
C.V.B. 57 (Canceled)

C.V.A. 58 (U.S.S. United States)
Disposition: Laid Down 18 April, 1949. Canceled on 23 Apr, 1949. Scrapped on the slip.

C.V.A/C.V. 59 U.S.S. Forrestal
Disposition: On hold for use as a museum

C.V.A./C.V. 60 U.S.S. Saratoga II
Disposition: Berthed at the Navel Education and Training Center, Newport R.I. 7 Aug, 1998

C.V.A./C.V. 61 U.S.S. Ranger
Disposition: In inactive reserve in the Navel Inactive Ship Maintenance Facility, Bremerton, Washington

C.V.A/C.V. 62 U.S.S. Independence
Disposition: In inactive reserve in the Navel Inactive Ship Maintenance Facility, Bremerton, Washington

C.V.A/C.V. 63 U.S.S. Kitty Hawk
Disposition: Oldest U.S. Carrier In Service. Only Forward Deployed Carrier. Based In Yokosuka, Japan. To be replaced in 2008 by C.V.N. 77

C.V.A/C.V. 64 U.S.S. Constellation
Disposition: In Service. Based in San Diego, California. To be replaced in 2003 by C.V.N. 76, U.S.S. Ronald Reagan

C.V.A.N./C.V.N. 65 U.S.S. Enterprise II
Disposition: In Service. Based in Norfolk, Virginia. To be replaced in 2013 by C.V.N. 78

C.V.A/C.V. 66 U.S.S. America
Disposition: Stricken from Navy list, 30 Oct, 1998. To be sold for scrap

C.V.A./C.V. 67 U.S.S. John F. Kennedy
Disposition: In Service. Based in Mayport, Florida. May be moved to Yokosuka To Replace the Kitty Hawk in 2008. To be replaced in 2018 by C.V.N. 79

C.V.N. 68 U.S.S. Nimitz
Disposition: In Service Based in Norfolk, Virginia

C.V.N 69 U.S.S. Dwight D. Eisenhower
Disposition: In Service Based in Norfolk, Virginia

C.V.N. 70 U.S.S. Carl Vinson
Disposition: In Service Based in Bremerton, Washington

C.V.N 71 U.S.S. Theodore Roosevelt
Disposition: In Service Based in Hampton Roads, Virginia

C.V.N. 72 U.S.S. Abraham Lincoln
Disposition: In Service Based in Everett, Washington

C.V.N 73 U.S.S. George Washington
Disposition: In Service Based in Hampton Roads, Virginia

C.V.N. 74 U.S.S. John C. Stennis
Disposition: In Service Based in San Diego, California

C.V.N 75 U.S.S. Harry S. Truman
Disposition: In Service Based in Hampton Roads, Virginia

C.V.N 76 U.S.S. Ronald Reagan
Disposition: Launched 10, Mar. 2001. In service 2003 to replace U.S.S. Constellation

C.V.N 77 U.S.S. George H.W. Bush
Disposition: Building. To be commissioned in 2009 to replace U.S.S. Kitty Hawk



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User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13192 posts, RR: 77
Reply 23, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 1634 times:

If it is felt not appropriate to name carriers after Presidents who did not serve in uniform, what's the USS Ronald Reagan all about?
Funny how he and John Wayne managed to avoid WW2 service, James Stewart and Clark Gable served.
And Bush jnr did not fly F-4's, (it he had he'd likely gone to Vietnam, he flew bomber-interceptor, F-102's, not deployed in Vietnam, save for some Japanese based ones deployed early in the war and found to be unsuitable, as you'd expect from an aircraft designed only to shoot down large Soviet bombers).
Whether that had any significance to the ANG unit he applied to, I don't know.
I do know that Clinton was not the first to dodge service.


User currently offlineFlagshipAZ From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3419 posts, RR: 14
Reply 24, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 1633 times:

President Reagan spent WWII making training films for the US Army Air Force. He was commissioned as a cavalry officer and was released after V-J day. John Wayne was 4F...denied service in the US Navy because of a ruptured eardrum. Plus he was married & had 4 kids as well. The Duke felt he was singled out & was bitterly disappointed not being allowed to serve. Regards.


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25 Cfalk : I think any military service is fine - as long as you put on the uniform and reported for duty wherever the military decides you can best serve. It do
26 B757300 : Actually, CV-1, U.S.S. Langley was named for a person. If I remember correctly, his name was Samuel P. Langley and he was an early pioneer in aviation
27 FlagshipAZ : In regards to battlecruisers, there were two in the US Navy at the time of WWII. CB-1 USS Alaska, commissioned 1944, scrapped 1961. CB-2 USS Guam, com
28 Cfalk : Oops. Thanks for the correction. I should have done more research. I wish the Battlecruisers had stayed around longer. They were some of the most beau
29 B757300 : The problem with the entire Battlecruiser concept was their use. During the Battle of Jutland, the three major British capital ships lost were all bat
30 Airplanenut : What happened to not naming ships after living people? I thought that was a postage stamp rule. Don't know about stamps, but it's certainly a coin rul
31 FlagshipAZ : Regarding the battleships of the US Navy...you'll be glad to know that there are 8 battlewagons still with us. 6 which will probably never see service
32 GDB : Interesting about Reagan and Wayne, however I cited Gable and Steward as they saw front line service, despite being bigger Hollywood stars at the time
33 B757300 : U.S.S. Wisconsin is either undergoing or about to undergo conversion into a museum. Only the Iowa is still in reserve and she would need a lot of work
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