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Why Is It That Everyone Bashes The US But NO ONE..  
User currently offlineUal747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (11 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 4017 times:

Now, don't get me wrong. I love visiting other countries. I love history, culture, and people. I speak 3 languages, I've studied abroad, and have many frends abroad, but there is something I just dont understand....

Why is it that some people make it a hobby to bash the US? It's like everytime I turn around, all I hear is how the US is responsible for everyone elses problems. Like, it's our fault that UK beef was contaminated with mad cow disease, or its Pan American Airways fault that the Japanese attacked the US, or it's the US's fault that Saddam treats his people so badly, or its the US's fault that England beats France in soccer, or its the US's fault for the demise of Swissair, or its the US's fault that Afghanistan is a breeding ground for terrorists, or its the US's fault that British people have bad teeth, or its the US's fault that there was so much flooding in Europe this year, or it's the US's fault that terrorists bombed a club in Bali, or it's the US's fault that Sydney is not having good weather at the moment, etc. etc, etc, etc, etc.....

Honestly, I beg you to ask yourself what would happen if the US took an isolationist standpoint in the world. I beg you to ask yourself how many would starve, how many would be killed, how many would be poor, how many would suffer. Are we wrong about certain things? Of course. Just as your countries are wrong about MANY things as well. But you know what, you don't hear about your countries wrong doings, unless its something big. WHY? Because a lot of the countries in question, in fact all of the countries in question have nowhere near their political or economic standing as the US does.

It is not our fault that US has developed so quickly, in fact, I put the blame on all of the other countries besides us. All the US is is a large peice of land full of immigrants. Yes, immigrants. People who came here because of the harsh regimes that are, or were once a part of all the countries in the world. They left you, and came to us. They made it better, and you suffered for it. No fault of our own. With the exception of the slave issue, the US is full of immigrants who wanted to come here and make it, and they did.

Now, onto politics. You gripe because you say the US is too involved with other countries politics. Fair enough. However, US involvement around the world has led to peace, prosperity, and happiness, whether you believe it or not. Sure, there have been those instances where the US has generally screwed up; however, their triumphs greatly outweigh their failures. You may not agree with everything we do, but for the most part, it is for the better of society, not the worse. You call is imperialists, but then again, I beg you to look at the European countries past, and then I think you will find the true meaning of Imperialism.

How many of you want to visit the US? A lot, and many of you have. You all enjoy the luxuries that come from this country, but you will always deny this. Why? I guess thats what Im trying to understand. We have given the world SO much, and done so much for humanity, yet you still gripe and complain that its not enough. Pitty you. You people look for a scape goat for the worlds problems, and you find it through us.

What I find amazing is you hardly EVER see a US citizen on here constantly criticize and bash other countries. We are not like that for the most part. I just don't understand the mentality of other people who do this to the US. So why is it the US is destined to be "Damned If we do, and damned if we dont?"
I think its a load of crap. Honestly, I wish, just for one year, the US would take a completely isolationist point of view. Close its boarders, close trade, cut off aid to the rest of the world, cut off our media, our products, our business. Let's see how well you do..... (of course, yes I know the US would suffer, but it would be a neat idea).

UAL747

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User currently offlineKeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (11 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 3993 times:

Poor USA , everybody hates us ...

This bad outside world, they don't understand ..

Let's be proud to be American !

Do I hear the Stars & Stripes ?





User currently offlineAOMlover From France, joined Jul 2001, 1305 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (11 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 3982 times:

"What I find amazing is you hardly EVER see a US citizen on here constantly criticize and bash other countries"
Ahem...  Yeah sure


User currently offlineOvelix From Greece, joined Aug 1999, 639 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (11 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 3964 times:

Harold Pinter has written:

"How can any country, in the light of such blanket condemnation of its policies and actions, not pause to take a little thought, not subject itself to even the mildest and most tentative critical scrutiny?

The answer is quite simple. If you believe you still call all the shots you just don't give a shit. You say, without beating about the bush: Yes, sure, I am biased and arrogant and in many respects ignorant but so what? I possess the economic and military might to back me to the hilt and I don't care who knows it. When I say that I also occupy the moral high ground, you'd better believe it".

The whole article can be found at http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/US_ThirdWorld/Never_happened.html


User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (11 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3956 times:

Honestly, I wish, just for one year, the US would take a completely isolationist point of view. Close its boarders, close trade, cut off aid to the rest of the world, cut off our media, our products, our business. Let's see how well you do..... (of course, yes I know the US would suffer, but it would be a neat idea).

You are right of course - it will never happen. Too many American workers would be thrown out of their jobs.

But it would be fun to see the rest of the world, particularly in the Middle East scratching their heads and saying, "What? We still have the same problems - in fact they are getting worse."

Maybe, just maybe, people would start to realize that their problems are their own fault and their own responsibility to fix.

Charles


User currently offlineEGGD From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 12443 posts, RR: 35
Reply 5, posted (11 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3947 times:

I agree with the quote Ovelix has posted AND Cfalk.

Its possible you know!!

I think that the USA does do alot for other countries, but it also does what it wants, and thats what annoys some people. The mentality that 'we can do it because we can' doesn't work to well. But the USA still does alot for the rest of the world despite the slight arrogance/ignorance etc..

Problem is, if you help someone, someone else is going to get angry (either for being on the wrong end of the help, or not getting any help!).

Oh well.


User currently offlineRai From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (11 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3927 times:

You know, it was Bush’s platform in the 2000 elections to take a more isolationist stance in terms of foreign policy. It is that reason why I voted for him. He was fulfilling his campaign promise until…well, you know.

They hate our greed, but they love our dollars.

They hate our policy, but they hate when we do nothing even more.

They hate our zealous patriotism, but they are guilty of overzealous “criticism”.

They hate our “culture”, but rush to buy our products.

They hate our weapons, but they rush to build the same ones.

Well, you get the point. I don’t call it jealousy, but hypocrisy. The world would be a much better place without it…


User currently offlineKLAX From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (11 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3916 times:

Let's be proud to be American !

Yes, lets! I'm real sorry that where I come from patriotism and a love for one's country is encouraged.  Insane


-CLovis



User currently offlineB757300 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 4114 posts, RR: 23
Reply 8, posted (11 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3915 times:

I think most here bash the U.S. for one of two reasons. One because they are jealous of the success, wealth, and power of the United States compared to their country. The other most likely reason is they just don't want to admit that the problems of their country are THEIR fault so they do the classic human behavior of shifting it to the most visible entity.

Now please excuse me, I must go put on my asbestos suit.



"There is no victory at bargain basement prices."
User currently offlineZauberfloete From Austria, joined Nov 2000, 302 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (11 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3913 times:

It is not everyone that bashes the USA. It is foremost the "left" and fare left political side.
Therefore they blame e.g. the USA for "bombing down" afghanistan, while in reality the US operations there hardly damaged that country at all. I know, some incidents happend, but the whole afghanistan operation is a very small one.
Afghanistan was completely destroyed by the UdSSR, but that is not mentioned by the Lefties nowadays.
Also the extreme war in Tchetchnia is nor recognized by the left wing. I mean 50000 russian troops flattening an entire country back to stoneage - no one seems really concerned. And the Iraq issue is the same.
The communists and socialists have there point of view that they will never change, whatever the USA does. The US will allways be bashed by them as beeing "imperialistic" (boy I hate that childish point of view...), whatever the USA does.


User currently offlineDeanBNE From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (11 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3910 times:

Oh please don't any of you see the real issue here? The US has produced three offerings to the world that to this day we cannot forgive you for.





The Cosby Show, The Facts of Life and Punky Brewster.

Cheers,
Dean


User currently offlineRai From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (11 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3904 times:

What's not to like about Punky?



User currently offlineEGGD From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 12443 posts, RR: 35
Reply 12, posted (11 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3883 times:

One because they are jealous of the success, wealth, and power of the United States compared to their country.

Thanks for proving my point.


User currently offlineArrow From Canada, joined Jun 2002, 2676 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (11 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3880 times:
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UAL747 --

I lived in the US for ten years, went to school there, still have family living there. And I bash the US from time to time -- usually when its Commerce Department smacks a Canadian industry with a trumped-up tariff and throws thousands of people out on the street. I'm also quite happy to praise the US when I think it has done something good, and like other Canadians, I felt terrible for you all when 9/11 happened -- and I still do.

But -- I understand why you are upset. A lot of US bashing goes way over the top, and it does ignore all the good the country has done. American money rebuilt Europe and Japan after the war and we all conveniently forget that.

There's no quick or simple answer to the question why -- but here are a few to think about.

1. The US is on top -- the most powerfull and technologically successful nation the world has ever seen. Envy always sparks unfair criticism. Like every other world power before you, you need to develop a thicker skin.

2. Generally speaking (you appear to be one of the exceptions to this), Americans know almost nothing about other countries, unless there is some direct connection that happens to be in the news. US media totally ignore the rest of the world (again, unless there's some direct connection). For an illustration, compare the BBC World report, or even the CBC National News, with any of the nightly US newscasts and you'll see what I mean.

3. No one else in the world gets any credit for any thing. You made a comment yourself about the world benefitting from "all the luxuries" that come from the U.S. They don't all come from the U.S. Here's a trivial example of what gets people's backs up: Hollywood just made a movie about how the US Navy during the war captured a German submarine (U-275???) and a copy of the German Enigma encryption machine and how important that was to the war effort. Trouble is, the US Navy had nothing to do with it -- it was the Royal Navy. But a movie about the Royal Navy wouldn't attract an American audience, so...history was revised. Don't underestimate how big an impact Hollywood has on the rest of the world.

4. Americans tell the world they invented democracy. They didn't, and other democratic nations resent that. It's not a knock on American-style democracy -- just a request that you temper the rhetoric a little.

I'm sure others can come up with lots of other reasons why they flail away at the US -- but most of it is because you're big and powerful and you use the power for both beneficial and not-so-beneficial results.

One final note -- please don't withdraw from the world. That would be the beginning of a very quick decline for the US because a good chunk of the rest of world would be forced to get along without you -- and they would. That would mean some other nation (or block of nations) would be the world power.

Personally -- if I have to pick one nation in the world (other than my own, of course) to be a superpower -- I'll still stick with the US. You are better at it than most of your detractors would be.

cheers




Never let the facts get in the way of a good story.
User currently offlineStaffan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (11 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3865 times:

If you want to be and are in a leading position, you are always going to have alot of negative feedback, humans unfortunately work that way, it's only the negative feedback that is heard. In a smaller scale, just look at this site, Johan spends alot of time and effort running it, and what does he get back? complaints complaints complaints... Even though what he provides with a.net by far outweighs the flaws of the site, most of the feedback he gets is complaints.

"What I find amazing is you hardly EVER see a US citizen on here constantly criticize and bash other countries."

If you say so...


Staffan


User currently offlineRai From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (11 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3861 times:

Arrow, you bring up some interesting points and I do agree with a lot of them, actually, but…

2. Generally speaking (you appear to be one of the exceptions to this), Americans know almost nothing about other countries, unless there is some direct connection that happens to be in the news. US media totally ignore the rest of the world (again, unless there's some direct connection). For an illustration, compare the BBC World report, or even the CBC National News, with any of the nightly US newscasts and you'll see what I mean.

I lived in Canada for 14 years, hold Canadian citizenship, was educated there and my family still lives up there. I can’t say that Canadians are truly that much more knowledgeable when it comes to world events or other countries than Americans are. And don’t kid yourself by saying the CBC is that great of a news source. I’ll agree that Americans certainly should do more to educate themselves about the rest of the world, but I don’t believe they are worse off than in Canada. Generally speaking, Canadians themselves are guilty are horrible stereotypes about Americans that would be eliminated if they educated themselves more about the country instead of relying on what the CBC says. That is as bad if not worse than being just ignorant.


User currently offlineKolobokman From Russia, joined Oct 2000, 1180 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (11 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3839 times:

No one is bashing US!
Yes, there is a certain number of people who voice a little healthy criticism, but they provide evidence to their bashing and deserve to be heard!
There is also a small number of idiots who bash, but there are some in every country. They are very easy to spot and ignore.

Ual747,
care to provide some serious examples of the bashing that concern you? The list you have up there is a joke.

-Я есть ARTIOM



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User currently offlineAirways1 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 1999, 560 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (11 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3832 times:

UAL747,

you raise a lot of questions and issues in your thread-starter. Firstly, I think it is only a very small number of people who actually make it a hobby the bash the US, and each of those poeple probably have their own individual reasons. Most people who criticize the US, do so for a legitimate reason, and not just for the sake of bashing. Unfortunately many people cannot take criticism or see the other person's viewpoint when criticized, and just regards it as bashing. This is an unfortunate trait of many people, and since blind patriotism is much stronger in the US than many other countries, US citizens tend to regard any kind of criticism, constuctive or otherwise, as bashing.

Anyway, I think people very rarely 'bash' the US for any of the reasons you quoted, such as "its Pan American Airways fault that the Japanese attacked the US, or it's the US's fault that Saddam treats his people so badly". Rather, it's more often than not related to the US's foreign and environmental policies, which tend to possess 'isolationist' aspects, in the sense that a lot of those policies are based purely on a blinkered US world-view, rather than taking world opinion into account. So from this perspective, if the US did adopt an isolationist point of view, the consequences may not be as drastic as you imagine.

You wrote, "US involvement around the world has led to peace, prosperity, and happiness, whether you believe it or not." You have stated this as though it's fact, regardless of whether one agress or disagrees, displaying again the arrogance so characteristic of some people in the US, paralleled in the US's foreign policy. OK, US involvement, as well as involvement from other countries has led to peace in some situations, but there are just as many examples of where this is not the case, such as Vietnam and Somalia. And in answer to your question, how many people would starve, be killed, be poor and suffer if the US were to be isolationist, why should it be any more than now? There are poeple starving in North Korea, Zimbabwe, Ethiopia, people killed in Nigeria, Indonesia, Colombia, poor in Haiti, Afghanistan, Cuba and suffer in swathes of Africa, with the US and the rest of the world doing far too little to help, the difference if the US stopped would be minimal. And no, US involvement in Haiti, Afghanistan, Cuba, Iraq etc. hasn't led to the peace, prosperity and happiness that you claim.

Your point, about European imperialism is taken, however, we in Europe realise this was a wrong, and is consigned to history. The point is, Europe has learnt from it's mastakes, and not repeated them.

What I find amazing is you hardly EVER see a US citizen on here constantly criticize and bash other countries.
Well, the only thing I can say to this is that it's completely untrue. It's just that most other people don't react so defensively and perpetuate the argument.

And how well would the world do if the US were to become isolationist? Probably not as badly as you'd hope. You see, most of what's available from the US is available from elsewhere. Some people may choose to use US-made consumables, but that's all it is, a choice. If these things weren't available from the US, there are plenty of other supplies to more than meet the world's needs. Technology? Japan and Europe. Oil? The middle east. I think those who'd suffer the most would be the US, all your exports gone, and where would you get your oil? Still, it would be interesting to see.

Another point, not directly related to your post, but I see many other posters from the US saying things like 'If the US is so bad, why are people from all over the world scrambling to get to the US?'. The distinction has to be made between life in the US, which is undeniably comparatively good, and the effect the US has on the rest of the world. True, many people would like to have the quality of life available in the US, but these aren't the poeple who tend to 'bash' the US. It's rather those who live in other countries that are affected negatively by the US's policies. They may not wish to live in the US, they may just wish the US would stop interfering with them.



User currently offlineAviatsiya From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (11 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3812 times:

UAL747, if you expect me to take you seriously in this thread, I would implore you to read and respond to my last post on this thread:

http://www.airliners.net/discussions/non_aviation/read.main/312424/

Because I never did blame Pan Am for the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbour.

You are inventing things here in your own mind to try and make a point; a point which loses all meaning if you use false information or accusations to try and make it.


User currently offlineNormalSpeed From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (11 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3807 times:

I think what UAL is getting at here is that any one of us could nit-pick, and select things about other countries that we dislike, and harp on them. Not very many of us do that, thank goodness. But there seems to be an inordinate amount of crititcizm of the US. And there seems to be an unwritten rule: Non-Americans have carte blanche to say what ever they want, regardless of how much it might offend Americans. But Americans do not have the same priviledge. Americans' criticizm of other countries is labled "ignorance" and/or "arrogance."

Now, I'm not saying that all the criticizm that America recieves is undue. I know my country isn't perfect; I love it anyway. I'm just saying that there is sort of a double standard here, and that I would hope that people would be fair in their criticizm of the US. That's all.

'Speed


User currently offlineArrow From Canada, joined Jun 2002, 2676 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (11 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3805 times:
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Rai --

OK -- I'll accept some of what you say about Canadians and the CBC. I didn't mean to hold it up as a bastion of great journalisim, because it has lots of flaws, as you point out. But I still maintain it has a more comprehensive world view than anything you'll see on ABC, NBC, or CBS.

However, put an average American and average Canadian on the hot seat and start asking each of them questions about the other country; and you'll find that the Canadian has a pretty thorough grasp of US history, geography, and even politics. The American will be hard-pressed to tell you anything about Canada, other than its somewhere up north and they play hockey.

What's discouraging about this is the fact that the U.S. and Canada have the largest two-way trade of any two nations in the world. No one buys more from Canada than the US, and no one buys more from the US than Canada. That has been true for decades. You would think, based on that, and based on the fact that we're next-door neighbours, that a little more Canadian stuff might show up in US school curriculums. But stop people randomly on the streets of New York and ask them who is the U.S. largest trading partner? Most of them will pick Japan.

I think that's why the US Commerce Department can wreak havoc on Canadian exports and trade in general (which they've done lately) without a murmur from anyone in the US. Out of sight, out of mind.




Never let the facts get in the way of a good story.
User currently offlineUal747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (11 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3798 times:

To address my thread starter's first paragraph, those examples are of course false, it was more a humorous attempt to reach a point. Of course people don't blame the US for bad weather in Sydney. However, some people use this forum, and every thread in it to make it a point to say something negative against the US. It "seems" that no one ever has anything nice to say about the US. And, honestly, of course I dont thinkthat there are NO Americans who bash other countries, but it seems that way. Especially on here. Gosh, it seems that some of you require people to be so politically correct and use so much perfect rhetoric that I need to have my english professor edit my posts.

Secondly, for a lot of the technologies you speak of that you would be fine without the US in, well, a lot of those technologies were developed here in the lovely US for use througout the world. It's a double edged sword.

Aviatsiya,

You said in fact, that Pan Am Caused the invasion of Pearl Harbor. I do indeed remember you getting in a grammar war over what you said. Listen buddy, to blame and to say something caused something sounds pretty similar to the average Joe. Okay, so lemme get this straight, you say Pan Am caused the invasion, but I guess you dont blame them right? LOL, I couldn't wait to see your response anyway.

UAL747


User currently offlineRai From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (11 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3786 times:

I still disagree about the CBC. I think it purports itself as a worldly news organization, but I don’t think it is that much better than anything we get down here. Remember, this is a media organization that won’t allow American programming on its airwaves. That says more than enough to me.

As for your “hot seat” comparison, I still don’t believe that Canadians have as thorough a grasp of the U.S. and what this country is about than you or many others believe. I won’t argue that Canadians probably know more about the U.S. than Americans know about Canada -- then again, you’d be surprised on what I’ve come across since moving back here two years ago -- but Canadians harbor more wrong stereotypes about the U.S. than Americans do of Canada. I don’t know about you, but I think these stereotypes (and I think you’re guilty of such by claiming that Americans are generally ignorant) are worse than simply not knowing something.

As for asking an average New Yorker about the U.S.’s biggest trading partner, you’re a financial journalist, right? It’s a lot of New Yorkers’ jobs to know these things. You might be surprised again.

I do agree with you about the Department of Congress and some of their actions lately. But then, Canadians welcomed the steel tariff decision, didn’t they?  Big grin You had no reason to complain about that one.


User currently offlineOO-VEG From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 1110 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (11 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3785 times:

High trees catch a lot of wind.




User currently offlineAviatsiya From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (11 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3781 times:

UAL747

I have made my response known. If you want to "debate" the fact of what I meant by what I wrote, go ahead and do so on the "Pearl Harbour" thread! Until then, put up or shut up.



25 Ual747 : Alright Aviatsiya... I took what you said apparently the wrong way. LOL, but if you are going to be so critical of others, expect some criticism in re
26 Ual747 : And by the way, you are the one who started the debate on this thread about what you said. If YOU want to debate it, go to the Pearl Harbor thread. Un
27 Ual747 : By the way, I appreciate those replies who are trying to understand my point. It's nice to have someone think before they speak. UAL747
28 GD727 : Ual747-I agree, there is way too much U.S. bashing on this website. Maybe I am not looking hard enough, but I almost NEVER see the American members on
29 Ual747 : Right on GD727! I wouldn't have started this thread, but things keep getting out of control. Ever since September 11, the people on this forum have be
30 Ual747 : Also, we do see our faults. Of course. We have made mistakes, but the majority of things we do are to better the lives of ourselves or our friends. Th
31 Airways1 : UAL747, don't you think you're getting a little extreme now? If you don't see how detremental the US is to the world, then you are blind. Also, try us
32 Saintsman : As has been mentioned previously not everyone bashes the USA. However I think the reason some people bash the USA is because certain members bite. A l
33 B747-437B : I have very mixed feelings about the United States. I went to school in the United States and lived there for 7 years, so I am intimately familiar wit
34 Ual747 : Sorry, Airways, I made a freaking mistake...God, some people need to get the 10 foot pole out of them. UAL747
35 Arrow : Rai -- If I start trying to defend CRTC restrictions on foreign content on Canadian airwaves, it'll completely hijack the thread and confuse the hell
36 Post contains images Rai : If I start trying to defend CRTC restrictions on foreign content on Canadian airwaves, it'll completely hijack the thread and confuse the hell out of
37 Post contains images 747-451 : Rai, Funny you talk about tariffs. The last thing we should be doing is giving Canada greif with tariffs. Their wretched, evil, disgusting government
38 Arrow : Ok -- I gotta do a little defence of the Canadian broadcasting even though some of your comments are correct. Rai - where did you get the idea that th
39 Post contains images Rai : Arrow: I meant the CBC. They have British programs, but they stopped airing American shows about five years ago. I damn well know that there are Ameri
40 Post contains images Rai : Shit! I just thought of something. This is a bit off-topic, but do CRTC regulations apply to ethnic media outlets as well? We can discuss this private
41 Jaysit : ...Afghanistan was completely destroyed by the UdSSR, but that is not mentioned by the Lefties nowadays... Duh. The progressive left and middle of cen
42 Mx5_boy : Do I detect a touch of insecurity here? Perhaps when we see more humility, less chest beating and an understanding that the *American way* is not nece
43 Post contains images ADG : Mx5, They complain about American bashing yet this forum is full of Americans bashing other countries. They complain about the violence of others but
44 Post contains images 747-451 : Arrow, Rai, I stand by my comments. Nafta is a disaster. When Swingline, for example, moved out of Long Island City, a working class/middle calss neig
45 747-451 : "Perhaps when we see more humility, less chest beating and an understanding that the *American way* is not necessarily the right way for a lot of thin
46 Post contains images Rai : Don’t get me started about LIC. I used to live on 23rd and Broadway in Astoria when I first moved to New York. Believe me, Astoria and LIC are NOT h
47 L-188 : Dude, you have NEVER seen a Canadian sitcom...and believe me, you wouldn’t want to! AND WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH THE RED GREEN SHOW!!! Not a damm
48 Ual747 : What the hell does this thread have to do with Canadian sitcoms? Or Canadian anything? UAL747
49 Post contains images GKirk : Quite a few George Dubya Bush jokes out there on the Internet For Example... What do Osama Bin Laden and Crabs have in common? They both irritate Bush
50 OO-AOG : Ual747 I don't think we blame the US for everything, but your foreign policy since WW2 is to be implicated, economically or politically, in other fore
51 Aviatsiya : Sorry UAL747, but you are wrong. I didn't start the debate on this thread. YOU did! YOU did when you mentioned what I posted in another thread to try
52 Galaxy5 : 1.: Aviatsiya Respect Rating: 52 Posted 2002-12-11 04:48:09 and read 343 times. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld last week called North Korea the "si
53 Alpha 1 : Even noticed how hysterical people outside the U.S. get on here when their nation or their "union" is questioned? I don't think, on average, the U.S.
54 Post contains images Aviatsiya : OK Galaxy5 Having a look at what you posted 1) Not anti-American. No hate of American people was shown. What was shown (by me nonetheless) my disdain
55 Ovelix : All this reminds me the local disputes between neighbouring towns. Of course now that EU is a considerable world power (the utter rejection of US plan
56 Flight152 : Europe is the most civilised continent on earth, with more culture in its little toe than the US has in total! I'm sorry. I couldn't stop laughing aft
57 OO-AOG : EU is a global power now With the Brits following Bush rather than the rest of us, I could hardly call us a global power. We still have so many inter
58 Ual747 : Isn't it Europeans, as well as many other cultures who flock to America? Yes, Id say America is FULL of culture. The reason you can't see it is becaus
59 OO-AOG : Europe is the most civilized continent on earth, with more culture in its little toe than the US has in total! We have a bigger history for sure, ther
60 Airplay : Honestly, I beg you to ask yourself what would happen if the US took an isolationist standpoint in the world. What? The United States HAS taken an iso
61 Post contains images Alpha 1 : Of course now that EU is a considerable world power (the utter rejection of US plans to "push" Turkey in the EU from the back door is just the last ex
62 Airplay : But the U.S., on the whole, is very respectful of its treaty obligations. The US made Canada do away with government subsidies as a condition of openi
63 Alpha 1 : Canada is America's largest trading partner, but it is well known that raw materials are the main export to the US. And? Your point being? And what is
64 Rai : Airplay: On behalf of all Americans and Canadians residing outside of Winnipeg, I would like to apologize for NAFTA’s apparent detriments. I guess W
65 Ovelix : Alpha 1 The "Bad Wolf" etc comment was not about US-EU relationships but about the enemy that US "needs" to justify its actions. Today "The war agains
66 Post contains images Rai : Ovelix, your profile states that you are from Greece. I am of Greek decent and most of my relatives in your country. Oh heck, one of my uncles was eve
67 Alpha 1 : The "Bad Wolf" etc comment was not about US-EU relationships but about the enemy that US "needs" to justify its actions. Today "The war against terror
68 Post contains images 747-451 : Rai- As far as LIC and Astoria all I say is gentrification stinks. Again I am not convinced about NAFTA; because it is poorly thought out and has allo
69 Airplay : Rai, what colour is the sky in your world? Again, you offer contradictory disconnected thoughts presented in a manner meant only to discredit me and t
70 Ovelix : Rai It's ridiculus. "UN must pay for parking tickets before USA pay its debt to the UN". Nice thought. A real american one. Your mentality (you ever r
71 Airplay : Rude comments from several well meaning contributors are sometimes misinterpreted as being directed towards individuals who don’t deserve such treat
72 Ovelix : Alpha 1 You didn't get it. USA does not invent Cold Wars and terrorist actions. I say that such conditions and events are what USA needs to justify it
73 Ovelix : Just a correction: Henry Kissinger had no government post before 1969. But he did pay a significant role as special national security adviser, Nationa
74 Alpha 1 : We have a saying here: "Democracy does not revenge". We have a saying here-it used to be on a flag of ours, that says "Don't Tread On Me". There was a
75 Hkgspotter1 : The USA will only get bashed for the stupid things they do. Why would they get bashed for British Beef ?? When the USA gets out of other peoples busin
76 Flight152 : Ovelix- It's ridiculus. You follow your uneducated President, people weeping not able to bear such a grandeur. Uh huh. At least hes not the one spelli
77 B757300 : I think I'll split a hair. The United States is not a Democracy. We are a Republic. There is a difference.
78 National_757 : You live in a country where there cannot be a local baseball match without everybody singing the national anthem. Damn right. Not to mention every Nas
79 KFRG : Hkgspotter, Are things really that bad in HKG? -Tom
80 ADG : it's perfectly possible to be patriotic without going overboard you know. VH-ADG
81 Ovelix : Thank you for confirming my point. It is obvious that you, americans, have been thrown into a vast nationalism/patriotism race where everyone tries to
82 Galaxy5 : here's a couple more Anti-American slams ( and of course it always somehow relates to Israel for some on here ) 1.: ADG Respect Rating: 55 Posted 2002
83 DeanBNE : Most of the gripes I see on A.Net towards the US tend to centre on US foreign policy. Of course it always degenerates from there. I don't agree with m
84 Post contains images Alpha 1 : Thank you for confirming my point. It is obvious that you, americans, have been thrown into a vast nationalism/patriotism race where everyone tries to
85 National_757 : I won't go overboard as National757 did, because he's way out there, and obviously believe you have to mandate patriotism, but there's a different be
86 National_757 : I guess you never really accused me of being a nut Alpha 1, so I have to change the bottom sentence. just don't potray me as being this nut because I
87 N202PA : Thank you for confirming my point. It is obvious that you, americans, have been thrown into a vast nationalism/patriotism race where everyone tries to
88 Ovelix : My dear americans I am stil waiting for an answer to my question: USA has many times overthrown ELECTED governments in order to restore their "order".
89 Ovelix : N202PA What if we have credible information that links these people to terrorist groups, or plots to attack/destroy the United States? What if you sha
90 Barcode : Oh, look what I've missed over the last few days ;-] So, to answer the first post by UAL: 1) Far, far too many people confuse *criticism* with " bashi
91 Northwest_guy : Ual747, I agree with you. It took a lot of guts to post this and I applaud you and respect you for it.
92 777236ER : It took a lot of guts to post this and I applaud you and respect you for it. What? This is a website! If you have to be brave to post on a website the
93 Ual747 : Barcode, while I appreciate your viewpoint, there is a difference between bashing and exchanging ideas. People on here seem to lose grasp of that diff
94 Ual747 : BTW, Barcode: We are the most powerful. I don't have to shout that, you already know it. And, being the most powerful does have its advantages. We do
95 Ual747 : I also think that if you came here everday and see this so called "constructive criticism" about Europe or the UK in about 13 different threads, updat
96 N202PA : Are we to just stand down and let noumerous countries being attacked by the US so that you can feel happier with your policies? Answering a question w
97 Staffan : UAL747, There was a recent thread about anti-semitism in Europe, quite alot of bashing in that thread if you ask me. There have been quite a few in th
98 Alpha 1 : Are we to just stand down and let noumerous countries being attacked by the US so that you can feel happier with your policies. What "numerous" contri
99 Barcode : UAL: Thankyou for replying :-] I do understand what you're saying, but this is a discussion forum whereby things will naturally become heated. The fac
100 Alpha 1 : " It's amazing we won, we were running against peace, prosperity and incumbency." What's so dumb about that barcode-he was exactly right on that one.
101 Barcode : Alpha1: What's dumb about that quote is that even Bush acknowledges amazement over the fact he won the election. I'm hardly judging Bush on his comman
102 Ual747 : Actually Barcode, the "overseas" import comment is technically a fine statement. We can receive imports from both our Canadian neighbors to the north
103 Ual747 : Barcode, terrorists have long had the US/UK/France/Germany/etc. in their sights well before GWB was elected. Hell, I'd say even before Iraq in 1991. W
104 Post contains images Ual747 : Barcode: An Image just for you! Thought you might get a kick out of it, maybe Bush is as stupid as you say afterall. UAL747
105 Boeing4ever : Interesting photo, but Dubya isn't the only one who did that. There's another photo of Clinton doing the same out there, I saved it on my harddrive, b
106 Post contains images Airplay : Those are night vision goggles and it's daytime.
107 Rai : Airplay: You shouldn’t be one to speak about contradictions because all your posts contain them. It is highly hypocritical of you bash and berate ot
108 Post contains images Airplay : Rai, Now, it seems that you’re moving towards a reconciliatory zone with your last post. Nah...I still think you just have some strange little obses
109 Rai : No offense, dude, but I actually could care less if you lived or died. So, there goes your "obsession" remark. And yeah, I got the joke.
110 DeanBNE : Like I said, if you don't like the American policy, that's fine, but why is it we never see any serious ALTERNATIVES form the many critics on this fo
111 N202PA : The reason as to why few, if anybody posts their ideas as far as alternatives to US foreign policy is concerned is that no matter how much sense those
112 Post contains images Rai : Such anger. Such visceral. What did America do to you? It's ridiculus. "UN must pay for parking tickets before USA pay its debt to the UN". Nice thoug
113 Rai : Honestly, I think you're doing some serious dodging here. If you have the fortitude to make negative comments about the U.S. and its policies - and th
114 Cfalk : Boy, I've missed some fun over the weekend. OK, a few issues in no particular order. About national pride. Americans are generally more proud of their
115 Ovelix : N202PA It is because these nations pose a clear and present danger to freedom and the western world. Come on…the exhausted, poor, blockaded, san
116 Ovelix : Alpha 1 What "numerous" contries are you referring to, Ovelix? Name them? Afghanistan? Riiight. Any more you want to interject in there. Facts, not rh
117 Ovelix : Rai I’d like to know what you imply by this point. So, the UN should not pay the hundreds of millions of dollars in outstanding parking fees it
118 DeanBNE : Honestly, I think you're doing some serious dodging here. If you have the fortitude to make negative comments about the U.S. and its policies - and th
119 Post contains images KFRG : "Certainly: Uncultured. Illiterate. Geography ignorant. History ignorant. Hmmm, "Geography ignorant" and "History ignorant"? You kinda' shot yourself
120 Post contains images 747-451 : "US acts according to its interests...." As does everyone else including the pristine and morally righteous Europeans... (Like Nazi Germany, Fascist I
121 Post contains images 747-451 : "Certainly: Uncultured. Illiterate. Geography ignorant. History ignorant" Spelling and grammar as well.... (but they sure know how to burn our flag no
122 Alpha 1 : The reason as to why few, if anybody posts their ideas as far as alternatives to US foreign policy is concerned is that no matter how much sense those
123 Post contains images Airplay : Why do people bash the US? Two "words": Rush Limbaugh.....
124 Post contains images Rai : Why do people bash the US? Two "words": Rush Limbaugh..... Oh, God. Don't even mention that gasbag...
125 PHX-LJU : KFRG and 747-451, I strongly disagree with much of what Ovelix says. In fact, he recently called me "ignorant." However, I do have to say that your cr
126 Swissgabe : Ual747 What has the US to do with the demise of Swissair ???? Who told you this one?
127 Aviatsiya : Alpha 1 The Sudan action was an American action ordered by Clinton. The bombing of the "weapons" plant which turned out to be more to do with medicine
128 Cfalk : Aviatsiya, As it happened, I visited Granada in 1980-81. From what I remember, I believe that the "propaganda" as you call it was essentially correct.
129 Ovelix : Thanks PHX-LJU. It's nice to find people here who can put aside the personal opinion in favor of telling the right thing. As for KFRG and 747-451 I c
130 Ovelix : 747-451 Eu corporations with huge interests to protect…etc etc LOL!! And USA has nothing to do with similar interests, right?? USA foreign poli
131 Ovelix : Alpha 1 Serbia was a US action that was imposed to the UN. It’s perfectly known how US manipulates the UN resolutions, ignores others (Cuba sanc
132 Post contains images Cfalk : You don’t read my posts lately. I never said that those regimes are OK. I said that they are dictators but that is a long distance away from threate
133 Ovelix : No Charles I don't want a a better world based on justice, peace, etc made by USA. And before some clever guys here say "Oh, I see. You want a world m
134 Alpha 1 : Iraq has no Air Force. Not a single airplane. How the heck are they violating the no-fly zone? Are you really that stupid? Sorry-I rarely say that, bu
135 Ovelix : I don't think you're man enough to do it, though, Ovelix. What's that here? A manhood contest? I thought that it was an opinion telling thread. Kostas
136 Ovelix : Some comments made by Alpha 1 about me (in two different but similar threads) ”Are you really that stupid?” “Grow up” “I
137 Alpha 1 : What's that here? A manhood contest? I thought that it was an opinion telling thread. I rest my case: when directly challelenged, you dodge. You don't
138 Ual747 : Swissgabe, It was humor, I was just using humor to make a point. Of course I don't think that the US caused the demise of Swissair, but some people it
139 747-451 : Ovelix, 1) Apparently you read posts, but don't comprehend them. The US has a right to protect it's interests just as the Europeans do. European count
140 Post contains links 747-451 : "You don’t read my posts lately. I never said that those regimes are OK. I said that they are dictators but that is a long distance away from threat
141 PHX-LJU : 747-451 hat geschrieben: "Ich komme zu diesen Foren mit einem geöffneten Verstand und verstehe, daß viele nicht eine volle Reichweite von Englisch h
142 747-451 : "Ja, aber ich habe das bei deinem Post nicht gesehen; etwas wie "Spelling and grammar as well... (but they sure know how to burn our flag now, don't t
143 747-451 : PS-the spelling errors were deliberate since I am not a gret tyipst either...
144 PHX-LJU : 747-451, You have every right to criticize people who you believe have a closed mind, there is no dispute there. However, there is no need to attack t
145 Post contains links and images 747-451 : Clintonesque, OMG! I am humbled! What do you want? Hillary is my Senator! I will though take a quote from Alpha1 that partly adresses the person invol
146 PHX-LJU : 747-451, Before we debate anything further, would you like to apologize for lying to us (claiming that you speak German fluently and then using an com
147 Aviatsiya : Cfalk If you visited Grenada in 1980-81, and you claim that American students were being held hostage at that time, then why did it take 2 years for t
148 Ovelix : PHX-LJU Don't expect much from them. They like to play the smart ass but they are not smart enough for not being caught. They are smart enough of cour
149 Galaxy5 : here are some more nice anti-american posts, it just keeps getting better and better. 1.: OO-AOG Respect Rating: 47 Posted 2002-12-16 11:11:46 and rea
150 Post contains links Arrow : Americans want to know why they so often get bashed? Here's an example of one of the main reasons. Go read this story from today's National Post. http
151 747-451 : PHX-LJU- I am sorry for using a translator; accept my appologies. 747-451
152 747-451 : "Don't expect much from them. They like to play the smart ass but they are not smart enough for not being caught. They are smart enough of course to g
153 PHX-LJU : 747-451, What you did was totally unnecessary and extremely immature, but I do accept your apology. BTW, the problem is not that you used a computer t
154 Post contains images OO-AOG : here are some more nice anti-american posts, it just keeps getting better and better. Galaxy5, please be so nice before bashing me to go up and read r
155 ADG : Is there any reason why you guys think it's OK to bash other countries and then demand yours be excluded?
156 Alpha 1 : Is there any reason why you guys think it's OK to bash other countries and then demand yours be excluded? Is there any reason why you, ADG, think it's
157 Post contains images ADG : Is there any reason why you, ADG, think it's OK to bash the U.S. when you clearly don't know what the hell you're talking about? and thus showing that
158 Alpha 1 : Whatever, ADG. You answered nothing on that post of yours. Absolutely nothing, but the usual sideswipes at me, that accomplish nothing whatsoever. I g
159 TWAL1011 : This is my first visit to this post. It's just as full of poison as I thought it would be. When you all get done in the ring, I'll see ya' in the bar!
160 Post contains links Galaxy5 : Manni Respect Rating: 18 Posted 2002-12-17 17:26:55 and read 207 times. ..that accidentaly kills children. Very sad news indeed. http://story.news.ya
161 Galaxy5 : Some more Anti-American posts by the same posters ( anyone see a trend yet) 1. David B. Respect Rating: 54 Posted 2002-12-15 19:29:53 and read 621 tim
162 Post contains images ADG : Galaxy5, You use misinterpretation in an attempt to control conversation, it doesn't work you know .. it just makes a person look ignorant. Alpha1....
163 Galaxy5 : : ADG Respect Rating: 55 Posted 2002-12-22 04:58:27 and read 14 times. Galaxy5, You use misinterpretation in an attempt to control conversation, it do
164 Jcs17 : Koblokoman: Ual747, care to provide some serious examples of the bashing that concern you? The list you have up there is a joke. For someone who is st
165 Alpha 1 : Amazing, ADG, the amount of venom that exists within your heart for someone you don't even know. It truly is. You can call me all sorts of names, ADG,
166 Galaxy5 : another good anti-american post : Solnabo Respect Rating: 2 Posted 2002-12-18 21:38:06 and read 2678 times. Whatta stupid bitch!!! What do you expect
167 ADG : Galaxy5, Personally I think some of you overexaggerate. I think some people use the term anti-american far to often and they really aren't looking at
168 Post contains images ADG : Amazing, ADG, the amount of venom that exists within your heart for someone you don't even know. It truly is. ah you have me all wrong Alpha1, I don't
169 Alpha 1 : After reading your post above, ADG, I rest my case.
170 OO-AOG : Galaxy5 Some more Anti-American posts by the same posters ( anyone see a trend yet) If you want a patriotic forum where everyone are politically corre
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