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South Korea, 250,000 Anti US March  
User currently offlineArtsyman From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4745 posts, RR: 34
Posted (11 years 11 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 1778 times:

In a show of Anti-America, 250,000 took to the streets, burning American flags, shredding flags etc. And this is the side of Korea that is supposed to be the friendly one.... Why ?, because two american soldiers were aquitted of running over two South Korean citizens...

Isn't this getting a little out of hand.. ?

http://www.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/asiapcf/east/12/14/korea.protest/index.html

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User currently offlineTravelin man From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3553 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (11 years 11 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 1767 times:

Honestly, I'm beginning to think that maybe it would be best if we pulled our troops out of places like South Korea and let them fend for themselves. I'm sure we spend hundreds of millions of $$$ defending that place. Maybe we should pack up and leave and spend that money at home.

Oh, wait, then we would be called "isolationist".


User currently offline2912n From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 2013 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (11 years 11 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 1758 times:

Do you think there would be great protests when the North decided to come charging south and their T-55's and T-72's ran down anyone in the way on purpose. Maybe it is time to let South Korea defend itself. Isolationist? Hell, they are going to dislike us one way or the other....In that vein there is an article in todays paper talking about Somalia and how some leaders want us back there...Hah.

User currently offlineZauberfloete From Austria, joined Nov 2000, 302 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (11 years 11 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 1757 times:

I would suggest:
Pull all US troops, weapons etc. out of South Korea. Stop all military and political aid.

If North Korea then invades South Korea, the USA should just send a letter of protest to the UN secretary general and that's it.
Obviously that is it what the public demands, let them get it.

Man only learns from error...


User currently offlineMarco From United Arab Emirates, joined Jul 2000, 4169 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (11 years 11 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 1753 times:

Zauberfloete, you couldn't have said it any better Big grin


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User currently offlineTravelin man From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3553 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (11 years 11 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 1753 times:

Or even better yet, when the South is invaded by the North, we could ask the UN to form a committee to look into it.

User currently offlineDavid B. From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3148 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (11 years 11 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 1744 times:

Then the south would really hate us. Not only that they would have nuclear weapons, which they would see to terrorist groups that really hate us. Did you think about that? You kill citizens in another country you should be trailed and punished under their court of law.


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User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (11 years 11 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 1738 times:

Do you not think it's because there are people in the US (TNNH for example) advocating attacks on North Korea that will SURELY bring an attack upon the South?

User currently offlinePacificjourney From New Zealand, joined Jul 2001, 2734 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (11 years 11 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 1738 times:

Before commenting on such topics some people here need to get some facts straight. The 'outraged-taxpayer' line is total nonsense !

The US actually saves money by having troops in SK as that government not only pays all basing and logistical costs for those units but they also make a direct payment to the US government for those troops 'services'. In essence the US gets these army and airforce units maintained for their own use at cut price rates !

The same conditions apply to US forces in Japan (not the USN though).

Try reading a little deeper and you will realise the true bones of contention are (A) revising of the SOFA conditions, and (B) occupation of prime real estate in large cities by not only US forces but also Korean ones. The latter complaint being directed more at the Korean government than the US one. Problem A clearly deserving of more reasonable consideration by all sides.

Of course these pesky details don't make such good headlines as flag burning but shouldn't we all endeavour to do better than CNN and really understand something before shooting our mouths of about it ?



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User currently offlineB757300 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 4114 posts, RR: 22
Reply 9, posted (11 years 11 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 1736 times:

Fine, then we should pull out all our troops, all our Patriot missile batteries and let the idiot S. Koreans stare down the barrel of the nuclear gun all by themselves. I wonder how long until they are begging for our help again.


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User currently offlinePacificjourney From New Zealand, joined Jul 2001, 2734 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (11 years 11 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 1726 times:

So you don't think it is legitimate that Koreans demand more say in how US forces in their country behave or where they live ?

PS
Korea has it's own military, a pretty damn good one with pretty good toys of their own. US presence is more symbolic in nature than militarily vital.



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User currently offlineOO-AOG From Switzerland, joined Dec 2000, 1426 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (11 years 11 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 1710 times:

You people need to slow down a bit and make a small analysis of this article, here's a quote:

The demonstrators were calling for a retrial of the soldiers in a South Korean court as well as a revision of the agreement with Washington over the rights and conduct of the 37,000 U.S. service personnel in the country.
They want there to be more South Korean jurisdiction over the U.S. troops.


Two girls were killed by 2 US soldiers and those were acquitted. It's true that US soldiers living abroad seem to never be subject to local juridictions, and most of the time are simply acquitted or called back home. They just want those guys to go to be judged in a South Korean court like anybody else who would have killed 2 girls with their vehicle on the Korean territory. As simple as that.

Just imagine that the US accept a foreign military base in the US (that will never happen of course...), and that 2 drunk Korean soldiers did the same thing to 2 American teenagers, do you think that the American people would be happy to have a Korean court acquitting those soldiers?! Of course not.

So before calling those Koreans stupid (like 757300 did above), just think twice and understand the local population.





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User currently offlineManni From South Korea, joined Nov 2001, 4221 posts, RR: 22
Reply 12, posted (11 years 11 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 1703 times:

Artsyman wrote,

'Isnt this getting a litte out of hand'?

http://www.frso.org/fight/2002winter/korea.htm

Yes it is indeed getting a little out of hand.

(800 crimes are commited by US military yearly in SK, making a total of over 100000 victims)



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User currently offlineArtsyman From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4745 posts, RR: 34
Reply 13, posted (11 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 1685 times:

Manni, You are mssing the point, I am not saying that they are perfect, I am just suggesting that this anti-americanism is getting out of hand. The Saudi goverment would fall if the US stopped protecting them, same with in Korea, I don't hear the Kuwaiti's offering thanks for being saved, or the Muslims in the Balkans....

While the Yanks are not perfect, they do a hell of a lot more good in the world than most people. Frances treatment of the arabs in france is appalling, yet I just hear complaints about America.



User currently offline2912n From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 2013 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (11 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 1683 times:

OO-AOG- I think you will find that the Germans have a military presence in the US. The do much of their flight training at Holloman AFB in New Mexico. Numerous countries come to the US to train. NATO AWACS aircraft operated in US skies to assist us after 9-11. The reason we have bases in other nations is to counter threats....Not as an occupying force.

I believe the children killed in South Korea died as the result of an ACCIDENT. The soldiers were on duty and not drunk. There is a big difference between an accident and a criminal act. Most US service members that commit a criminal offense, ie...rape, are turned over to civil authoriites in the nation where the crime occured. But when it occurs in an accident during an on duty training excercise....the soldiers involved are then subject to US military law.

Manni--800 crimes allegedly committed by US forces. I will accept that on face value. But 100,000 victims? Maybe if spread over the past 30 years or so. That website is a one sided political add. And if that is the way that Koreans REALLY feel, then the US should abandon the South. (But who will cry when the North Koreans are in power....The right to publish something like that website would certainly disappear.)


User currently offlineBigo747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (11 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 1681 times:

For those of you who think S. Koreans protesting because they're bunch of idiots and suggesting to isolate them, think about this:

What would the Americans do if 2 Korean Soldiers killed or raped 2 American girls and walked away free?

I'm beginning to think that maybe it would be best if we pulled our troops out of places like South Korea

So the best way is to send this soldiers based in Korea to other place, so these soldiers can cause more trouble in other places?

I would suggest:
Pull all US troops, weapons etc. out of South Korea. Stop all military and political aid.


A horrible "American Attitude". You don't like us, fine, we're packing and leave you alone. Do Americans really figure out why people hates them?

You're making America looks bad because you represent a state who don't have the word "SHAME" in the dictionary.

Plus, I also doubted that the mass protest in Seoul will cause any effect.




User currently offlineOO-AOG From Switzerland, joined Dec 2000, 1426 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (11 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 1674 times:

I think you will find that the Germans have a military presence in the US. The do much of their flight training at Holloman AFB in New Mexico

Training base, not a strategic one 2912n, that does make a difference...
And however I think that they have to follow the US law. Holloman AFB is a german military base? Or an US one accepting Germans?

I believe the children killed in South Korea died as the result of an ACCIDENT

Could be, but this has been decided by an US military court, not a local one. I think those guys think that 'accident-not guilty-acquitted' is not acceptable...
You have to admit that US military ex-pats behavior is much of a problem in many different countries, I can remember Japan (rape cases) and Italy (a fighter and a cabletrain).

but please answer my question...: what would be the result with a similar accident, but this time Korean soldiers in the US..?


While the Yanks are not perfect, they do a hell of a lot more good in the world than most people. Frances treatment of the arabs in france is appalling, yet I just hear complaints about America

Artsyman, What's exactly the problem with France and the Arabians?!




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User currently offline2912n From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 2013 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (11 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 1672 times:

Bigo 747---

Please don't throw things like "You're making America looks bad because you represent a state who don't have the word "SHAME" in the dictionary" Thats nothing but flame. What I find here is people have as little understanding of America and Americans as they claim we have about other peoples/cultures.

I believe that most people outside of the US get their image of Americans from Television and the movies. Well guess what, that ain't the way it really is.

I live in a military oriented city where visits from foreign navy ships are common. 99% of the sailors behave themselves and enjoy their visit here. But every once in a while someone does something stupid. They commit a crime and there is an innocent American victim. The issue is dealt with by either returning the offender to his own command for trial and potential punishment, or if the crime is more serious, through our own judicial system. There is no great public outcry.

Many times America is hated just because. It is very easy to blame the US for all of the worlds problems. "Hey, look at the big bad United States. They are the root of all evil." It is easier than admitting to your own internal issues.

Are Americans sometimes their own worst enemy? Sure. We can be loud and brash and insensitive to others. It is a failing that we must address. But we are no more guilty of it than any other group.

Being open minded is a two way street. I will try to understand you and your culture but you must do the same for me.


User currently offline2912n From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 2013 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (11 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 1667 times:

OO--

I do believe, but I can't say for certain, that a portion of Holloman is a German base.

I think if you look you will find a sad number of U.S. servicemen who are in foreign prisons. Many will be subject to US Military punishment AFTER their incarceration in a civil prison.

I don't know the wording of Status of Forces agreements. But they make a differentiation between accidents that occur while training, ie...the EA-6 that hit the cable in Italy resulting in the death of people on the tram or the two children killed in South Korea vs. a rape. In my understanding if there is a crime committed within CIVIL jurisdiction it is handled by the appropriate civil authorities and the perpetrator is subject to the approptiate civil laws. BUT if something occurs while on duty and is not clear violation of civil law, (for example, the soldier is out on a field problem and goes off and rapes a woman. In that case he would probably be remanded to the civil authorities.) he would be subject to US Military law.

Part of the issue is the differences between laws. In the US having a vehicle accident, absent some additional behaviours, like drunk driving, are not criminal in nature. But in other nations, Mexico for example, being involved in a simple traffic accident can be criminal. That is why the Status of Forces agreements are made. So that it is clear whose jurisdiction governs what actions.

Sometimes it feels like spitting into the wind. People protest so we say, "Fine. You don't like us, we will leave." Then we get accused of not understanding the local culture/population etc...


User currently offlineBigo747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (11 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 1656 times:

Please don't throw things like "You're making America looks bad because you represent a state who don't have the word "SHAME" in the dictionary" Thats nothing but flame. What I find here is people have as little understanding of America and Americans as they claim we have about other peoples/cultures.

It's not a flame. It's a criticision.

Many times America is hated just because. It is very easy to blame the US for all of the worlds problems. "Hey, look at the big bad United States. They are the root of all evil." It is easier than admitting to your own internal issues.

This is the point why I'm criticizing. Sometimes American seems not to realize why other country's people hate them. They didn't realize because they didn't ask themself "What did I do wrong?"



Then we get accused of not understanding the local culture/population etc...

You get accused because you have committed a crime in a foreign countries. It's not about local culture understanding.



User currently offline2912n From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 2013 posts, RR: 8
Reply 20, posted (11 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 1650 times:

Americans understand "shame." We express it differently than some other cultures. I'm sorry, but to me it came across a bit more harshly.

You don't think we don't look in the mirror and ask ourselves questions? You don't think we critique ourselves? You should read our newspapers and experience our culture. As a nation we wonder and as a nation we try to do things right. But it is not an easy thing. Any nation that has a presence in other countries has the same issues of misunderstanding.

"You get accused because you have committed a crime in a foreign countries. It's not about local culture understanding"

Sure it is. What we see as an accident is seen as a crime. It is a cultural difference.

But I sense that you will not listen to me with an open mind. Oh well.

Cheers and may the world bring you nothing but the best in the new year.


User currently offlineBigo747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (11 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 1647 times:

It is a cultural difference.

2912n, you're being ironic. You say Americans have shame. If they have shame and understand it, then why are you saying "It is a cultural difference"?

Or Can I say that Arab terrorists crash planes into World Trade Center and Pentagon is because of "cultural difference"?

Is this what you meant that it's ok for Americans to kill other foreigners but it's not ok if it's vice versa?


User currently offlineManni From South Korea, joined Nov 2001, 4221 posts, RR: 22
Reply 22, posted (11 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 1645 times:

2912n wrote,

'Most US service members that commit a criminal offense, ie rape... are turned over to civil authorities in the nation the crime occured'

According to the webpage of wich I provided a link, less than 1% of the 800 crimes commited by US military are turned over to local aothorities.

'800 crimes alledgedly commited by US forces. I will accept that on face value. But 100000 victims? Maybe if spread over the past 30 years or so.'

Indeed 100000 victims since 1968. As this isn't bad enough?

Artsyman,

Are you trying to say that the fact that the US military 'protects' South Korea makes up for these 100000 victims? God help Kuwait and it's woman if that's the price they have to pay for 'protection'.

you wrote,

'While the Yanks are not perfect they do a hell f a lot more good to the world than most people'

Agreed, but one good does not justify one bad.

you wrote,

'Frances treatment of the arabs is appaling, yet I just hear complaints about America.'

Be sure that if these 800 crimes commited yearly would be commited by, let's say the French, the demonstration would be turned against the French.



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User currently offline2912n From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 2013 posts, RR: 8
Reply 23, posted (11 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 1634 times:

Bigo----

Huh?

Different cultures express shame differently. Oriental cultures are very different in that respect and we don't understand them/they don't understand us.

I am saddened that two children died in a tragic accident. But I am not ashamed. Sadly in life accidents happen. We feel bad and then we move on, hopefully not repeating those accidents.

In a sense Arab terorrists crashing planes into the WTC is a misunderstanding of cultures. They believe that all we are driven by is the dollar, which means that if they destroy this trade icon they will devestate America. They misunderstood American much as Japan did in the days leading up to WWII. (And yes, we misunderstood Japan as well.)

As for your last statement...Again, Huh? I never said anything like that. If an American commits a crime such as rape in a foreign country he should be accountable to the laws of that country. But understand the difference between an tragic accident and an intentional act. Under the law that applies to the soldiers involved, an agreement reached by the governments of the U.S. and South Korea, it was an ACCIDENT and they were not subject to local laws. Had circumstances been different and they were in a private car on a night on the town and crashed killing an innocent they would be subject to local civil law.

I feel that you are anti-american. (if I am wrong accept my apologies.).

Just as you want us to understand others and live by their laws I would hope that you understand us. Travel the US with an OPEN mind, as I have tried when I visit other countries. I think you would be amazed by how similar we all are as well as astounded by how different we can be.

Cheers.


User currently offlineBigo747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (11 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 1621 times:

I feel that you are anti-american.

People who criticize American doesn't mean they're anti-American. If I criticize Canada, does this mean I'm anti-Canadian?


25 Artsyman : One of the things America has stated time and time again is that due to the anti-american crap that goes on, they feel that if they are sent to a coun
26 Alpha 1 : Korea has it's own military, a pretty damn good one with pretty good toys of their own. US presence is more symbolic in nature than militarily vital.
27 Yyz717 : Incredible. The only thing keeping the North Koreans from driving south has been the American presence. What a selfish group of protestors. Maybe the
28 Bigo747 : What a selfish group of protestors. Yyz717, I think you have completely forgotten what about to those Canadian soldiers who accidentally bombed by US
29 Marco : I'm surprise that some Canadians seems to have no words of "Shame" in their vocabulary too. Give it up Bigo. We're discussing our opinions here, not o
30 Bigo747 : Give it up Bigo. We're discussing our opinions here, not our personalities. I just feel pathetic for these people who have such feelings. Is it becaus
31 David B. : Typical American altitudes. Its no wonder why so many people hate us...and rightfully so. I would like to see 2 American girls killed or raped by Kore
32 Alpha 1 : I would like to see 2 American girls killed or raped by Korean soldiers and get away with it. David B, you're a pretty loathsome person if you wish t
33 Yyz717 : The Koreans should put things in perspective. yes, of course the death of those girls was a tragedy. But the Americans are in Korea to protect the Kor
34 Post contains images David B. : Fine, then we should pull out all our troops, all our Patriot missile batteries and let the idiot S. Koreans stare down the barrel of the nuclear gun
35 David B. : David B, you're a pretty loathsome person if you wish that on anyone, just to make a political point. And it's "attitude", not "altitude". I think you
36 Bigo747 : The Koreans should put things in perspective. How can you ask people to do this if you don't do it in the first place?
37 David B. : This is not the first time this happened and it will not be the last. All troops who commit crime should be trailed in that country. If found guilty,
38 Yyz717 : When you require 37,000 foreign troops in your country to protect your bacon, accidents will happen. How many thousands of Americans gave their lives
39 Alpha 1 : This is not the first time this happened and it will not be the last. Boy, there's a newsflash, hot off the presses, David B. As long as there are hum
40 Twaneedsnohelp : The number of American soldiers who died for South Korean independence wasn't enough?
41 2912n : Geez, I go away for a few hours and people get nasty.... Big O--- I am open to criticisim from people of other countries. That does not mean you are a
42 Travelin man : Yawn. So, what have we decided? The South Koreans should defend for themselves? Obviously they don't REALLY want that. They just want big brother "The
43 Rai : I’m pretty familiar with the situation in South Korea. Koreans in general aren’t the most tolerant people towards foreigners. The fact that a larg
44 Rai : I should also add that Jimmy Carter tried to pull US forces out of Korea, but the Koreans begged him to make them stay. If Bush decides to do the same
45 Super Em : So since things in Iraq haven't been going according to plans, we need something to keep us busy. Let's see what's going on in North Korea.
46 Post contains images Rai : Two girls were killed by 2 US soldiers and those were acquitted. It's true that US soldiers living abroad seem to never be subject to local juridictio
47 Twaneedsnohelp : The US is doing a service for the many nations whose defense is supplied by American forces. All that we ask in return is that we ajudicate our troops
48 Post contains links Rai : Why are there no protests against the Korean military for killing their own? I'd like to see this man get punished.
49 ADG : TNNH, The US is doing a service for the many nations whose defense is supplied by American forces. All that we ask in return is that we ajudicate our
50 777236ER : TNNH's rather large point being: we saved your country, so now we own your country. Let us get any with anything, ungrateful Koreans!
51 DAVID B. : TNNH's rather large point being: we saved your country, so now we own your country. Let us get any with anything, ungrateful Koreans Too bad, this is
52 Twaneedsnohelp : No that is not my point. . My point is that it will severely hurt American efforts to recruit soldiers if we force them to travel the world over and f
53 Bigo747 : It seems like the "American Attitude" (eg. If you don't like us, we'll pull out, and you'll beg us to return till that time; or we sacrificed too many
54 2912n : Posting here is sorta like going outside to the roadway and bashing your head against the pavement.... VHADG---One last comment before I get out of th
55 777236ER : Someone made a valid point above that if there were a Korean base in the US, and a couple of their soldiers caused an "accident" that killed 2 young g
56 DAVID B. : BUT....what the protests are about in Korea are over an ACCIDENT! The soldiers involved were dealt with as per the law in force over them, which is th
57 TWAL1011 : Did you want that kid in Singapore to get caned a few years back? I did. I did too.
58 Bigo747 : 2912n, are you saying it's ok for US soldiers to kill people outside US?
59 2912n : Oh for cripes sake... No. It is not okay for US soldiers to kill innocent persons, be it in the US or outside of the US. The soldiers invovled in this
60 Twaneedsnohelp : I also supported that stupid f*cking kid being caned. It's a different situation but I'm glad it was brought up because maybe it'll help make my point
61 LOT767-300ER : "Or even better yet, when the South is invaded by the North, we could ask the UN to form a committee to look into it." Kudos to you! I friggin fell on
62 Pacificjourney : "Tourists, like that kid in Singapore, are a completely different matter." Quite right they are different but stop mudding things up by comparing Saud
63 Twaneedsnohelp : Koreans want more say over the behaviour of foreign troops (not just US either) in their country, is this so unreasonable ? It's not unreasonable. But
64 Pacificjourney : Clearly you would be unimpressed but this should not be the basis of your relationship with a very reliable ally. Do I need to mention Vietnam if we w
65 Rai : Pacificjourney: Nobody is questioning the Korean's request to reform the SOFA agreement. However, I feel that these protests have an undertone of raci
66 Pacificjourney : "Nobody is questioning the Korean's request to reform the SOFA agreement. " Are we reading the same thread ? Yeah the Koreans are THE most racist, xen
67 Rai : I don't feel I am owed anything either, I am just questioning the sincerity of their "anger". The original topic was about Korean protesters. As for t
68 Twaneedsnohelp : Why did you put American TAXPAYER BTW ? What's that got to do with anything ? Those soldiers aren't over there for free champ. Wouldn't you know it? t
69 Pacificjourney : Actually, in a way they are there for free. Read post No. 8.
70 Twaneedsnohelp : I don't believe that at all. Korea might help offput some of the cost - but the bill is far too large for Korea alone. Unless you can document it othe
71 Pacificjourney : What do you mean the cost would be far too large for Korea ? They do have a fairly large and well equiped army of their own you know ! How many heads
72 Twaneedsnohelp : What do you mean the cost would be far too large for Korea ? I mean exactly that, that housing, feeding, equipping, transporting, arming, and paying t
73 Manni : Alpha1 and Artsyman, 800 crimes yes, but an average of 125 victims no. I wrote clearly 800 crimes a year and 100000 victims since 1968 (not 100000 dea
74 Pacificjourney : TNNH US army has only about 37,000 troops in Korea and the airforce another 5,000. Considering the Korean Army alone is 400,000 plus strong can you ho
75 Gunships : South Korea, Saudi Arabia, I hope Kuwait isn't next... Talk about ungrateful... It's almost like religion, nobody believes in God until they're in a c
76 Mx5_boy : Who said this? """The number of American soldiers who died for South Korean independence wasn't enough?""" In my simplistic comment to USA OK that see
77 DragonRapide : To all you US citizens who think the US has troops in South Korea and other countries in order to protect the South Koreans, think again. The ONLY rea
78 ADG : Well put Dragon. The US does not place bases in other countries to assist them, it's all self interest. No that is not my point. . Certainly sounds li
79 ADG : VHADG---One last comment before I get out of this forum....If what the soldiers did is a criminal act, ie...rape, then they should, and usually do, fa
80 Post contains images ADG : No. It is not okay for US soldiers to kill innocent persons, be it in the US or outside of the US. The soldiers invovled in this case were investigate
81 DAVID B. : I don't believe that at all. Korea might help offput some of the cost - but the bill is far too large for Korea alone. Unless you can document it othe
82 Twaneedsnohelp : interesting note from my friend in the army serving on the DMZ ------------------- Russ, Well, I'm not in a position to answer for everyone over here,
83 Airmale : Last week a leading English daily in Pakistan featured a picture of a restaurant in Seoul with a sign saying "Americans are not welcome here" all in c
84 Pacificjourney : TNNH So, no further comments for me ? Still curious about those taxes as well because if you want to play the outraged taxpayer it makes you look less
85 Twaneedsnohelp : tastefull .
86 Airmale : OK! if it makes you feel good, anyways it distinctly barred the nationals of a particular country from entering i.e it was only for Americans and was
87 Alpha 1 : 800 crimes yes, but an average of 125 victims no. I wrote clearly 800 crimes a year and 100000 victims since 1968 (not 100000 deaths, ie a rape does n
88 Twaneedsnohelp : So, no further comments for me ? Well lets see.... US army has only about 37,000 troops in Korea and the airforce another 5,000. Agree with you there
89 Pacificjourney : Great, we agree. The cost isn't really an issue is it. US forces staying or going should be assessed regularly but on the facts not phantom $$$$. Taxe
90 Twaneedsnohelp : I think you are lying. and I give a shit?
91 Pacificjourney : You have no manners ! Post 70 you call me a liar, "I don't believe that at all. Korea might help offput some of the cost - but the bill is far too lar
92 Twaneedsnohelp : your empty rhetoric and arrogant BS is grating. I am absolutely free to make the valid point of saying I pay taxes. I have no need to tell you exactly
93 Pacificjourney : You're right, I just fancy you. Perhaps it's your modest boyish charm ... who knows, there's just so much to like.
94 ADG : Airmale, The joy of running your own business is that you can serve who you like and refuse service to who you like. We don't "put" bases in countries
95 Post contains images Twaneedsnohelp : You're right, I just fancy you. Perhaps it's your modest boyish charm ... who knows, there's just so much to like. Well now that we got that squared a
96 Post contains images ADG : Pacific, Make sure he's over 18, there are laws you know VH-ADG
97 Galaxy5 : Pacificjourney Respect Rating: 9 Posted 2002-12-15 19:51:59 and read 615 times. Before commenting on such topics some people here need to get some fac
98 Pacificjourney : Speaking of fairy stories "S.Korea gets weaponry from the US at near cut throat rates and free training. " ... what bullshit ! My information comes fr
99 Galaxy5 : POST YOUR FACTS ON HERE WITH A REPUTABLE SOURCE PLEASE. that i would like to see.
100 Pacificjourney : See end of post 71, read first write second.
101 Galaxy5 : you mean this? it doesnt prove anything? It WHAT YOU SAY. were is a link or source document when you provide that then i will recant. Pacificjourney R
102 Galaxy5 : South Korea p102 ... the South Korean armed forces-today, some 670,000 men, 461 combat aircraft, and a navy that includes 44 destroyers, frigates, and
103 Pacificjourney : Christ man, can you read ? End of post 71 already stating I don't have documents, an answer to your question, get it ? Speaking of proof, pg. 102 of w
104 Galaxy5 : Here's what im saying. The US government still pays for 37000 troops to be in Korea we built the bases there, we pay to have those bases maintained, a
105 Post contains images Manni : Galaxy5, Whit a bit of research on the internet you will find out for yourself that Pacificjourney is correct. It might not sound very logic to you th
106 KLAX : Why are there no protests against the Korean military for killing their own? I'd like to see this man get punished. How come NOBODY, none of you putkn
107 Galaxy5 : : Manni Respect Rating: 18 Posted 2002-12-22 11:42:38 and read 10 times. Galaxy5, Whit a bit of research on the internet you will find out for yoursel
108 Manni : Galaxy5, And your source is?
109 Twaneedsnohelp : In the news today: North Korea has removed the IAEA seals and surveilance devices from their nuclear facilities. The North Koreans can now build as mu
110 Yyz717 : TNNH, once again I'm in full agreement with you. I'd go further. The 37K US troops should be used to invade NK and disarm NK. They should then be remo
111 KLAX : I dunno, but NK is scaring the hell out of me, alot more then Iraq. Nobody is stopping them now, they're pretty much doing as they please! -Clovis
112 Post contains images Galaxy5 : wait until we try to do something against North Korea, im sure we will here the same things from the same people on here. " the peaceful innocent nort
113 Twaneedsnohelp : I'd go further. The 37K US troops should be used to invade NK and disarm NK. Yyz717: There is no one who would love to do this more than I. Problem. T
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