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Turbolet's Revelation  
User currently offlineTurbolet From Cape Verde, joined Nov 2007, 0 posts, RR: 1
Posted (11 years 7 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 1755 times:

The time has come to tell you all that I'm bisexual.

I know this will probably come as a great surprise to many people who know me on ICQ or AIM and whom I haven't told yet. But let me just say that now that I have learnt to be what I am, now that I have admitted it to myself, I feel a lot better than before (up to only a few weeks ago) when I used to hide from it. I'm proud of myself for having made this big realization. Obviously this is quite recent so only a few really close friends know so far, and you guys on the forum. I do hope that people in this forum are as open-minded as they appear and I'm confident that my sexuality will not change the way everyone here looks at me. The hardest part will be telling my parents but I've decided not to do that so far.

I'd also like to take this opportunity to publicly thank a fellow airliners.net member whom I've talked to on AIM and who has provided me with support and guidance. You know who you are and I've thanked you already, but I feel that I will never be able to pay you back for all that you've done for me. Without you, I wouldn't be where I am now.

Well, that's all I have to say. One of my New Year's resolutions is to be proud of myself and never feel ashamed, no matter what.

Best Regards,
-turbolet

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User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (11 years 7 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 1734 times:

The time has come to tell you all that I'm bisexual.

Big deal Big grin. There'll be people who tell you you're wrong, you're sick, you're having the best of both worlds and even that you're going to hell, but ignore them. It's your choice, whatever makes you happy.


User currently offlineAC320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (11 years 7 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 1731 times:

One of my New Year's resolutions is to be proud of myself and never feel ashamed, no matter what.

One of the better ones I've ever heard  Big thumbs up


User currently offlineTWAL1011 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 204 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (11 years 7 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1723 times:

Airliners.net must be the world's largest closet door.

User currently offlineADG From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (11 years 7 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1712 times:

As long as a person is monogomous and honest it really doesn't make any difference what their preferences are.





VH-ADG


User currently offlineKrushny From Spain, joined Dec 2000, 776 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (11 years 7 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1709 times:

At my age, most people like me (married, little kids, overworked) become bisexual. That means, having sex twice a year...  Innocent

User currently offlineTWAL1011 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 204 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (11 years 7 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1705 times:

As long as a person is monogomous...

By definition, it's gonna be kinda tough for him to work that. Don't ya think?


User currently offlineLH423 From Canada, joined Jul 1999, 6501 posts, RR: 54
Reply 7, posted (11 years 7 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 1690 times:

How do you mean, TWAL1011?

Hey man. Good job. Telling people (at least for me) has been pretty lacklustre, so I wish you the best of luck.

LH423



« On ne voit bien qu'avec le cœur. L'essentiel est invisible pour les yeux » Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
User currently offlineMD-90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 8502 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (11 years 7 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 1685 times:

That's one thing one of my friends is deathly afraid of: his parents finding out that he's gay. He's a junior in high school, which definately complicates things a bit, because high schoolers can be pretty cruel. But you know, when it got out that he really was gay (people just thought he was a little fruity), it was a big deal for a week, then it settled down. Mostly. And he is a Christian, a Baptist in fact. And I honestly think he's every bit as saved and destined for Heaven as I am. Congratulations on admitting it to people, Turbolet. That takes a lot of gumption.

User currently offlineShawn Patrick From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 2608 posts, RR: 17
Reply 9, posted (11 years 7 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 1675 times:

Well I'm a bit confusèd. The reason you were hiding it was because you were ashamed of it. But now you're not ashamed of it? If you don't mind my asking, how is it possible to make that mental switch? Seems kind of like you're lowering your expectations from yourself?

Shawn
Just trying to understand

User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16245 posts, RR: 56
Reply 10, posted (11 years 7 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 1671 times:

Seems kind of like you're lowering your expectations from yourself?

Maybe he's just building his self-confidence! I applaud Turbolet for having the courage to be honest.





Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineTWAL1011 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 204 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (11 years 7 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 1642 times:

How do you mean, TWAL1011?

What do you mean, what do I mean???

He's bisexual.

How can he remain monogamous?


User currently offlineWe're Nuts From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5722 posts, RR: 20
Reply 12, posted (11 years 7 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 1638 times:

Everyone is bisexual, few people actually admit it though. Anyway, it's good that you have stopped lying to yourself.


Dear moderators: No.
User currently offlineMaiznblu_757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5112 posts, RR: 50
Reply 13, posted (11 years 7 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 1632 times:

I'd also like to take this opportunity to publicly thank a fellow airliners.net member whom I've talked to on AIM and who has provided me with support and guidance. You know who you are and I've thanked you already, but I feel that I will never be able to pay you back for all that you've done for me. Without you, I wouldn't be where I am now.

Good job Matt D. How in the hell can you offer guidance if you cant admit it yourself! Jeesh.



User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (11 years 7 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 1623 times:

Everyone is bisexual, few people actually admit it though.

Speak for yourself. I seriously doubt that most guys have looked at another guy's hairy ass with a hard-on.

Charles


User currently offlineWe're Nuts From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5722 posts, RR: 20
Reply 15, posted (11 years 7 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 1620 times:

Speak for yourself. I seriously doubt that most guys have looked at another guy's hairy ass with a hard-on.

Can you have sex with a man? Yes, you're bisexual. We all are.



Dear moderators: No.
User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (11 years 7 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 1621 times:

Can you have sex with a man? Yes, you're bisexual. We all are.

ROTFLMAO!!!

If you are talking about the physical potential, granted. But your question can also be turned around. Can two cars exist in the same place at the same time? Yes. But you will never be able to drive them again. Just because you CAN do something does not mean that you would WANT to do it.

Anyway, To be bisexual, you have to be sexually attracted to both sexes. I expect that for most people, that isn't quite true.

Charles


User currently offlineWe're Nuts From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5722 posts, RR: 20
Reply 17, posted (11 years 7 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 1615 times:

Yes well attraction is merely a state of mind, which as I'm sure you know can change quickly.


Dear moderators: No.
User currently offline174thfwff From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (11 years 7 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 1612 times:

"Everyone is bisexual, few people actually admit it though."
Maybe it's what you think...but it's not the truth.


User currently offlineAn-225 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 3950 posts, RR: 40
Reply 19, posted (11 years 7 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 1598 times:

Congratulations, Turbolet. It takes a lot of guts to find out who you are, and somteimes it can be painful. But look at it this way - now you have the best of both worlds.

Enjoy,

Alex



Money does not bring you happiness. But it's better to cry in your own private limo than on a cold bus stop.
User currently offlineWe're Nuts From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5722 posts, RR: 20
Reply 20, posted (11 years 7 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 1595 times:

Maybe it's what you think...but it's not the truth.

Getting defensive? We are all made of the same material. Same parts, same places to put them. Like it or not, you are identical to any gay man.



Dear moderators: No.
User currently offlineTurbolet From Cape Verde, joined Nov 2007, 0 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (11 years 7 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 1576 times:

Seems that I need to make a few explanations:

-First of all regarding monogamy. Well, why should it be different for me than any straight married man? Don't tell me that no straight married man ever feels sexually attracted towards a woman other than his wife. The choice is then his. The only difference in my case is that if I ever do get married I can become sexually attracted to a woman or man, but other than that it's just the same thing. Get my point? Sexuality has nothing to do with being faithful or unfaithful.

-As regards religion. I was given religious freedom by my parents (who are agnostic) and I had been brought up at a Catholic primary school. Two or so years ago, though, I somehow distanced myself from Catholic faith and became more or less of an agnostic myself. Now my rejection of Catholicism comes stronger than ever before - how can I possibly be Catholic if the Church offers no tolerance to people who are not straight?

-To Shawn Patrick: before, I didn't ever admit to myself that I should be anything else than straight, it didn't even cross my mind. As an obvious result, I was scared of and uncomfortable with my attraction for members of the male gender. Now, having talked it over with people, I realized that I'm not entirely straight and came to accept that I am bisexual. Basically the reason for this switch was talking about it and gaining more self-esteem and courage. As I said, that's mostly the merit of a fellow member who I first mentioned my feelings to (Remember that big hug I wanted to give you? Well, you're gonna get it one day when we meet in person  Smile)

-The last point is that no, not everyone is bisexual. It's not a question of 'equipment', it's a question of feelings and attraction. In the case of most men, attraction towards other males is just not there so they're not bisexual. In my case it is there, but so is an attraction towards females. That makes my sexuality pretty obvious.

Thanks for the feedback to everyone!


User currently offlineGreg From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (11 years 7 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 1571 times:

Wow...something that makes you interesting.
Thank you for sharing on a aviation forum (was gay.com busy?)


User currently offline174thfwff From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (11 years 7 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 1561 times:

"Getting defensive? We are all made of the same material. Same parts, same places to put them. Like it or not, you are identical to any gay man."

And I'm identical to Adolf Hitler, Sadam Husane, Osama... your point?


User currently offlineDeanBNE From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (11 years 7 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 1556 times:

You are a brave and mature young man, turbolet.

Wow...something that makes you interesting.
Thank you for sharing on a aviation forum (was gay.com busy?)


Good to see homophobic homosexuals are alive and well on the NON-AVIATION forum.

Cheers,
Dean


25 Lindy : hehehehe .
26 American_4275 : Getting defensive? We are all made of the same material. Same parts, same places to put them. Like it or not, you are identical to any gay man. I foll
27 Post contains images American_4275 : BTW, Turbolet I know it can be hard to come out with this kind of thing, but it's really good to hear that you're pretty comfortable with the idea. I'
28 LH423 : DeanBNE: LOL! My sentiments exactly! LH423
29 Post contains images KLAX : Good to see homophobic homosexuals are alive and well on the NON-AVIATION forum. Cheers, Dean Yep Good for you Turbolet I hope you're happier everyday
30 Turbolet : As some people have put it, I can have 'the best of both worlds' now and sure enough, I intend to have it! I mean just look at the number of people I
31 We're Nuts : I like to think of sexual preference being similar to your "favorite food". It isn't a choice, and it isn't preprogrammed at birth, but rather it is a
32 Turbolet : We're Nuts: Don't take this personally, it's your opinion and it is my firm belief that every person has a right for an opinion and should never be at
33 Airways1 : I'd like to congratulate you, Turbolet. Not everyone has the maturity or confidence to do what you have done. Being bi- is neither here nor there, but
34 We're Nuts : Sometimes that which makes us unique is hard to understand. For instance, both of my parents hate flying, yet I love it. I wasn't born this way, and i
35 Greg : I just thinks its very strange the people 'come out' on forums that have nothing to do with sexuality. There was an interesting thread about this on t
36 Todareisinger : I like to think of sexual preference being similar to your "favorite food". It isn't a choice, and it isn't preprogrammed at birth, but rather it is a
37 LHMark : People come out where and when they're comfortable. It's a tribut to this forum that, despite all our worldly and cultural hostilities, we're enough o
38 We're Nuts : I never said it was a choice. Are you even reading my posts? Here, I'll make it easy for you: It isn't a choice -- and if that isn't enough: For insta
39 Mx5_boy : Cfalk says: """Speak for yourself. I seriously doubt that most guys have looked at another guy's hairy ass with a hard-on. Charles""" Ummm, I don't kn
40 TWAL1011 : I'm starting to get the feeling that Airliners.net is nothing more than a gay dating service with some airplanes and politics as a disguise.
41 We're Nuts : Why thank you MX5. You truly are fabulous!
42 174thfwff : Turbolet, You have to accept the fact people aren't going to be supportive... after all, you did post it in a "free" forum. -174th
43 TWAL1011 : You have to accept the fact people aren't going to be supportive... after all, you did post it in a "free" forum. And, France sucks.
44 Mx5_boy : TWAL1011, Why do you say that? Why not congradulate the lad for coming out? Or are you waiting to tell us that your secret closeted thing is about get
45 MD-90 : I think We're Nuts makes sense.
46 Shawn Patrick : I'm with We're Nuts on this, I don't think sexuality is defined at birth. First of all, when you were five years old, you didn't have a sexual orienta
47 Todareisinger : Bignuts has a point, just about everyone would be bisexual if they were put in a situation of *same sex only*. You only have to look at prisons as a p
48 We're Nuts : why the hell would there be so many tragedies with young people feeling they are gay? Because society kills them.
49 Post contains images Aviatsiya : 1) If all people are bisexual (except most won't admit it), how did you come to the realisation that you were bisexual? 2) Seeing as you are bisexual,
50 TodaReisinger : Because society kills them. Too often, yes; but if they had the ability to change from "gay" to "straight" or "bi"...these existential problems could
51 Post contains images We're Nuts : Toda: So you could start biting into raw onions or munching on monkey brains tomorrow without it bothering you one bit? Aviatsiya: So, so very innappr
52 Post contains images Aviatsiya : Nutsy OK, so that is Question 1 answered. Care to 'tackle' Question 2?
53 MD-90 : Perhaps it's not "society that kills young people who feel they are gay." It may come as a horrible shock to some of you, but maybe, just maybe do you
54 TodaReisinger : Toda: So you could start biting into raw onions or munching on monkey brains tomorrow without it bothering you one bit? I see that it's always a pleas
55 We're Nuts : Care to 'tackle' Question 2? Buy me a plane ticket and I'm there! For the weather, of course.... It may come as a horrible shock to some of you, but m
56 Sleekjet : Please read Romans 1. Now before the firestorm gets going, try to understand that it is possible to hate the sin without hating the sinner. Christ did
57 Post contains images DeanBNE : I sincerely hope God grants you the time to readjust your life. And here we have the token response by the white, middle-aged, middle-income straight
58 Mx5_boy : Sleekjet says: """Please read Romans 1.""" The problem with that mate is that you are telling me how to live my life where I am just asking you to acc
59 Todareisinger : I sincerely hope God grants you the time to readjust your life. Well...if He had given "them" the same sexual desires you have, the problem wouldn't e
60 Turbolet : The problem with society is that it has established a 'norm' for sexuality, which is being straight as indeed most people are, and the minorities, i.e
61 Mx5_boy : Isn't it a lovely thing about being Human, where we have the ability of love and hate... Where we can actually fall in love wih *someone* and feel the
62 We're Nuts : Toda, to which points did you want me to answer? Please make them clear to me, because I want to respond, but simply cannot find them. If this had the
63 Post contains images Beefmoney : Congrats on being comfortable enough to tell everyone on Airliners.net Turbolet. That took alot of courage. Secondly, I dont know about anyone else, b
64 Mx5_boy : Isn't it wonderful that we are all different? I've dated girls before and have certainly slept with many of them. My very last girlfriend made the fat
65 Turbolet : No matter who you are on this forum, remember it's about the person not what their sexual preferance is. Because if you do hate gays/lesbians/transexu
66 Buckfifty : Happy new year, eh. And don't let anyone get you down. It's something that may shock people at first, but if they all liked you before, it shouldn't c
67 Post contains images Turbolet : Beefmoney: Thanks, I'm honoured that you think of me as being courageous, but I really don't think that it's a matter of courage - if anything, I'm ju
68 Post contains images EGFF : "Speak for yourself. I seriously doubt that most guys have looked at another guy's hairy ass with a hard-on. Charles" LMFAO, that's got me on the floo
69 DC10GUY : Turbolet, Being Bi-sexual means that your have more than one sex partner, besides the moral issues raised here, Your lifestyle is a heath risk for eve
70 Post contains images Turbolet : DC10GUY: You do have a point, but don't make it sound so scary... Yes, I know I have a higher risk of AIDS than most people, but one can always take p
71 Dc10guy : Turbolet, The older you get them more you will realize that most of the time the screw'in you get ain't worth the screw'in you get !!! YOU must be saf
72 Buckfifty : DC10guy is being slightly paranoid here, though it's true that you should be safe when it comes to issues as such. However, the words that he seems to
73 Mx5_boy : DC10GUY, """Turbolet, Being Bi-sexual means that your have more than one sex partner, besides the moral issues raised here, Your lifestyle is a heath
74 Post contains images Beefmoney : Sorry about the "eewwwww" part turbolet That may have been a little harsh. Anyway, your right, I wouldnt kiss just any female. And when I fall in love
75 MD-90 : ::sighs:: from a friend of mine's webpage, http://www.freeopendiary.com/entryview.asp?authorcode=A553678&entry=10369 In 1990 Michael Fumento released
76 Turbolet : MD-90: Could you please, for the benefit of the forum, extract your own personal conclusion of around 100 words based on the text you have posted? Cal
77 Post contains images Apathoid : ~heavy sigh~.....
78 MD-90 : My personal conclusion: gays are desperate to find a cure for AIDS so they can have sex with less worry. Therefore, the willing media paints a picture
79 Sleekjet : MD-90: Matt: 5:11....Blessed are you when men revile you and persecute you and say all kinds of evil against you falsely on my account. Rejoice and be
80 Beefmoney : Sleekjet: You just quoted one of my favorite verses. I think back on that verse at least once a day. It gives me great strength.
81 Turbolet : Let's leave religion out of this, shall we? Heart disease and cancer both kill a lot more people than AIDS, and yet AIDS gets more research dollars. I
82 We're Nuts : A little medical clarification is need here. AIDS is a virus, i.e. a bundle of DNA, which you can destroy. Heart Disease is fatty build up in your hea
83 Buckfifty : Religious zealotry. I know people who believe in God that do more things to harm people than any gay person ever did. And I do not respect anyone who'
84 737doctor : I consider myself a Christian and yet I am often disturbed by the actions of other Christians (as well as those from other religions), from my own per
85 Post contains links Turbolet : Taken from the Times of Malta: http://www.timesofmalta.com/core/article.php?id=114151 Extract: Intolerance, and worse, persecution is unacceptable in
86 MD-90 : Bah. None of y'all offend me in the least. I'm a Christian, I don't take offense over petty things. Calling me a fool and an idiot doesn't mean I am o
87 777236ER : Omg do you read nothing? You can't pass on AIDS, you can pass on HIV!! That alone makes you lose a lot of credibility.
88 Post contains images Beefmoney : 777236ER: Chill out with the petty details. You can still understand his overall thoughts. BTW: It should be "Omg don't you read anything?"
89 MD-90 : Oh my God. OF COURSE I know that HIV is the virus that's passed on, not AIDS itself. Duh.
90 777236ER : Oh my God. OF COURSE I know that HIV is the virus that's passed on, not AIDS itself. Duh. Well then why did you write AIDS over and over? Btw, taking
91 We're Nuts : how does my thinking border on national socialism? Where did that come from? Well I've known two other people who think like you. One invaded Poland a
92 Ctbarnes : However, I still stand behind my words that gays are desperate to find a cure for AIDS so that they can have sex with less worry, but I know that they
93 MD-90 : Please remember, I didn't write that really long post myself 777236ER. And you're picking a little things that don't matter since you know that post i
94 Post contains images 777236ER : And you may not like it, but I'm won, saved, and forgiven You THINK you are, although all the evidence shows that when you die, the only thing that'll
95 BR715-A1-30 : Turbolet, If you come down to Gulfport, MS. The kid who lives on the street across from me is gay. He might can help you.
96 We're Nuts : MD-90, you are miraculously uninformed. Perhaps now would be a good time to take a break, hmmm?
97 Beefmoney : And you may not like it, but I'm won, saved, and forgiven You THINK you are, although all the evidence shows that when you die, the only thing that'll
98 Sleekjet : Hey 777: You wanted chapter and verse on marriage being between a man and a woman. One of many would be Matt. 19:5 (For this reason a man shall leave
99 MD-90 : Thanks Sleekjet, that's what immediately popped into my mind when he said he wanted that, but I've been packing all day to go back to school and haven
100 Vafi88 : Very nice turbolet! It takes a lot of guts to admit something like that, and don't feel down because you're different from people because you're not,
101 Mx5_boy : 737Doctor, I'm sorry to hear your brother passed away from AIDS complications. It's not a very nice situation for anyone to be in, like any fatal diso
102 Post contains links and images We're Nuts : Well MD-90, since you seem so hell-bent on proving that AIDS is the gay-man's disease, how do you explain this? http://www.avert.org/worldstats.htm Ha
103 Post contains images 777236ER : Oh yeah, that big pile of evidence given to us by people who have died and then told us there is no life after death. All that evidence. If you're goi
104 Turbolet : *Sigh* My coming out thread turns into a heated discussion about AIDS... Turbolet, If you come down to Gulfport, MS. The kid who lives on the street a
105 WiLdmanVzla : Why there's always discussions about religious issues when someone says he or she's gay or bisexual?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Being bisexual or homosexual is
106 Turbolet : WiLdmanVzla: First of all, thanks and I hope that you'll be tolerated and accepted by other people even when you come out completely. But hey, you bro
107 Turbolet : Another thing I might add regards a law they were proposing to pass in the Czech Republic about 'registered partnership' for couples of the same sex.
108 MD-90 : I suppose, Turbolet, that it seems natural for an obese man to overeat. And yet, the gay community shuns people who don't fit their standard of beauty
109 DeanBNE : I suppose, Turbolet, that it seems natural for an obese man to overeat. How the hell can any sane person make a comparison between sexuality and obesi
110 Sleekjet : Jesus said, "I am the way, the truth, and the life." If you think you can "learn about life" away and apart from the Bible and Jesus, your education w
111 Turbolet : I suppose, Turbolet, that it seems natural for an obese man to overeat. And yet, the gay community shuns people who don't fit their standard of beauty
112 Dc10guy : Speaking of being BI what about the Catholic priests that have been screwing them boys ??? Religion & homosexuality go hand & hand. In my book. They a
113 We're Nuts : Alright, MD-90, so in the US, you blame gay people for AIDS. After all, they spread it, right? No, we should blame the guy who had sex with a monkey.
114 MD-90 : DeanBNE, yes I'm suggesting that few heterosexuals have been infected (with HIV, not AIDS....geez) by having sex with other hetersexuals who ARE NOT d
115 Sleekjet : Wow. Calm down a little sir. There is no doubt some folks have done horrible things in the name of religion. God will deal with their sinfulness. I, t
116 We're Nuts : When I pass through the pearly gates and get a chance to talk to God, I will first thank Him for saving me through the gift of His son. Then I might a
117 MD-90 : Mx5_boy, I'm not accusing you of anything, but some of what you say sounds like what I imagine a demon would say. Honestly. The bible is a book of lie
118 Marco : Guys, Let not another christian zealot dictate how we live. The bible is a book of lies created to confuse and degenerate people. If you can't judge p
119 Turbolet : Okay, calling the Bible the book of lies is a bit harsh perhaps. The Bible is a crucial part of world literature in my opinion, and everyone should at
120 Mx5_boy : Guys, Let not another christian zealot dictate how we live. The bible is a book of lies created to confuse and degenerate people. If you can't judge p
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