Sponsor Message:
Non Aviation Forum
My Starred Topics | Profile | New Topic | Forum Index | Help | Search 
Bush Says No To Affirmative Action  
User currently offlineMatt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 47
Posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3947 times:

I agree with this wholeheartedly. Like Bush says, I am not opposed to diversity in and of itself. I am one of those evil, spoiled rich white guys that's gotten to where he's at at the expense of minorities.

I've trampled on them.

I've beaten them.

I've singled them out and kept my foot down on them.

Right.  Insane

And if you believe any of the above three scenarios, then I've got some nice tropical rainforest in Alberta I'd like to sell you.

Seriously though, Like I said, I'm not opposed to any kind of divesity. I'm not going to go out of my way and single out some poor Latino or Black and keep him or her down. I've got better things to do with my time.

However, should one try and go after my livlihood-especially if they try and play the race card, then you bet your red, white, and blue ass that I'm going to fight back.

I won't take bread off your table. But goddammit. You better not try and take mine either.


However, a forced "quota" is tantamount to racism.


Anyway, here's the article:
http://www2.ocregister.com/ocrweb/ocr/article.do?id=20752§ion=NATION_WORLD&year=2003&month=1&day=16

"I strongly support diversity of all kinds, including racial diversity in higher education," Bush said in a nationally televised address. "But the method used by the University of Michigan to achieve this important goal is fundamentally flawed. At their core, the Michigan policies amount to a quota system that unfairly rewards or penalizes prospective students based solely on their race.

In putting himself on the side of three white students who assert they were denied admission to undergraduate and law programs in favor of less-qualified minority candidates, Bush moved to the front lines of the nation's heated debate about affirmative action.

Amen. I guess skills and qualifications are not longer top priority.

Civil-rights activist Jesse Jackson said Bush "is intentionally flaming racial fears for wedge politics.

Listen Mr Jesse Jackoff, why not address the issue instead of spewing out a bunch of heated rhetoric? You're the one that always likes to stir up the shit pot by playing the race card.


Michigan's undergraduate school rates potential undergraduates on a 150-point system, with black, Hispanic and Native American students receiving a 20-point bonus.

Why is this necessary? If this isn't blatant favoratism, bias, and racism, then I don't know what is. Why do they need "bonus" points? Does that suggest that they are unqualified to pass the tests on their own?

Or is racism only an issue if it puts minorities at the "disadvantage"?

Please spare me the "well you've had it well all your life" speech that I've heard so many times. I may or may not have, but what's that got to do with anything?

I guess maybe two wrongs don't make a right.

Or does it?

I guess it depends on who you ask.

After all, a Black Person who receives a raise or preferential treatment is not about to speak up and say "Hey....you're discriminating! I got a 20% raise and the whitey only got a 5%".


Right.











52 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineRyanb741 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2002, 3221 posts, RR: 15
Reply 1, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3934 times:

Affirmative action is appalling. If you are good enough for the job you should get it regardless of colour - and there should not be any bonus if you are not white. That in itself is racist - it says that non whites are too stupid to pass without help! If you feel you have been discriminated against on racial grounds, then go see a lawyer - the law of the land should protect against racial discrimination.


I used to think the brain is the most fascinating part of my body. But, hey, who is telling me that?
User currently offlineDC10Tony From United States of America, joined May 2001, 1012 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3929 times:

"Bush Says No To Affirmative Action"

AMEN.

Affirmative action is stupid. Just because you're not white doesn't mean you should get special treatment when applying for a job. Qualifications and experience should be the deciding factor in who gets a job, not the color of one's skin.


User currently offlinePPGMD From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 2453 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3913 times:

We don't have anyone opposing it yet, but for the person that will come and oppose it.

None of my family has been in the states before the Civil war, heck my mom is naturalized. Why should I pay for crimes that I never committed?

This same thing goes for reparrations, I will refuse to pay anything in reparations, in fact I would take any money that I would otherwise give them, double it, and pay for a lawyer to challenge the consituationality of it.



At worst, you screw up and die.
User currently offlineKROC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3914 times:

Let me say this, (and watch me get flamed like Matt D in a gay bar). While I DO NOT support afirmative action, I understand the need for it. If racism wasn't such a problem in the U.S. and many people (and just one person is too many) base hiring practices on peoples race, or etnicicity. It is people like that, that create the need for a program like Afirmative Action. Ones skin color should have no bearing on whether they get a job or not, but too many times the opposite happens, and because someone is say black, they don't get hired. Its a necessary evil.

User currently offlineAirworthy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3896 times:

Good Side To ECONOMIC Affirmative Action

I think the USA should have ECONOMIC affirmative action. Meaning, if you are in the lower economic brackets, you should receive special treatment. Racial affirmative acion is an attempt, but should be improved.



User currently offlineSaintsman From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2002, 2065 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3900 times:

What we need is a campaign against political correctness. Its affecting everywhere these days. It causes more resentment than it cures. What is required is not PC but PCM - political common sense!

User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3885 times:

And while you're all spouting off your high falutin deep thoughts, aka Jack Handy, here is something for both you and George "My Daddy got me into Yale and Harvard" Bush to ponder on:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/2660845.stm

Colour still marks US job market

The news is bleak for America's non-whites

People with white-sounding names stand a better chance of getting a job in the United States, a new survey has found.
Job-seekers with names like Greg and Anne get 50 % more replies from employers than black-sounding applicants such as Ebony and Rasheed, academics in Chicago and Boston found.

They sent out 5,000 fictional applications in response to newspaper job ads, carefully picking names on the basis of birth certificates.

"Our results so far suggest that there is a substantial amount of discrimination in the job recruiting process," the professors concluded in the study, which was reported by The Associated Press.

They found that "white" applicants received one response, whether by phone call, letter or e-mail, for every 10 CVs, but "black" applicants with equal credentials received one response per 15.

The professors at the University of Chicago Graduate School of Business and the Massachusetts Institute of Technology also concluded that companies purporting to be "equal-opportunity" were no more likely to respond to black CVs than other firms.

Other "white" names used by the professors included Neil, Brett, Emily and Jill, while among the "black" names were Tamika, Aisha, Kareem and Tyrone.


User currently offlineScorpio From Belgium, joined Oct 2001, 5051 posts, RR: 44
Reply 8, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3905 times:

KROC, I wholeheartedly agree with your post. While affirmative action is indeed racism itself, it is the lesser of two evils. Let's face it: the whole 'jobs should be based on qualifications, not race' is very nice, and true, but it's just not happening. Minorities are constantly discriminated against when applying for a job, not just in the US, it happens just as much in Europe too.

So while indeed it is not a 'good' solution, it's better than to act like the problem isn't there.


User currently offlineHeavymetal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3892 times:

Well said KROC. Well said.

The parameters and scale of the University of Michigan's policy have outlived the era they worked in...(and the stubborn tenacity with which status quo has been weakly legitimized was never helpful to begin with).

But I support the right of any body to argue that it can only better itself by expanding points of view. If 35 white suburban kids in a classroom discuss race, or socio-economics, or culture, or history based on what they've been taught in a middle class white environment, what kind of learning is going on compared to say, if it were 34 suburban white kids and one black kid from East Detroit? Or two black kids?

The idealogical war shouldn't be waged against mixing up the viewpoint pool....only wisdom comes from doing that (even for conservatives..conservative values able to stand up against noble and rational counter-points only become stronger and more valid, do they not?).

No this war should be waged on the techniques and parameters of how to go about ensuring diverse viewpoints.

Based on that I support the efforts to overturn...and re-tool, not cast off the reasons behind... Michigan's policy.


User currently offlineMatt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 47
Reply 10, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3884 times:

Well fine. So be it. If AA is the "lesser" of two evils as you call it, then oh well.

But it sounds to me like this is only a superficial remedy that does little to address the REAL problem of racism.

Sure AA may be of some economic benefit to Minorities in general. But look at all the baggage it brings with it:

Minorities will still be resented and treated as inferior because of the racist nature of AA.

Minorities achievements will never be taken seriously. Or for that matter, they won't get credit for it because many people will [rightly] assume that they got what thy got based on a political quota as opposed to actual hard work.


A Black Man in a Mercedes Benz will forever have the stigma of "being a pimp or drug dealer" or "driving while black" and will always be hassled and treated with acertain amount of condescention as opposed to true equality.

And above all else, so much for "equality". For in the end, these "independent, equal" people are still going to be dependant on the evil white man.

Talk about biting the hand that feeds you.


User currently offlineNormalSpeed From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3874 times:

"None of my family has been in the states before the Civil war, heck my mom is naturalized. Why should I pay for crimes that I never committed?"

I'm in pretty much the same boat (although it was my grandfather that was naturalized). Indeed, why should I be punished for actions that neither I nor my relatives had part in? I'd agree that blacks have had a tough go of it, but there's nothing I could have done to make it easier for them.

Afirmative Action: Perhaps it's just my niavety, but I don't see that blacks have major obstacles to getting jobs--at least those who are willing to get themselves educated for them. In other words, I don't believe that a black person who was the best applicant would be turned down because of his or her skin color. I certainly wouldn't do that if I were an employer. Maybe if there wasn't all this "being kept down by the man" rhetoric that pitts the classes against each other, there wouldn't even be a need for affirmative action.

'Speed



User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3875 times:

There is this fallacy that college admissions policies are a precise Science with tight parameters which are suddenly violated and torn asunder when it comes to admissions policies for black and hispanic students. However, the whole admissions policy is a very imprecise, subjective process in which socio-economic background, high school of graduation, gender, extracurriculars, alumni quotas, etc are thrown in. Admittedly, race is a factor too. Is it fair to assume that a black kid from the south side of chicago with an A- average and a score of say, 1150 on the SATs, could make a case for herself to be admitted into the Univ of Michigan over a white kid with an A average and a score of 1300 on the SATs (with a good dose of Kaplan coaching thrown in)? Perhaps. Its tough to do well on the South side of Chicago. I'm not sure any of us here could do that well. Some would argue that when race is just one factor then it is not affirmative action. Others would say that it is a slippery slope from strict quotas to "race as one factor." President Bush says that all kids in the top 10% of their schools in Texas get admission into the UT system, irrespective of the school they attended. But isn't that affirmative action as well, albeit in just a different form? Can you ever discount the factor of race and class and gender in the admissions process? I'm not sure you can, unless we move to a strict numbers based admissions policy you see in numerous European and Asian countries.

User currently offlineAirworthy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3871 times:

Its tough to do well on the South side of Chicago. I'm not sure any of us here could do that well.

Well said, that's why I think we should have economic affirmative action.

unless we move to a strict numbers based admissions policy

This is what most public colleges used. They put in all of your numbers into a formula and they admit the ones with the highest score.


User currently offlineN79969 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3873 times:

I have not read the White House Brief but from what I understand, Bush is not taking a swing at affirmative action in general.

Michigan gives African-Americans, Latinos, and Native Americans 15 (or 20) points automatically for their racial background during the admissions process. Essentially, your race is like lettering in a sport or being a Merit Scholar. I think the White House is challenging these crude numerical criteria that are tied soley to race.

"I don't believe that a black person who was the best applicant would be turned down because of his or her skin color."

I am certain that this still occurs. Although the majority of people are not racists, it only takes a few bigoted individuals to really mess things up.


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40065 posts, RR: 74
Reply 15, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3867 times:

I thought the conservatives would be angry at the President for weighing in on a frivolous lawsuit.
This case against the University of Michigan is nothing more than a frivolous lawsuit because the only reason these White students who were denied acceptance are complaining is because they think it's because they are White.

I guess this is part of Bushman's election stratagy for 2004. I looks as though he will run a Jessie Helms style campaign by race baiting. This goes to show that Bushman has NO economic plan to really stimulate the economy. Therefore more people will be out of work and the only thing he can do is pit Whites against Blacks to win. Why do you think Republicans do well in the South even though it is still the poorest region in the country?

Bushman has a lot of nerve considering it was a Black man that helped his Pappa get elected in 1988 (Willie Horton).



Bring back the Concorde
User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3848 times:

...This is what most public colleges used. They put in all of your numbers into a formula and they admit the ones with the highest score...

Perhaps, some do. But most play the numbers game for a first cut-off. Then, there are so many students with similar numbers that the admissions office is forced to use subjective criteria.


User currently offlineN79969 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3851 times:

Superfly,

I reiterate that Bush is targeting a very specific and crude practice at Michigan. I would not call that lawsuit frivolous at all.

"This goes to show that Bushman has NO economic plan to really stimulate the economy. Therefore more people will be out of work and the only thing he can do is pit Whites against Blacks to win. Why do you think Republicans do well in the South even though it is still the poorest region in the country?"

What? That was a poor attempt at parlay. The South has become Republican within the last 20 years and the South has prospered in the last 20 years. Atlanta, Charlotte, and other sunbelt cities are booming.

Finally, I think Bush has some genuine diversity in his cabinet at the highest levels. Clinton really like to promote his "cabinet that looks like America" but some of his minority appointees were just terrible. (Others were good though)


User currently offlineJcs17 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 8065 posts, RR: 39
Reply 18, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3854 times:

Lets get one thing straight: All affirmative action is racist, no matter what we are applying it to--whether it be college applicants or job applicants. It is totally unfair that a student with less qualifications than someone more qualified would gain admission to a college instead because of skin color.

Also, do you really think that the kid that was only admitted because of affirmative action will have a better chance of success in college? I think not, the opposite is most definitly true. We might even be throwing these kids into schools that they arent even ready academically to attend.

Is it fair to assume that a black kid from the south side of chicago with an A- average and a score of say, 1150 on the SATs, could make a case for herself to be admitted into the Univ of Michigan over a white kid with an A average and a score of 1300 on the SATs (with a good dose of Kaplan coaching thrown in

No. The numbers arent the same. I dont care about race, if it were up to me, you wouldnt have those stupid bubbles for race. There is a very good chance that the kid on the south side isnt even ready for a rigorous program like at Michigan...I'm not saying the kid should go to community college, but I think that by allowing her admission to a school like Michigan you are putting her at a disadvantage.

President Bush says that all kids in the top 10% of their schools in Texas get admission into the UT system, irrespective of the school they attended. But isn't that affirmative action as well, albeit in just a different form?

How is that affirmative action? Actually, it is every school except UT-Austin.

This is an absolutely great move by Bush on a very racist program.



America's chickens are coming home to rooooost!
User currently offlineMD-90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 8508 posts, RR: 12
Reply 19, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3848 times:

Where the heck did this come from? This goes to show that Bushman has NO economic plan to really stimulate the economy. You must have some awesome reasoning behind that statement.

User currently offlineN79969 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3842 times:

Jcs17,

The system used in Texas is affirmative action. Think about it. If a kid from a poor area gets a 1000 on the SAT and is in the top 10 %, he could displace a kid from a wealthy area with a 1250 who is in the top 15% of her class. I do like this system though because it seems to neutralize some of the background differences that would otherwise penalize all socially disadvantaged kids on a systematic basis. It is also race neutral on its face.

I do not like the Michigan system. It really dehumanizes applicants in my opinion.

Finally, I think it is desirable for society to help that south Chicago kid get into the upper echelons of academia rather than keeping him or her trapped in what will almost certainly be lower socioeconomic status. The cycle that kept that kid in a Chicago slum has to be broken somehow. Otherwise our country ends up with a permanent underclass.

I think you do raise a good point though. More needs to be done to prepare minority students for college well before SAT time.


User currently offlineAirworthy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3833 times:

The system used in Texas is affirmative action. Think about it. If a kid from a poor area gets a 1000 on the SAT and is in the top 10 %, he could displace a kid from a wealthy area with a 1250 who is in the top 15% of her class. I do like this system though because it seems to neutralize some of the background differences that would otherwise penalize all socially disadvantaged kids on a systematic basis. It is also race neutral on its face.

Yeah, that is a good program.

Otherwise our country ends up with a permanent underclass.

That's why I said we need economic affirmative action. Because the only way most of those kids in poor neighborhoods can get out, is if they can run a 3.7 40 or they can make great songs.





User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3825 times:

Jcs - I've been to school with minority kids who had SAT scores well below the norm for the school. Most did just fine, many graduated cum laude, and many of those went on to attend prestigious law and professional schools. As a matter of fact, it goes to show how arbitrary SATs are in determining success either in school or life thereafter. I taught Princeton Review SAT and LSAT classes for kids who could pony up more than $ 1500 per class, and believe me we raised their scores enough to make them competitive for admission to the school of their choice. This is why I like the subjective admissions policies of American universities over their European and Asian counterparts. Unfortunately, large university systems like U of Mich. don't have the luxury of going through every application and have to resort to arbitrary number assignments - 30 points for race, 10 points for extra-currics, etc, etc.

Whats more, many colleges have pre-freshman summer programs for kids from disadvantaged schools and neighborhoods (most happen to be black and hispanic students) to get them ready for rigorous college classes. For most of the part, these programs seem to work very well. Admittedly, I have seen some students flunk out of school, but then every program - including AA - comes with an inherent failure rate.

In any case, I doubt if the White House amicus brief will make much of a difference. The Justices are seldom swayed by political appeals.


User currently offlineAviatsiya From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3821 times:

Seriously though, Like I said, I'm not opposed to any kind of divesity. I'm not going to go out of my way and single out some poor Latino or Black and keep him or her down. I've got better things to do with my time.

Really Matt D? Really?

Repeat after me.

L-E-O-P-O-L-D

Any argument you may have had on anything to do with racial issues is basically blown out of the water with that. And you say above you have better things to do with your time?

It is for people like you Matt, that affirmative action is basically needed as an official policy in your country.

 Insane


User currently offlineFlyinIllini From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 59 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3810 times:

It seems as though it is assumed that racism is basically a US phenomenon. Well I have a news flash for everyone...it isn't. Racism is as old as the human race. It has always been and will always be...period. Silly programs like the US Affirmative Action is simply a concession by the US government. A handout. That's it. Poor America..be it white, black, latino, has been programmed to accept handouts. Something for nothing. It is a vicious cycle that is only broken within the family circle when a family patriarch decides "enough is enough", and teaches the family to work for their success instead of it being handed to them because of their color or socioeconomic status. The leaders of the black community in the US lobby for this type of treatment. When have you ever seen Jesse (where's the cameras) Jackson knee deep in the poor city projects teaching the families a work ethic? Never. He only teaches dependence, dependence on handouts and special treatment. Why do you not see Asian Americans...Vietnamese refugees in particular...whining about this? Because their families are proud and work for what they have.

You get what you work for. This country has boundless opportunities for anyone and everyone...you just have to be willing to work for it. If you are faced with racist treatment...learn how to effectively deal with it. It isn't going away.


25 N79969 : "It isn't going away." You're right and herein lies the problem. Affirmative action is not quite the handout that you make it out to be. It makes race
26 Boeing4ever : There are those who are calling Dubya a racist, and they are calling him a hypocrite. But wait a minute. Who's the real racist? By Affirmative Action
27 Jwenting : If you think AA has gone too far in the US, visit the Netherlands. Here there are laws stating that each and every company should have a minimum perce
28 Post contains images Superfly : N79969: Not a poor attempt at all. As more and more people loss there jobs, send in resumes, get passed up for job opportunities, Bushman needs a scap
29 Boeing4ever : Not a poor attempt at all. As more and more people loss there jobs, send in resumes, get passed up for job opportunities, Bushman needs a scapegoat to
30 N79969 : Superfly, Judging by the depth of your cynicism, you are far, far beyond persuasion. No matter what evidence or explanation I or anyone else could pro
31 NormalSpeed : "Your hatred of Bush pervades throughout your posts and has made you incapable of objectively judging the man or his motives." Yup, that's about the s
32 Twaneedsnohelp : Matt D: I am not opposed to diversity in and of itself. I hate people who say "in and of itself". It's the quickest way to determine the person your t
33 Post contains images Superfly : N79969: Your hatred of Bush pervades throughout your posts and has made you incapable of objectively judging the man or his motives. Come on, you can
34 N79969 : Superfly, Call it 'hatred' or 'zero respect'- whatever you want. Rather, I am pointing out that your dislike (lack of respect) for the man is almost
35 N79969 : Actually I don't know if 15 or 20 points equals a letter in sports for Michigan.
36 Superfly : N79969: The Bush version of Affirmative Action is assuming that test scores are the ultimate barometer of ones capabilities. The White students in thi
37 Jwenting : Superfly, a system in which you have to apply to many different universities (and maybe lines of study within those) in the hope of getting accepted b
38 Post contains links Superfly : Jwenting: Here is an interesting article you may want to glance at. http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/01/17/rice.action/index.html
39 N79969 : Superfly, The core of the lawsuit is one particular feature of the admissions process: an applicant automatically gets 15 or 20 points for black, lati
40 VonRichtofen : What if the applicant is half black and half white? Give him/her an extra 10 points instead of 20? lol
41 N79969 : That person will get the full 20 probably. I think if you have at least 1/8th of whatever ethnic heritage, you can claim it. I don't know the actual r
42 Post contains links N79969 : I don't quite agree with the editorial. But I think it is a thoughtful criticism of the White House position and worth reading. http://www.nytimes.com
43 Delta-flyer : Affirmative action was (and still is) a good idea, to the extent that blacks should be given a break because of centuries of oppression. Even a mere g
44 N79969 : I agree with Delta-Flyer. I think our efforts should focus upon improving primary education for childern from disadvantaged areas. If affirmative acti
45 Superfly : Delta-flyer: I also agree. When I started college, I had dorm/roommate from South-Central L.A. He and few other engineering majors from that part of t
46 Scootertrash : The facts are these: Affirmative action does not positively effect racism in America... it propogates it. Making any decisions based on race is detrem
47 Post contains images Superfly : Scootertrash: Giving away jobs or college educations due to some quota or government mandate will accomplish none of this. Giving away jobs or college
48 Scootertrash : Superfly: Wow, I am impressed! You covered the entire liberal agenda in that short post. How very concise of you! Look, you and I would find ourselves
49 Post contains images 727LOVER : Interesting, whites get a small and I do mean SMALL taste of what blacks have had to put up with for 200 or so years and now it's WAH WAH WAAAAHHHH!!!
50 Post contains images Superfly : Scootertrash: It is just another form of welfare... I challenge you to say that to an African American captian of a 747 or 777. Sorry man, race dosen'
51 Delta-flyer : I challenge you to say that to an African American captian of a 747 or 777. Sorry man, race dosen't get you in to the cockpit. It's skills and qualifi
52 N79969 : I agree with Delta-Flyer again. Well said. There is certainly an affirmative action-like system for the very affluent in the country. That is undeniab
Top Of Page
Forum Index

This topic is archived and can not be replied to any more.

Printer friendly format

Similar topics:More similar topics...
Chris Daughtry Says No To Fuel Gig posted Sun Jun 4 2006 11:07:17 by TedTAce
MS Says No To EFI Booting For Windows Vista. posted Fri Mar 10 2006 13:35:46 by Gordonsmall
Texas Says No To Gay Foster Parents posted Wed Apr 20 2005 20:33:02 by FlyingTexan
Canada Says No To US Anti-missile Shield posted Thu Feb 24 2005 21:19:02 by Sabenapilot
India Says No To Outside Tsunami Relief posted Thu Dec 30 2004 21:42:36 by Canuckpaxguy
Bush Says No To Muslim Peacekeeping Force posted Tue Oct 19 2004 09:46:24 by Dragon-wings
Bush Says No More Legacys....I Think! posted Mon Aug 9 2004 18:56:22 by Rsmith6621a
Sharon Says No To UN West Bank Mission posted Wed Apr 24 2002 10:48:42 by SAS23
Bush Says He Would Send Troops To Pakistan For OBL posted Thu Sep 21 2006 03:13:07 by Bushpilot
Bush Says Iraqis Ready To Take Power posted Fri May 21 2004 08:21:54 by Diamond