Artsyman From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4745 posts, RR: 36 Posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2962 times:
Uday, who is Saddams son, today warned that 9.11 will be like a picnic compared to the losses that America will suffer if they have a war with Iraq.
One of the main quotes was ""It is better for them (the Americans) to keep themselves away from us, Because if they come, September 11 which they are crying over and see as a big thing will be a real picnic for them, They will be hurt and pay a price they will never imagine.
Now, I read this and thought to myself, how can they claim on one hand to have significant weapons at all, and then on the other make claims like this, which they couldnt possibly follow through on without such weapons.
Erj190 From Portugal, joined Dec 2000, 397 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2927 times:
A declaration just for public opinion consumption.
Remember Saddam back in 1991? "The mother of all battles" ?
It came out being the distant nephew of the third daughter of our neighbor's mother battle.
He his just bragging.
But it all depends of the Iraqis capacity to resist.
In a conventional battle, in a city, armour is totally insignificant.
If the people of Iraq, considers that they are being attacked by a foreign power, then they will rally behind their President, even if he is a killer like Saddam. If that happens, I wouldn't like to be an American GI in Iraq.
That war will have a substantial percentage of psychological warfare operations, to guarantee that Iraqis will not support Saddam's supporters. In that way, a war will be a three of four weeks event. Otherwise, things will get tough, even without chemical weapons.
Remember Vietnam, Americans used chemical weapons against the vietcong, and the Vietnamese where armed with little less than AK-47's, yet, they won.
The ground conditions are quite different though.
The main problem for Americans would be post war operations by fanatics of the Republican Guard. Something like the SS in Germany, which could fight even after the end, and cause casualties between US or British troops.
B757300 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 4114 posts, RR: 24 Reply 2, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2924 times:
Sounds like he is threatening the use of some kind of NBC weapons since we know Iraq's conventional forces will be nothing but cannon fodder for U.S. air power. When all the smoke clears, Iraq will be free from Saddam and his ilk and the world will be a safer place.
Alessandro From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 8, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 2875 times:
Uday is the stupid one, that Saddam try to kill (Uday is still limping), the one
to be careful about is Qusay. The 2nd oldest son of Saddam, cool, calculating
bastar.d that what he´s, not a bragging Psycho like Uday....
NormalSpeed From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 11, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2841 times:
Yeup, I heard that on Rush this morning. I haven't laughed so hard for a long time. These anti-war folks' whole premis is that there isn't a "smoking-gun," i.e. insufficient evidence of weapons of mass destruction. Yet this moron Uday is threatening use weapons of mass destruction on the US. What weapons, Uday?
Unbelievable that so many people buy Iraq's BS. Unbelievable that so many people don't think Iraq is a legitimate threat.
Which is not to say that I'd personally like to see the 'Mother of all wars.' But I think a surgical strike based regime change is in order. And in the end, it won't be my decision. But it appears that military action will be taken, and for that, I am grateful.
Gregjet From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 115 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2770 times:
I don't a war for one reason I don't want to be a part of it I am city boy I'm not built for war I really am I just don't want to go over there and mess with those crazy people. Oh yeah dose anyone know about the draft.
BA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11150 posts, RR: 60 Reply 19, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2750 times:
Maybe he says that an attack will boost terrorism for years to come?
This is I definately agree.
Unbelievable that so many people don't think Iraq is a legitimate threat.
Iraq is only a threat because America made them a threat.
If Iraq was such a huge threat, America would have handled the situation long ago, possibly during the Gulf War. If not, shortly after.
But they didn't. The idea to attack Iraq came up after 9/11.
So what's the point? The US Government is using 9/11 as an excuse to attack Iraq when the goal is to take hold of Iraq's oil. Of course, they're not going to say that.
There was talk recently that Iraq MAY have the largest oil reserves in the entire world. Right now, everyone believes that Saudi Arabia has the world's largest oil reserves (25% of the entire world's oil supply), but some scientists recently are being led to believe that Iraq has even larger reserves. But, no one really knows since doing the research is not exactly easy in Iraq due to all the restrictions.
Not to mention that nearly the entire world is against a war on Iraq. What does that tell you?
A war with Iraq will not accomplish anything, and will only create further hatred against the US. Not just from the Middle East, but from the entire world. Many here complain about all the anti-Americanism. Well open your eyes and ask yourself why? Because of the power hungry bully government that the US has. Nearly the entire world is against the United State's aggressive power hungry government. Even Great Britain, America's closest European ally stated that it will not support a war with Iraq. What does that tell you? The US is a minority when it comes to the opinion about a war with Iraq. A war will piss off the entire world. I think a war with Iraq would end up bringing more terrorist attacks against the US and even further criticism by the entire world INCLUDING it's allies.
Bush is after oil, plain and simple.
"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
JETPILOT From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3130 posts, RR: 30 Reply 20, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2748 times:
You know what? The war is about oil.... and the war is about a Bush familly grudge. But too damn bad.... we are the big boys on the block, and we don't care what the rest of the world thinks. We are without a doubt at this time going in to kick his ass.... and you know what? I could care less about any of the people in that country. We want a friendly regime to stabilize our oil supply.
You don't like it? Too damn bad.
We arent going in to destroy his weapons.... but he does have them. No question.
Who says oil isnt worth fighting for......
I hope he uses chemical weapons..... Im all for above ground nuclear testing.
JETPILOT From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3130 posts, RR: 30 Reply 24, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2731 times:
Yeah the earth is for everyone...... tell that to the Germans, the Japanese, the Russians, the Spanish, The British and anyone else who thought it appropriate to make an attempt at conquering the world.
When did everyone start thinking the world was a fair and just place?
So I guess a fair analogy to your comment of us deserving Sept 11th is akin to a women in a hot mini skirt, and a low cut blouse deserving to get raped.
I could care less at this point what the rest of the world thinks about us....
25 BA: Exactly. So what if the war is about oil? It's a valuable commodity worth fighting for. Because you are getting it forcefully. It's like a robber ente
26 BA: Rai, I WISH he is being sarcastic because he sets a bad example to the rest of the world. As for emotional. I really really get irritated by arrogance
27 JETPILOT: Im not an example.... Im an individual with an opinion. Im not reperesenting the other 280 million people here in America. Im not arrogant... Im reali
28 BA: Im not an example.... Im an individual with an opinion. Your an example of the United State's power hungry arrogant government. Im not arrogant... Im
29 Wardialer: Well, if Saddam's son or Osama Bin Laden were smart enough than they would just made those jetliners just crash into a nuclear plant or even the Wall
30 Konstantinos: This Oil thing is a big problem from what I see. I think the best thing for Saddam to do is to bomb all of his oil wells. I love my car and want fuel
31 Aloges: JETPILOT: "Yeah the earth is for everyone...... tell that to the Germans, the Japanese, the Russians, the Spanish, The British and anyone else who tho
32 Matt D: Let's tell them that into there face and laugh at them!! Because think about it, we as in the United States are still standing on our feet You can't b
33 Matt D: And just as a post script to my last message: To all of you that refer to the US as the "Great Evil", then perhaps you can answer for me why the US, f
34 Pacificjourney: ... it tells us you inhabit a strange and happy place known as MattD land and dance with the pixies before breakfast. Sure sounds better than reality
35 KLAX: The only way that the US will ever hope to be friends with the rest of the world (Western Europe in particular) is to 1) abolish Christianity, 2) beco
36 Aloges: "The only way that the US will ever hope to be friends with the rest of the world (Western Europe in particular) is to 1) abolish Christianity, 2) bec
37 Matt D: The way the US can be friends with most of the world (Western Europe in particular) is to accept the rules of the global village. And who, exactly set
38 Aloges: These rules are set by discussing them, by fundamental democratic values and by agreeing on them. They are always slightly changing. They are not set
39 NoUFO: If the US was so desperately needing Iraqi oil, its economy would already be down. I highly doubt it's all about oil. The U.S. will always have access
40 Matt D: So in other words, what you are saying is that the rules 'should be' mutually agreed to, but no one is actually bound to them if they so choose.
41 Aloges: It's always a government's choice whether it wants to feel bound to rules. The US government is feeling somehow bound to them (if not, Bagdad would be
42 Matt D: That's fine and all, but still, you never really answered my concerns about 1) why no matter what choice the US makes, it's screwed and 2) if the US r
43 Aloges: 1. There's always someone who'll screw the decisions anybody makes. If Bush turned round and wanted nothing more than peace, many Americans would be p
44 NormalSpeed: "The only way that the US will ever hope to be friends with the rest of the world (Western Europe in particular) is to 1) abolish Christianity, 2) bec
45 Aloges: 'Speed: stop this. It is incorrect, you know it. US & EU do need each other, imagine trading between the two entities was stopped.
46 NormalSpeed: "... imagine trading between the two entities was stopped." Let's see, the EU would crumble. Great idea! Seriously though, I don't have any problems w
47 Aloges: Then you better not board any civil aircraft after Bagdad has been burnt down. You should also move away from any nuclear power plant, factory handlin
48 NoUFO: We are talking about Europeans opposing military action that would help the US strengthen it's national security. That's a pseudo-definition. As I wro
49 EmiratesLover: Actually Uday is right, a war will make 9.11 look like a picnic, but the majority of the dead will be innocent Iraqis.So he is right, but this should
50 Aduum: hahahaha pacific journey that comment was great... had me laughing for ages!! Yes no offense but America really has to get 'over' itself.....as an Aus
51 Alpha 1: I don't expect America to take it too seriously, everyone knows the Americans do not give a damn about innocent people as long as they are not their
52 BA: It's the Arab world-the world you are so beholden to, EmiratesLover, that doesn't seem to give a damn about innocent people. Is this what you support?
53 Alpha 1: Is that what you really think Alpha 1? You think the Arab world are bloody savages? Did you not read my post at all, BA? Did I not mention SPECIFIC en
54 BA: Wrong-I don't have to accept another view that is seen as a threat to me and my country. If you believe otherwise, you're as insane as EmiratesLover i
55 Aduum: wo mate you are way out of line alph... if you were standing in front of me a punch would be going your way right about now... how can you be that rud
56 Aloges: Why don't you guys just calm down? Or ask a forum mod for some help? Like Hepkat?
57 BA: Read your reply to me carefully Alpha 1. Look how harsh and flamatory it is. I'm also disgusted about how you treat other's with different views and h
58 BA: Aloges, I was very calm until Alpha 1 started using flamatory remarks and called me insane. Shows how good mannered he is......
59 NormalSpeed: Aloges wrote: "You should also move away from any nuclear power plant, factory handling hazardous material and so on... " Aloges, To use an American f
60 Aloges: You're certainly not damned by Western countries if you do it the smart way. Hunt bin Laden down, destroy al-Qaeda, give Iraq a democratic regime, fig
61 Mandala499: Somehow I wish the cold war was back on... the world was a simpler place where hypocrisy was made by 2 sides greying out the right from the wrong... d
62 Alpha 1: There is a difference between accepting and agreeing. And what makes you think YOUR views are not a threat to his country? No, there's no difference,
63 Aloges: "Like I care if you don't like arguing with me. And I re-read what I wrote to you, BA? Show me where I bashed and flamed you? Show me, please?" My sym
64 Alpha 1: Alpha 1, you should be sent to a kindergarten for that. Stick it where the sun don't shine, Aloges. If you don't like it, you're the one with the prob
65 Aloges: "Alpha 1, you should be sent to a kindergarten for that. Stick it where the sun don't shine" I honestly think we should stop this before it turns into
66 NoUFO: I honestly think we should stop this before it turns into calling each other names. Good thinking, and may be you let me start with a list of thoughts
67 Alpha 1: Aloges, like I said, if you can't stand the heat, stay out of the debate. I guess it was allright for you to aim a low shot at me, but not visa versa,