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Our Enemy Is Not Iraq  
User currently offlineCba From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 4531 posts, RR: 3
Posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1343 times:

Through all the discussions about the possible war with Iraq, I have stopped to think for a second. Why are we going to attack Iraq? Yes Saddam is evil, and he does need to go, but we have a more serious problem in another country, Saudi Arabia. Most of the September 11 hijackers were Saudis. Saudi Arabia has a regime just as corrupt as that of Iraq. Al Qaeda was based in Afghanistan, and trained in the radical Islamic schools in Pakistan. Who funds these schools? None other than the Saudi government. To end terrorism, we must attack the root of the problem, and this root is Saudi Arabia, not Iraq. The Saudi regime needs to and to be replaced by a non-radical pro-Western government.

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User currently offlineMUC-PIX From Germany, joined Aug 2002, 178 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1335 times:

Countries giving away cheap oil and airfields cannot be bad and do not have to face the human rights charta. We only see what we want to see-and sometimes the world is to complicated for some guys... isn`t it?

User currently offlineJetService From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4798 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1334 times:

Cba, you say Saudi is just as evil as Iraq. So if you have two equally evil regimes, doesn't it make sense to go after the one with the most dangerous weapons and most willingness to use them?


"Shaddap you!"
User currently offlineScotty From UK - Scotland, joined Dec 1999, 1875 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1329 times:

And can anoyne tell me why Yemen needs Scud missiles please? If that shipment was bound for Iraq the US would quite rightly have sent the whole lot to the bottom of the Arabian Sea. So why not if its for Yemen?

Scotty


User currently offlineMUC-PIX From Germany, joined Aug 2002, 178 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1325 times:

JetService: This is an argument, that`s a serious point.

User currently offlineAvt007 From Canada, joined Jul 2000, 2132 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1315 times:

It seems to me that Saudi Arabia IS a non-radical, pro-Western government when compared to the rest of the region.

User currently offlineKROC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1306 times:

I would tend to agree with Cba, but would add that Iraq IS our enemy, and say that Saudi Arabia is not a friend, or an ally, (except when it benefitted them), and have a very currupt regime as well.I find it hard to trust anyone in that region, because like the rest of us, green rules.....green of money that is.

User currently offlineCedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8124 posts, RR: 54
Reply 7, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1302 times:

In what way is Iraq an enemy of the US? Has Iraq ever attacked the US, threatened to, or been suspected of planning to? Now or ever?

No.



fly Saha Air 707s daily from Tehran's downtown Mehrabad to Mashhad, Kish Island and Ahwaz
User currently offlineCba From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 4531 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1293 times:

Yes Iraq is evil and is our enemy, but Saudi Arabia can be tied to 9/11, Iraq can't. By attacking Iraq, Bush is simply finishing his father's leftovers. Saudi Arabia is the real problem. It is they who are funding the terrorists, not Saddam.

User currently offlineGalaxy5 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2034 posts, RR: 24
Reply 9, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1290 times:

Check these websites out and read the information (thoroughly) it may enlighten you.

http://www.ukonline.gov.uk/featurenews/iraqdossier.pdf
http://usinfo.state.gov/regional/nea/iraq/crimes/#saddam
http://www.defendamerica.gov/articles/dec2002/a121902d.html
http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/iraq_wmd/Iraq_Oct_2002.pdf



"damn, I didnt know prince could Ball like that" - Charlie Murphy
User currently offlineN79969 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1283 times:

I think that President Bush and PM Blair are going to have show the world their cards before or during any military action. I understand the importance of protecting sources and methods of intelligence but we risk the loss of moral imperative if the world is not shown evidence that Saddam actually posseses or is in the process of building WMD.

User currently offlineN79969 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1277 times:

I think both Iraq and Saudi Arabia threaten the United States. Iraq threatens the entire Persian Gulf including our allies with its military power. A nuclear-equipped Iraq will almost certainly use its might to blackmail and seize land from neighbors. When that happens, the rest of the world would be dragged into it.

Saudi Arabia threatens us by their two-faced approach. They are the laboratory culture where most of the world's Islamic fanatisicm was hatched and they continue to nurture it. At the same time, they pretend to be on our side.


User currently offline747-451 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 2417 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1260 times:

Iraq is not as much as a problem as is Saudi Arabia. Saddam is very, very obvious-a lunatic, craving power and status using toture, terror etc etc..all tha characteristics of a meglomaniac. SA on the other hand is much more dangerous kind of "enemy". They have the world at their feet by oil and turn the supply on an off as they see fit and have the power to ruin economies and commit blackmail by having the hands on the tap. Secondly and most perniciously, they use the proceeds of the oil to pay for terrorism with support of puppets, madrassas etc etc. Atta may have been in Iraq in 2000, but 15 were Saudi's. They are not our friends nor are they to be trusted. The US has even been protituted by them by having bases in their country under the guise to "protect" them and their horrible regieme.

User currently offlineMarco From United Arab Emirates, joined Jul 2000, 4169 posts, RR: 12
Reply 13, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 1229 times:

It seems to me that Saudi Arabia IS a non-radical, pro-Western government when compared to the rest of the region

It seems to me that you know nothing about Saudi.

Cba,

Excellent post. I agree with you 100%. Iraq doesn't support terrorism (Saddam's party is secular, not Islamic), binladen hates Saddam and vice versa.

We need to concentrate on Saudi and its population.



Proud to be an Assyrian!
User currently offlineFlyinIllini From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 59 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 1201 times:

Marco, Cedarjet, Cba....none of you know of what you speak. Iraq is absolutely a supporter of terrorists and specifically the Al Queda network. As I stated in another post...the only evidence I need for war with Iraq, Iran, Syria, N. Korea, etc....is videotape of 9/11. Any of you who don't think these governments supported these terrorists in one way or another should speak to someone with the CIA or FBI. Trust me on this. Saudi Arabia is an odd problem. A government that cooperates with the US for obvious reasons...with a population full of Western hatred. I have no problem with lumping them in. God bless USA.

Dubya




User currently offlineVafi88 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3116 posts, RR: 17
Reply 15, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 1186 times:

We can't judge from a fact that most of the terrorists were from saudi arabia that all of it is a big terrorist group.


I'd like to elect a president that has a Higher IQ than a retarted ant.
User currently offlineTwaneedsnohelp From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 1167 times:

I strongly agree that quite possibly Saudi Arabia posses the greatest threat to American independence and security of any country in the world.

On May 25 1961, President Kennedy said: I believe this nation should commit itself to achieving the goal, before the decade is out, of landing a man on the moon.

When today will our president say I believe this nation should commit itself to achieving the goal, before the decade is out of being completely independent of foreign oil

?????????

TNNH


User currently offlineOvelix From Greece, joined Aug 1999, 639 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 1157 times:

It seems to me that Saudi Arabia IS a non-radical, pro-Western government when compared to the rest of the region.

Yeah. A nation where the oppression of its own people is imposed by law (and an ally of course) is a nation where we can blind our eyes to in order to topple an enemy.



Check these websites out and read the information (thoroughly) it may enlighten you.

Galaxy, these are government sites. The problem is that we cannot trust the US government. Not after all the methods it used in the past years.


the only evidence I need for war with Iraq, Iran, Syria, N. Korea, etc....is videotape of 9/11.


That shows a lot about your view of justice and use of force.


Any of you who don't think these governments supported these terrorists in one way or another should speak to someone with the CIA or FBI.

LOL!!!


Kostas



User currently offlineOvelix From Greece, joined Aug 1999, 639 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 1155 times:


As for further information I can point you to highly reliable site. Here is the URL

http://www.dubyadubyadubya.com


User currently offlineHerman From Singapore, joined Jul 2000, 231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 1142 times:




Hey if u guys wanna look at the root of the problem then i suggest we look why many Saudis hate the Americans & the west. Maybe after intensive research we could safely say that the problem lies with America's foreign policy.


just a thought....


User currently offlineRyanb741 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2002, 3221 posts, RR: 15
Reply 20, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 1138 times:

I hate Saddam. But whoever said Iraq sponsors al Qaeda is a complete moron. Al Qaeda and Saddam loathe each other - Saddam is completely the opposite of what Al Qaeda is about. Al Qaeda seeks to impose Islamic rule, and defend the cause of Muslims. Saddam is a military man, who has killed many Muslims and who is hardly religious at all. Saddam is the kind of man Al Qaeda want out!!!!! Saddam and Al Qaeda are sworn enemies.


I used to think the brain is the most fascinating part of my body. But, hey, who is telling me that?
User currently offlineN79969 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 1125 times:

I agree with you FlyinIllini.

Ovelix,

You 'distrust' US government sites and then post that nonsense. Actually I think the Greek government is far more crooked and duplicitous than US government has have ever been. From everything I have read, Greece is actually a bigger bastion of rabid anti-American sentiment than France. So I am not surprised by your posts.


User currently offlineOvelix From Greece, joined Aug 1999, 639 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 1119 times:

I was obviously joking about the site N779. When someone posts as reliable information US government links what the rest are expected to do? Find Sadam's site?

And when you agree with someone who says that
"the only evidence I need for war with Iraq, Iran, Syria, N. Korea, etc....is videotape of 9/11"
...then I have a very good idea of what person you are.

Actually I think the Greek government is far more crooked and duplicitous than US government has have ever been. From everything I have read, Greece is actually a bigger bastion of rabid anti-American sentiment than France. So I am not surprised by your posts

Well, Greece had the utter "luck" to be "saved" by a US orchestrated military coup some years ago which resulted to a 7 year dictatorship. Bill Clinton himself apologised for that in his visit here so don't try to contradict this.

As for the anti-american chestnut, gimme a break. Everyone who doesn't kiss the soes of your war-mongering President is anti-american to you.

USA is a global power. A global power cannot defined by anything else but its military power. USA has no choice than to engage to a war. An empire that war created through wars can only be maintened with war.

Kostas






User currently offlineSebolino From France, joined May 2001, 3681 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 1145 times:

^&%&^$@^%$!!!!

You should read yourself !! What a bunch of nonsense.

What I read is that the USA must attack Saudi Arabia because this is not a "Pro Western" country.
Wow ! I'm impressed by that. That just means that you are a real threat to a big part of the world and should be considered as a terrorist.

And read also "God bless USA" which always make me laugh. Why would God be more with the USA than with Lichtenstein ? Perhaps you'll tell me.



User currently offlineFlyinIllini From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 59 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 1111 times:

It amazes me how quick the Eurosissies are to bash America and the pro American responses. Why am I not surprised at all that Sebolino is a Frenchie. France should kiss the ground America walks on and thank God every day for the United States. And Ovelix....wow..Euro journalist...another uninformed puppet. God bless USA is just a short prayer. Get over it. Dubya is my nickname due to my first name Warren..first letter..."W". I wasn't personally attacking anyone in here..yet you blast responses without any opinion or facts of your own. Kostas.......Do you not think these government have been involved in supporting the terrorists? If not, you need to find some new sources and dig a little deeper for your info. I happen to have VERY reliable sources with UNBELIEVABLE information. It pays to have friends in high places. As for not trusting the government...its funny...when the shit hits the fan anywhere in the world....who you gonna call? USA. One word can describe what the rest of the world feels about the USA....JEALOUSY.

Warren aka Dubya


25 Sebolino : I'm not bashing America but some people who have a very strange vision of freedom. Killing everything which is not "pro-American" or "pro-Western worl
26 Ovelix : Eurosissies France should kiss the ground America walks on and thank God every day for the United States Ovelix....wow..Euro journalist...another unin
27 Post contains links N79969 : Ovelix, I was agreeing with his assertion that Europeans will never pass up a chance to bash the US. I still do. "USA is a global power. A global powe
28 Post contains links Ovelix : N79969 My answer is taken directly from the URL you pasted. From the CNN: "5,500 protesters, mostly communists gathered in front of the Parliament bui
29 Ovelix : If it were not Bush's military buildup, the IAEA would be in Vienna guessing about Saddam's intentions rather than inspecting sites in Iraq Well, that
30 N79969 : "And USA military bases around the world apparently isn't." No. Absolutely not. That is a ridiculous attempt at drawing a parallel. We do not govern J
31 N79969 : US Officials have repeatedly said that if Saddam disarms, that would count as regime change. The offer is still open to Saddam. We ask for regime chan
32 Marco : Hey if u guys wanna look at the root of the problem then i suggest we look why many Saudis hate the Americans & the west. Maybe after intensive resear
33 FlyinIllini : Okay Kostas....lets hear the facts. Do you have any? You have been to Iraq? You have evidence proving all of the weapons were destroyed? They haven't
34 Twaneedsnohelp : Maybe after intensive research we could safely say that the problem lies with America's foreign policy. what a cop out. The innumerable failings and c
35 Post contains images 747-451 : Yeah, its American Foreign Policy that is fostering the spread of radical Islamicism, sure right....
36 Post contains images Ryanb741 : Blaming American Foreign Policy entirely is out of order IMHO. Sure, the US has made mistakes but so has every other country. The one thing about the
37 N79969 : Since perception is often reality, our support for Israel encourages young Muslims to sign up for Jihad. There is no denying that.
38 N79969 : The trouble is that perception is shaped by tyrants such as the House of Saud and violent demagogues such as OBL. As TNNH infers, if the cable is brok
39 BA : Hey if u guys wanna look at the root of the problem then i suggest we look why many Saudis hate the Americans & the west. This is by far the best rema
40 Marco : Marco, you make me laugh. As one who has lived in Saudi Arabia for 11 years, you really humor me. I'm laughing and disgusted with that comment. You're
41 Marco : You don't see China being targetted by radical Muslims, do you? That's because China has a very efficient way of dealing with Islamic radicals. You do
42 Post contains images BA : Marco, remember that last argument we had? That ended up nowhere? I'm not about to continue the same discussion. I have a Chemistry test tommorow and
43 BA : That's because China has a very efficient way of dealing with Islamic radicals. Yeah, it's so efficient, you're absolutely right. Because they have no
44 Post contains images Rai : You don't see China being targetted by radical Muslims, do you? Not true at all, China has a HUGE problem with radical Islam in the Western provinces.
45 747-451 : "No country has any right to decide how Saudi Arabia should govern itself. These are internal issues that the country must deal internally and no one
46 Post contains images Marco : Yeah, it's so efficient, you're absolutely right. Because they have no problems with Islamic radicals. They basically don't have to do a thing! Quite
47 Post contains images Marco : Marco, remember that last argument we had? That ended up nowhere? I'm not about to continue the same discussion. I have a Chemistry test tommorow and
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