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Singapore, The Country People Love To Hate  
User currently offlineFrozensun From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (13 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1444 times:

hello everyone.

after reading some of the posts on pprune and noticing how certain contributors seem to have the same dislike, no, hate for SIA and singapore in general, i cannot help but feel frustrated what it is about my country that raises such feelings of animosity.

i am a singaporean student studying in the US right now. i must say that almost all of those i have gotten to know here show immense tolerance of where i come from, and how i am in terms of my culture etc, and are more than willing to learn the truth, or what i see as the truth, about where i am from.

why is it then, that certain individuals seem to revel in disparaging not just a singaporean company but the whole of the country instead? why do we receive flak for the laws we live by, the way we treat our fellow singaporeans and foreigners in the country, the way we choose to live our lives?

why is it also that some people can live with circulating the most bizarre rumors about my country? a post on this board some time back had people saying they heard that it was illegal to order below a certain amount of food when eating out, etc. i do not have an axe to grind with those who say that they have heard these rumors, what i do not undestand is why these rumors arise in the first place?

we singaporeans have been said to be foolishly accepting the censorship that is placed on our media, of condoning sweeping the truth under the carpet and so forth. is a blanket insult of the way we live as a result of how or government administers the country not tantamount to an insult of our intelligence and morals as human beings?

i also remember how some of you out there praised my country for being clean, efficient etc. thanks to all of you, i'm sure i am not the obly one who appreciates such feedback, but at the same time i must raise the point that some of this is certainly thanks to the laws that we live by. the rationale of the chewing gum ban is this: it causes subway doors to be jammed, for instance, and leads to inconvenience for the majority. is it wrong therefore to enforce such rules to maintain the benefit of the majority? granted that such rules shouldn't even need to be enforced in the first place, but in a situation where you have people who cannot show basic courtesy to others, would you rather let the problem persist or would you prefer for a law to be enforced?

and with regards to such issues as censorship, do people actually think we can get away with such policies without the rest of the world taking notice? please... such allegations are only another way of implying that singaporeans do not have the brains or the guts to stand up for their rights.

enough rambling from me... i just really want to know what it is about singapore that prompts so much animosity from other parts of the world.

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User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (13 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1345 times:

I went to Singapore last week for the first time, and as far as I'm concerned, if I would be transferred to Singapore tomorrow, I would not complain. The place is clean, well taken care of, economically stable, and the people I met were very cool.

Just my 2 cents.

Charles


User currently offlineCPDC10-30 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2000, 4781 posts, RR: 23
Reply 2, posted (13 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1342 times:

Its good to hear you standing up for your country, but don't take things too harshly. Many of the laws in Singapore are considered to be excessive and people are certainly entitled to that view. There are good and bad points to any country on this planet.

User currently offlineGUNDU From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (13 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1328 times:

How so very true.


A fellow Singaporean.
Gundu


User currently offlinePty From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (13 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1311 times:

It's the liberals of the United States and the parasites they represent who hate your country, friend. Those who voted G.W.B into office this Jan. 20th are your friends. Never forget that. I hope to vist your wonderful country some day.

User currently offlineBrissie_lions From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (13 years 8 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 1302 times:

Pty

Is there ever a time when you don't have a go at anyone on a political (fucking booooooooring) level? You need to fucking grow up!!

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As to Singapore being a country people love to hate.....I couldn't disagree more?

Singapore has got to be the safest city in the world (apart from Pyongyang), where one can totally feel safe. For example, one night, after having too much to drink, I passed out at McDonalds, right next door to the Istana. I know that the Istana is one place not to go around nighttime (or so I am told).

As to your laws over there. As far as I am concerned.....do the crime....do the time. I especially like the mandatory 1 year jail....no questions asked...for car theft. We could very well use that one down here.

To be honest with you guys, I couldn't care less what other people think of Singapore; whether they talk of no freedom of the press; no civil rights; etc (all bullshit), I think it is done so because of jealousy. The Singaporean people are happy with their society, and more power to ya all.


User currently offlineMx5_boy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (13 years 8 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 1296 times:

PTY says:

"""It's the liberals of the United States and the parasites they represent who hate your country, friend. Those who voted G.W.B into office this Jan. 20th are your friends. Never forget that. I hope to vist your wonderful country some day."""

I hate to say this, but if this is all that swirls around in that giant void between your ears, then there is not much hope for you left.

As for Singapore?

I love it. The safest city in Asia and probably the only city in SE Asia that you can drink the tap water. I do lot's of business with Singaporean's and with the exception of them continually bugging me to keep coming back, ( I mean that kindly) they have always been honest, pleasant and generous individuals.

Cheers,

mb


User currently offlineMx5_boy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (13 years 8 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 1279 times:

Pty,

Actually, I like some of your profile:

"Thank you, God. If you hate God, the United States or Capitalism then I am proud to have you as my mortal enemy."

Now, what was I saying about a "void"?

Cheers!!!!!

mb


User currently offlineOxygen From Hong Kong, joined Sep 1999, 674 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (13 years 8 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 1272 times:

To say the truth, I actually liked Singapore very much- clean and tidy and nice, and I read so many nice things about Singapore in the newspaper. I was once an SIA fan too(at least before i used this forum frequently), I collect SIA models and stuff. Actually, my family was just about to migrate to Singapore during the emigration rush before the 1997 handover, but when things seemed to be getting quite alright in Hong Kong, we decided to stay.

But some months ago I began to see many posts in the forum from Singaporean SIA fanatics, many of them are so arrogant, rude, ....etc ( I do not wish to talk much about that) and I felt quite disgusted about that. After that my impression about Singapore became quite negative, and so is SIA.

And for the Singapore law about getting too much food, that's what I heard from the tourguide when I was in Singapore.

that's all I have to say.


User currently offlineGUNDU From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (13 years 8 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 1269 times:

Hey there is no such law.At buffets,you want what,you get what.


gundu


User currently offlineBabyChamp From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (13 years 8 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 1264 times:

Yes, Singapore is the only country in SE Asia where you can drink tap water. I tried it before. I did nto fall ill.  Singapore grieved for the families whose loved ones perished on SQ006. The whole of Singapore felt the grief. I think Singapore is quite united. It is thanks to our government that Singapore is so established and well-known in the world.

A fellow Singaporean,
BabyChamp


User currently offlineGUNDU From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (13 years 8 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 1261 times:

Hey Oxygen,BabyChamp is quite right.

User currently offlineOxygen From Hong Kong, joined Sep 1999, 674 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (13 years 8 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 1254 times:

No Gundu, what I heard isn't that people have to order a certain amount of food, it was that one cannot have more than __% of food that is taken but not eaten.



User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (13 years 8 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 1253 times:

Do they measure your weight at arrival and departure, add the weight of the food you ordered, less the food you left on the table, less the amount you left in the toilet (important to get a reciept!), and surgically remove the surplus?

 

Charles


User currently offlineJubilee777 From Singapore, joined May 1999, 528 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (13 years 8 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 1250 times:

Cfalk.......LOL!

Actually, food that had been taken, but not finished will be subjected to additional charges. This applies ONLY to buffet styled dining where you can stuff your stomach with whatever you can eat. Anything left on the table will be subjected to $5 per 100g (not including bones, shells etc.) This is to prevent wastage of food.

Normal ala-carte order is not subjected to these charges

J777


User currently offlineKL From Hong Kong, joined Feb 2010, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (13 years 8 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 1242 times:

J777

I trust you are joking!!

Having just been to SIN, I can only say:
NEVER EVER AGAIN!

Talk about an Orwell society: BIG BROTHER is everywhere - except where it matters: Hygine in restaurants and food markets. Honestly they way food is treated is appaling!

Cameras everywhere you go: Fines for this, fines for that! No freedom of speach,no democracy, no respect for anayone not a singaporian. Rudeness in talking to custumers and an national airline that blatantly breaks international safety regulations.

No way Jose!


User currently offlineJubilee777 From Singapore, joined May 1999, 528 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (13 years 8 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1220 times:

KL: I am not joking.

I am from Singapore and i know what is going on in my country. And i think that the comments you had just made is the exact reason why this post is here.

We may be one of the most globalised cities in the world, but that doesn't mean we need to take orders from your western style of political governance.

DON'T TEACH US HOW TO RUN OUR COUNTRY is my advice for you egoistic/think you are the best,and condemn others just because we do things our way which may not be to your liking. The government here work for the good of the people of Singapore, and not for you people out there.

Hygine in restaurants and food markets. Honestly they way food is treated is appaling!

Apparently, you didn't realised that we have our set of rules regarding cleanliness. All the food establishments here have to display a certificate showing how clean a stall may be:

A - Excellent
B - Very Good
C - Satisfactory
D - Average

These certificates inform the public on how clean the food is at these food stalls. Every single stall have to display the certficate to the public so we can judge the cleanliness of the food/food preparation.

Cameras everywhere you go: Fines for this, fines for that! No freedom of speach,no democracy, no respect for anayone not a singaporian.

What cameras are those if i may ask.

Actually, i do love the T-shirts of the "fine" city. It is now almost a promotional gimmick, and one of the best souvenirs to take hom. It is also precisely of the fines that makes us one of the cleanest cities in the world. And who feels proud of it ? Us Singaporeans and not you, the tourists.

Likewise for freedoms. These are meant for us, and not you tourist, so why does it bother you in the first place. Do you really have to meddle in OUR business ? Or do you want to give a speech in Singapore...you can do that in our Speakers Corner...a rather small scale of the Hyde Park. All topics, except those relating to culture and race, are welcome. Our newspapers/media will also be willing to drag their cameras along to film your speech for EVERYONE to see.

a national airline that blatantly breaks international safety regulations

I would like you to proof that SIA breaks safety regulations...and if they are from pprune, you better find some better arguements.

J777


User currently offlineBrissie_lions From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (13 years 8 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1223 times:

Well said Jubilee 777.

From an Aussie to a Singaporean, all I can say is that all Singaporeans should be proud of their country. It really is the melting pot of Asia; you have Chinese, Malays, Indians, and a host of other "races" living in harmony, and it would not be possible elsewhere. Singaporeans enjoy what can only be the highest living standards in Asia (after Japan)

As to the fines in Singapore. I fully agree with the no littering, no smoking in public places (even though I am a smoker), chewing gum (Oh what problems they caused for the MRT huh?).

We could all take a leaf out of Singapore's book to see how a society should be run for harmonisation between all people.

The only thing I have against Singapore is that the authorities cleaned up Bughi Street. (sorry if I got the spelling wrong...I can never remember how to spell it).  

Cheers

Scotty


User currently offlineGUNDU From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (13 years 8 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 1205 times:

Is it Bugis street??And yes,KL,DON'T TEACH US HOW TO RUN OUR COUNTRY!!!

Ah,by the way,Singapore is democratic.Our food is greded into A,B,C and D and the best is A.Many eating establishments have the A grade and I can tell you,their standard is one of the best in the country.

SIA an airline that flouts IATA rules??Naaaahh.Another pprune user.DOH!!


Gundu
For goodness sake grow up KL.You had better listen to the respected users of this forum.


User currently offlineMx5_boy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (13 years 8 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 1202 times:

KL,

You haven't really travelled very much have you? I have never had a problem with any food "hawker style" or other in Singapore. Their ratings system for restaurants is an excellent idea, one that should be in place in many other cities.

Many western tourists definitely need to lift their attitudes of many parts of the world. I know that I could find abject squalor, poverty and dreadful restaurants in most western nations, particularly those that decry themselves the most.

In Singapore I found none of that to any degree compared to other nations. I always look forward to business trips to Singapore, the people are wonderful and will do anything for you. They are also very house proud, which is refreshing and honerable in these times of the 'me' society.

As for camera's everywhere? Big deal, they are there for good reason. We have them everywhere in the CBD of Sydney now. As for fines? Why do you think they are there? Why is Singapore so clean? I think you should re-think your attitude on Singapore after taking a look in your own back yard.

Perhaps then you may have a different opinion.

One of my favourite things years ago, when the MRT was reasonably new, was how every station name was spoken in Malay, English and Cantonese (correct me on the Cantonese if I am wrong.). That showed a respect for ALL Singaporeans. Do they still have that?

Cheers!

mb





User currently offlineAS737900 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 343 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (13 years 8 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 1196 times:

Ah. Singapore. A place I've never been to but would love to visit. Of course it's been talked up many times over by one of my friends who always seems to go at least every other month. (he works for Korean Air and has his benefits) Now if I could just save my money... Anyway... I'm just babbling on and on here... just felt like adding my two cents, and saying that Singapore is one place I'd love to take holiday in.

User currently offlineFrozensun From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (13 years 8 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 1189 times:

thanks guys for the kind words. errr.. i guess no thanks for the groundless criticism.

well my main issue i meant to raise was that i considered accusations that Singapore was subject to brutal censorship regulations and ridiculous laws was an insult to Singaporeans because i perceived that as an implication that Singaporeans were naive enough to take all these laws without questioning their relevance and intentions. now that i know some if not most people out there treat us as equally intelligent and discerning (?), it makes me feel a lot better. thanks.

ps. oxygen: i would think that forming negative impressions about a country because of what a small group of individuals say and how they behave is a gross over-generalisation.


User currently offlineOxygen From Hong Kong, joined Sep 1999, 674 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (13 years 8 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1176 times:

Frozensun, I don't think that this is gross over-generalization. For example, let's say you went for a visit in Australia. At the airport, you met a friendly immagration officer. After that you met a nice taxi-driver. At your hotel, you met a few very friendly hotel managers. On touring around, you met a few very friendly shopkeepers and a few extremely friendly pedestrians, and so you say," Australians are very friendly." Is that gross over-generalization ?

Well, according to you, this is gross over-generalization since meeting ten people out of the millions of people living in Australia doesn't mean anything about the country.


User currently offlineMx5_boy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (13 years 8 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1174 times:

Oxygen,

Depending on where you are coming from, people are entitled to their respective opinions. I have hardly ever come accross people who have complained about Australia or Australians in general.

There is good and bad service to be had here at any given time, but what you will find is that most people will respond with a winning smile and an interest of where you have come from. Sans of course, the jaded workers of some duty free stores.

I feel I can make very good judgements of many places I have been to as they have usually involved "repeat" visits. And I have never been one on any holiday to be "toured" around like a 5 year old on an outing to McD's. I choose to discover the city or town I am visiting by myself, without the benifit of tour guides. That way I am able to see the "real" of the places I have visited.

Of the many places I have been around the world I have found that people in ordinary places (and not tourist hell holes) are the most friendly. And that includes a big cross section of the world. Human curiosity and general kindness is something that everyone has.

BTW - Sydney has shown itself as the friendliest city in the world. With rave reviews of our Olympics and rave reveiws of our Volunteers who worked tirelesly to make sure that every international visitor had an enjoyable stay. Many of which are now wanting to instigate a volunteer organisation that has people roaming the city as "help".

However I digress on the topic, Singaporeans, as I have stated love to show off their town, and love helping foreigners, only matched by their next door neighbours the Malays.



Cheers,

mb


User currently offlineFrozensun From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (13 years 8 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1163 times:

oxygen:

meeting people face to face is different from meeting people (not even that, actually, more like reading what they type) are two different things, and i daresay forming impressions of a country based on what 5 or so people type on a somewhat anonymous discussion forum is hardly similar to meeting many (you cite ten or so, i think on a typical trip you meet and interact with way more than that) people face to face.

anyway i shall not get into a row with anyone, not least you, over this lest you form even more negative impressions of my country based on what i type. and furthermore, if you think people form impressions the way you do, why are you showing off such an antagonistic unfriendly side here? aren't you afraid we might hate your country based on what you've said here? oh well, just a random thought  Wink/being sarcastic


25 Post contains images Tbar220 : I guess I'm a little ignorant here. What are some of the restrictions in Singapore? Censorship of what? I don't know much about Singapore, and if some
26 L1011 : Singapore is my favorite country out of all the places I have visited. I've been there four times, and I definitely will go again. As a teacher in a s
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