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User currently offlineBoeing in pdx From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (11 years 9 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 4813 times:

The levels of Anti-Semitism and Anti-Americanism are so high here that I can not consort with the people here. I consider this site biased against Jews and Non Europeans!

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User currently offline777YYC From Canada, joined May 2000, 744 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (11 years 9 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 4780 times:

So you're saying everyone should tow the American line now?

Edit: And anyone who questions King Bush is somehow anti-american and therefore the devil.

[Edited 2003-01-25 00:16:00]

User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (11 years 9 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 4775 times:

Wow, you're cool. If only I was as cool as you. Deleting yourself from a WEBSITE (!) while proclaiming how anti-American and anti-semetic is really cool.

Not to beat about the bush (bit like Matt D...) but isn't this an aviation website? You may think that the non-av section is anti-American and anti-Semetic (which it isn't), but you have to be a bit of a moron to delete yourself due to a forum that has nothing to do with the aim of the site.

[Edited 2003-01-25 00:20:13]

User currently offlineRai From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (11 years 9 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 4756 times:

So you're saying everyone should tow the American line now?

No, we should tow the Canadian line.  Yeah sure  Yeah sure

It's a shame. Boeing in pdx is one of the original A.net forum members and it's sad to see him gone.


User currently offlineManni From South Korea, joined Nov 2001, 4221 posts, RR: 23
Reply 4, posted (11 years 9 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 4755 times:

Deleted and bye bye. All the different interpretations, views, opinions and understandings about a huge variety of issues make this site worth visiting, if you can't value that, you better go elsewhere.


SUPPORT THE LEBANESE CIVILIANS
User currently offlineAA61hvy From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 13977 posts, RR: 57
Reply 5, posted (11 years 9 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 4738 times:

Should this go in the site related forum?


Go big or go home
User currently offlineApathoid From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (11 years 9 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 4731 times:

This should go straight to the airwhiners forum.

User currently offlineCMK10 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 513 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (11 years 9 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 4702 times:

Of all the people to leave this is the best and probably most true reason in anyones farwell address.
DC-10's Forever



"Traveling light is the only way to fly" - Eric Clapton
User currently offlineEGGD From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 12443 posts, RR: 35
Reply 8, posted (11 years 9 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 4695 times:

lol its the most ignorant and immature.

I salute you!!! Farewell!


User currently offlineAA61hvy From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 13977 posts, RR: 57
Reply 9, posted (11 years 9 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 4667 times:

There are some truths to his post. There are some Anti-Americans here.


Go big or go home
User currently offlineYvr764 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (11 years 9 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 4673 times:

I think perhaps that this site is not anti-American or anti-Semitic, but I can understand why this perception can occur.

I experienced similar feelings when I moved to Canada. In the United States we are distantly removed from the criticisms and thoughts of other countries and their citizenry in regards to American politics and policies.

When residing in another country or in the case of a.net, these criticisms and opinions carry more weight because they confront and affect us on a more personal level.

Once I was able to realise that these statements and criticisms were not personal attacks against individual Americans but were directed at a national level, it helped me to put them into proper perspective.


User currently offlineI LOVE EWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 852 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (11 years 9 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 4667 times:

When someone has criticism that attacks America on the national level, I take it personal.

User currently offlineStaffan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (11 years 9 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4634 times:

I'm sorry to hear that you are leaving..

I enjoy this site and visit it because of the huge selection of aviation photographs and my interest in aviation, not because of the political views of the other members, too bad that politics are too important to you..

Staffan


User currently offlineYvr764 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (11 years 9 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4640 times:

I LOVE EWR:

I'm not here to start a hot debate or to disagree with you. If you consider a criticism of America a personal attack, then I can respect that.

I am curious though in your mind what makes America inherently right and what power do we have to designate which countries in the world are evil or undesirable and which are good? Is it based on those that we perceive present a threat to American security or American interests? Are some of the responses that you deem anti-American not other people reacting using the same principle?

Are we making the same arguments against those peoples and governments and expecting them to not take it personally? Do we somehow have the moral authority to criticise and sanction whomever we want at will and think that any opposition inherently means that we know best and everyone else is wrong? Because America is considered at present the financial and military superpower of the world, is this a right or responsibility? These aren't rhetorical or sarcastic questions, just honest queries that I'm curious as to what you think.

What defines anti-Americanism? Is it any opinion that does not agree with American policy? Is it something deeper and more sinister? The softwood lumber dispute is big here in British Columbia, and the US government has imposed prohibitive tarriffs on the much in demand lumber being transported to the US because the argument is that the lumber industry in Canada is unfairly subsidised by the government. Does this make the US anti-Canadian? I wouldn't think so. Do negative comments from BC lumbermen who are out of work make them anti-American? I would hope not. If these comments are directed at American legislation that has ultimately caused them to lose their jobs, is it a personal attack on you and should it be taken as such? Again, I would hope and think not.

I'm not disagreeing with what you said, although I do not feel the same way that you do. I'd be curious as to what you think.


User currently offlineAirplay From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (11 years 9 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4635 times:

Yvr764,

Excellent posts. You have an excellent grasp of the situation and present it quite well.

Boeing in PDX,

Don't let the door smack you in the tukus on the way out.....


User currently offlineEGGD From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 12443 posts, RR: 35
Reply 15, posted (11 years 9 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4625 times:

What I want to know is, why do you decide to delete yourself because of a non-aviation matter on an aviation forum? Maybe if you'd payed more attention to the aviation side of things you wouldn't have noticed the 'anti-american' minority that apparently exists.

I'd say that was immature no matter whether there are anti-americans here. I'd say there was definitely 'anti-pro americans', but doesn't it make you wonder why when you see silly little tantrums like this???


*sigh*


User currently offlineJcs17 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 8065 posts, RR: 39
Reply 16, posted (11 years 9 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4609 times:

I agree to a certain extent. It seems too often non-Americans can get off for criticizing another us, but if we turn it around and even jokingly (for example--We Surrender...Signed, France) make a comment about another nation we are flamed and told how we are uncultured idiots.


America's chickens are coming home to rooooost!
User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 59
Reply 17, posted (11 years 9 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4601 times:

The levels of Anti-Semitism.....

Arabs are Semites as well. NOT just the Jews.

So yes, there is a lot of anti-Semitism.

Yes, there is a lot of anti-Americanism here and it's a real shame because America is such a great country. But what can you do, when your government is a power hungry bully that wants to control the world?

Regards



"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
User currently offlineRai From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (11 years 9 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 4582 times:

Lance:

I like the way you present your arguments. I have noticed that they are clear, concise, well-written and extremely thoughtful (as only a fellow Southerner would  Big thumbs up). You present the “other side” in a way that’s bereft of the hostile and arrogant style that plagues others when presenting their vantage. If people were not so knee-jerk in their reflections of issues and the way they present them, like you seem to be, then we’d probably all get along more amicably.

I’ve been a member of these forums since 1999 (under different usernames). In general, I don’t think there’s been a prevailing “anti-American” sentiment around…at least in the beginning. The last year or so, discussions have started to heat up due to prevailing world events. This is no surprise. A lot of people (and this forum is no exception) are emotional concerning some of these events and perhaps this brings up the worst in them and blinds them in the way they convey themselves. Instead of logically thinking things through, like yourself, they rush to judgments in the “heat of the moment”, if you will. They may mean to say things one way, but because they act through passion rather than common sense, it will come out quite differently to how it was intended. This sense is further intensified as typing is the only mode of communication here; things are presented “as is” and what you see is what you get. Nobody knows the motives of the person behind this message and there really is no way of knowing since the only thing you know is what’s presented through a computer screen. This is the only way of how we view people and this is why we perceive them to hold the views we think they do, whether that is really the case or not.

Lance, not many people (and that includes Americans) believe that the US is the “moral authority” in this world. I’d hazard a guess that most people (Americans included as well) do not place the US on the pedestal compared to others either. We’re all people here and we generally have the same values and concepts of what is “right” and what is “wrong”. Anyone who thinks otherwise is probably way off in their judgment and should not be taken seriously. Just as anyone who thinks that Canada, Europe, Iraq, Japan or whoever has moral authority in their own rights is probably off judgment too. Nobody has moral authority over anyone, especially since we’re all guilty of sins in one way or another.

The biggest problem here, alluding to the notions I mentioned above, is that people on both sides assume this authority and state so in a brash, insulting and arrogant manor: “Americans are ignorant,” “Muslims are terrorists,” “Europeans don’t bathe.” We’re all guilty of this in some way or another and some people do this more so than others. That is what fuels the perception of “anti-whatever” in this forum and it should be as no surprise that people take it seriously. We’re all humans after all.

It has escalated the last few months. Boeing in PDX has been around since these forums’ conception (though I don’t recall him being actively involved in political topics) and it is sad to see him go. It’s a shame that some stupid hot heads spout their rhetoric the way they do and that he has to take it so personally. We’ve lost too many really good forum members (who espoused ideals all over the spectrum) the last six months and I think the non-aviation forum is at fault for this. Sure, maybe they take this all too seriously and they probably shouldn’t, but it really degenerates the overall aesthetic of this place. I suggest that this forum be taken away. This is an aviation website after all, isn’t it?

One more thing, Lance. We may have communicated via e-mail in the past – I don’t remember. I’m from “the Deep South” as well and lived in Canada for a good many years. I’m sure we have similar experiences as “good Southern boys” living in the “Great White North”. You can e-mail (cykotronic718@yahoo.com) me if you like because I’d be curious to hear your escapades.


User currently offlineIHadAPheo From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 6027 posts, RR: 55
Reply 19, posted (11 years 9 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 4574 times:

First off why leave?? stand up for your views....

My somewhat humble opinion is as follows

Being an American one of the things I love (love ??) about A.net are the vast and divergent views of world politics and aviation. As an example if I try have a discussion about the I vs P situation while at work for the most part all I get is a blank look and a few babblings about "those terrorists" (mind you these are college educated RNs and PAs). So my visits here are a welcome change of pace.

In addition there are many members whose political views are quite different from my own but I still can get along with them and join in the as an adult and put forth my point of view. Some of these people are on my respected user list as well.

So if you want to leave go ahead and go, but by leaving you are just going to make their negative opinions of Americans even stronger, your leaving is kid off like the child who gets upset while playing a game and says "it's my ball and if we can't play the game my way I'm going to take my ball and go home.

Oh well enough babblings from me about this but I just want you to know that not all Americans are so thin skinned when it come to critiquing of the US.

Yours,
IHadAPhediscussion o

Why do I smell an innuendo thread coming out of this ??




Pray hard but pray with care For the tears that you are crying now Are just your answered prayers
User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39906 posts, RR: 75
Reply 20, posted (11 years 9 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 4553 times:

Boeing in pdx:
Sad to see you go. We didn't agree on everything but I still liked reading your post. You were one of the few 'level-headed' members here. The fools here who constantly look for fights have ran you and another great member (Pam Am 747) away.

The rest of you guys really need to grow up. Yelling at someone who deleted themselve is as dumb as a dog chasing cars.



Bring back the Concorde
User currently offlineOO-AOG From Switzerland, joined Dec 2000, 1426 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (11 years 9 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 4511 times:

There are some truths to his post. There are some Anti-Americans here

It's true indeed, and also some:

anti-europeans
anti-brits
anti-muslims
anti-bush
anti-arabs
anti-french
anti-boeing
anti-airbus
anti-gay
anti-black
anti-christian
anti-terrorists
anti-peace
anti-war
anti-communists
anti-liberals
anti-democrats
anti-anti

We should all leave these forums because there's way too much different opinions here. Freedom of speech should be banned with immediate effect.
I'm so sad that an open-minded member such as Boeing in Pdx is leaving.  Yeah sure



Falcon....like a limo but with wings
User currently offlineRai From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (11 years 9 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 4503 times:

Freedom of speech should be banned with immediate effect.

This is a privately owned website. There is no such thing as freedom of speech here.


User currently offlineFSPilot747 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 3599 posts, RR: 12
Reply 23, posted (11 years 9 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 4490 times:

Adios



Sincerely,
FSP Big grin


User currently offlineAA61hvy From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 13977 posts, RR: 57
Reply 24, posted (11 years 9 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 4486 times:

I have had a few tonight, but seeing the anti-bush just made me laugh.


Go big or go home
25 Dc863 : Sorry to see Boeing go. Well someones got to stay and stand up to the liberals on the site.
26 Post contains images Manni : Damn, I'm anti-delete. What can I do to get rid of airliners.net. (TNNH, Alpha1, N7996 dont get excited, I'm only joking )
27 Hepkat : So if you want to leave go ahead and go, but by leaving you are just going to make their negative opinions of Americans even stronger, your leaving is
28 Post contains images EGGD : I couldn't agree more with IhadaPheo and Hepkat, they said it in a way that I couldn't be bothered to explain .
29 Aloges : I guess we're all anti-something? OO-AOG's list shows a neat assortment of options against what people are or are not. But I find it wrong to attack a
30 Indianguy : Boeing_in_pDX: Forums like these are a meeting gruond for people who have all kinds of beliefs. It is important to share ideas of different hues and g
31 KLAX : LOL. Same exact reasons why I'm leaving Le France...minus the anti-semitism... -Clovers :P
32 Post contains images 174thfwff : I think it's great that there are different opinions that are represented here on Airliners.net. Granted, I don't like some of them, however I feel it
33 AA61hvy : Indian Guy, he is a goner!
34 I LOVE EWR : YVR764 (Lance), You asked me some very valid questions and I will try to answer them. The United States Government is set up to protect America's Citi
35 Rai : The prohibited tariffs the US has passed is to protect American Interests. These interests in this example include the lumber industry of the American
36 Staffan : When you say that France and Germany aren't helping the US today, in the same way the US helped them during the world wars, I have to ask you one thin
37 Post contains images Twaneedsnohelp : Arabs are Semites as well. NOT just the Jews. Congratulations! You just made Boeinginpdx's point! TNNH
38 Post contains images Ryanb741 : Boeing in pdx - don't leave dude. I left in a fit of pique last year and really regretted it, and had to ask Johan for my username back. Nobody has a
39 SegmentKing : bye (you'll be back, it's not like this is 'real' life)
40 I LOVE EWR : Rai, thanks for correcting me on the US Lumber Situation. I understand that the US loses manufacturing jobs daily to cheaper labor, but like I said be
41 Mx5_boy : Guys, Another, "I am going to delete myself post". I often wonder at the mentality of people who post these things. Is it a cry for help? A cry of fru
42 I LOVE EWR : I'm proud our country is sticking with USA in the war on Terror and in the pre-empt on Iraq. You should be Mx5!! A big thank you to Australia and the
43 Turbolet : Anti-Semitism? Viva Malta! We speak a language of Semitic origin here. Jien hawn kont u hawn se nibqa, jghidu x' jghidu! (I was here and I'll stay her
44 Lubcha132 : there are plenty of anti-semites (who should choke) and anti-americans, and there is sometimes a double standard, but i just avoid that stuff.
45 ADG : actually, I dont think there are many (if any) anti-semites or anti-americans here, there are simply people who like to express their opinion and a wh
46 EGGD : I consider this site biased against Jews and Non Europeans! lol, just noticed this... ok about 65% of this board isn't from Europe, so how can it be b
47 Post contains images DaViD B. : How about arabs, blacks and asians? They dont count I guess -See Ya
48 We're Nuts : Don't let the door hit ya in the ass on the way out. And if anyone else is afraid of debate, feel free to follow him.
49 Post contains images Redngold : Heh heh heh my plan to eliminate all whiners is working... redngold
50 Teva : I LOVE EWR, I don't want to start a passionnate debate, but make some clarifications here. We thank the United States for what they have done during t
51 RA-85154 : Staffan has said it very good: I enjoy this site and visit it because of the huge selection of aviation photographs and my interest in aviation, not b
52 N79969 : For once I agree with Indianguy, I still cannot believe it. Did someone hack his account? This occasion deserves to be marked. Do whatever floats your
53 Swissgabe : Boeing in pdx What a posting ... You way is really that everyone who doesn't think like you seems to be a freak, even if both could be right or you mi
54 I LOVE EWR : Teva, Very true France has been quite friendly to the US. However there have been motives behind their actions 1) I consider La Fayette a Great Americ
55 GDB : Comparing Iraq to WW2 Europe is totally lame, don't build up that sorry gangster in Iraq to something he is not. Besides, there has been plenty of the
56 Hkgspotter1 : If your not in support of Bush then this is not the site for you !
57 Staffan : "Staffan, Germany attacked France TWICE. We helped TWICE. We were attacked by Terrorists. Are we being helped by those countries? There are NO differe
58 Post contains images ADG : "Staffan, Germany attacked France TWICE. We helped TWICE. We were attacked by Terrorists. Are we being helped by those countries? There are NO differe
59 Mt99 : Bye.. More space for others! Dont let the door hit your ass on the way out! How conceided are you? Why should we care? What makes you so special? Are
60 Alpha 1 : 1. America came into WW2 ONLY after Pearl Harbour had been attacked, after refusing to be involved when asked. A bit of revisionist history, ADG. No o
61 Teva : Alpha1, ADG is not revisionnist. He is just reffering to the attitude of the US governement at the beginning of the war, when they choose Vichy govern
62 Alpha 1 : Alpha1, ADG is not revisionnist. He is just reffering to the attitude of the US governement at the beginning of the war, when they choose Vichy govern
63 ADG : Alpha1, And one more question for ADG: you make it sound like the U.S. was somehow guilty of something by not entering the war "when asked"? That's on
64 EGGD : "Staffan, Germany attacked France TWICE. We helped TWICE. We were attacked by Terrorists. Are we being helped by those countries? There are NO differe
65 ADG : So I think they are slightly different.... hmmm.. wasn't that what I said? ADG
66 Post contains links PHX-LJU : I LOVE EWR wrote: "Staffan, Germany attacked France TWICE. We helped TWICE. We were attacked by Terrorists. Are we being helped by those countries? Th
67 Alpha 1 : That's only in the way you read it, I was merely pointing out the inaccuracies of the statement made by a poster above AND NOT making a judgement eith
68 ADG : Just goes to show that maybe you shouldn't be making assumptions.
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