777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (13 years 4 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 5173 times:
Wow, you're cool. If only I was as cool as you. Deleting yourself from a WEBSITE (!) while proclaiming how anti-American and anti-semetic is really cool.
Not to beat about the bush (bit like Matt D...) but isn't this an aviation website? You may think that the non-av section is anti-American and anti-Semetic (which it isn't), but you have to be a bit of a moron to delete yourself due to a forum that has nothing to do with the aim of the site.
Manni From South Korea, joined Nov 2001, 4221 posts, RR: 22
Reply 4, posted (13 years 4 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 5153 times:
Deleted and bye bye. All the different interpretations, views, opinions and understandings about a huge variety of issues make this site worth visiting, if you can't value that, you better go elsewhere.
Yvr764 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (13 years 4 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 5071 times:
I think perhaps that this site is not anti-American or anti-Semitic, but I can understand why this perception can occur.
I experienced similar feelings when I moved to Canada. In the United States we are distantly removed from the criticisms and thoughts of other countries and their citizenry in regards to American politics and policies.
When residing in another country or in the case of a.net, these criticisms and opinions carry more weight because they confront and affect us on a more personal level.
Once I was able to realise that these statements and criticisms were not personal attacks against individual Americans but were directed at a national level, it helped me to put them into proper perspective.
Staffan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (13 years 4 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 5032 times:
I'm sorry to hear that you are leaving..
I enjoy this site and visit it because of the huge selection of aviation photographs and my interest in aviation, not because of the political views of the other members, too bad that politics are too important to you..
Yvr764 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (13 years 4 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 5038 times:
I LOVE EWR:
I'm not here to start a hot debate or to disagree with you. If you consider a criticism of America a personal attack, then I can respect that.
I am curious though in your mind what makes America inherently right and what power do we have to designate which countries in the world are evil or undesirable and which are good? Is it based on those that we perceive present a threat to American security or American interests? Are some of the responses that you deem anti-American not other people reacting using the same principle?
Are we making the same arguments against those peoples and governments and expecting them to not take it personally? Do we somehow have the moral authority to criticise and sanction whomever we want at will and think that any opposition inherently means that we know best and everyone else is wrong? Because America is considered at present the financial and military superpower of the world, is this a right or responsibility? These aren't rhetorical or sarcastic questions, just honest queries that I'm curious as to what you think.
What defines anti-Americanism? Is it any opinion that does not agree with American policy? Is it something deeper and more sinister? The softwood lumber dispute is big here in British Columbia, and the US government has imposed prohibitive tarriffs on the much in demand lumber being transported to the US because the argument is that the lumber industry in Canada is unfairly subsidised by the government. Does this make the US anti-Canadian? I wouldn't think so. Do negative comments from BC lumbermen who are out of work make them anti-American? I would hope not. If these comments are directed at American legislation that has ultimately caused them to lose their jobs, is it a personal attack on you and should it be taken as such? Again, I would hope and think not.
I'm not disagreeing with what you said, although I do not feel the same way that you do. I'd be curious as to what you think.
EGGD From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 12443 posts, RR: 32
Reply 15, posted (13 years 4 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 5023 times:
What I want to know is, why do you decide to delete yourself because of a non-aviation matter on an aviation forum? Maybe if you'd payed more attention to the aviation side of things you wouldn't have noticed the 'anti-american' minority that apparently exists.
I'd say that was immature no matter whether there are anti-americans here. I'd say there was definitely 'anti-pro americans', but doesn't it make you wonder why when you see silly little tantrums like this???
Jcs17 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 8065 posts, RR: 36
Reply 16, posted (13 years 4 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 5007 times:
I agree to a certain extent. It seems too often non-Americans can get off for criticizing another us, but if we turn it around and even jokingly (for example--We Surrender...Signed, France) make a comment about another nation we are flamed and told how we are uncultured idiots.
BA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11200 posts, RR: 57
Reply 17, posted (13 years 4 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 4999 times:
The levels of Anti-Semitism.....
Arabs are Semites as well. NOT just the Jews.
So yes, there is a lot of anti-Semitism.
Yes, there is a lot of anti-Americanism here and it's a real shame because America is such a great country. But what can you do, when your government is a power hungry bully that wants to control the world?
"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
Rai From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (13 years 4 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 4980 times:
I like the way you present your arguments. I have noticed that they are clear, concise, well-written and extremely thoughtful (as only a fellow Southerner would ). You present the “other side” in a way that’s bereft of the hostile and arrogant style that plagues others when presenting their vantage. If people were not so knee-jerk in their reflections of issues and the way they present them, like you seem to be, then we’d probably all get along more amicably.
I’ve been a member of these forums since 1999 (under different usernames). In general, I don’t think there’s been a prevailing “anti-American” sentiment around…at least in the beginning. The last year or so, discussions have started to heat up due to prevailing world events. This is no surprise. A lot of people (and this forum is no exception) are emotional concerning some of these events and perhaps this brings up the worst in them and blinds them in the way they convey themselves. Instead of logically thinking things through, like yourself, they rush to judgments in the “heat of the moment”, if you will. They may mean to say things one way, but because they act through passion rather than common sense, it will come out quite differently to how it was intended. This sense is further intensified as typing is the only mode of communication here; things are presented “as is” and what you see is what you get. Nobody knows the motives of the person behind this message and there really is no way of knowing since the only thing you know is what’s presented through a computer screen. This is the only way of how we view people and this is why we perceive them to hold the views we think they do, whether that is really the case or not.
Lance, not many people (and that includes Americans) believe that the US is the “moral authority” in this world. I’d hazard a guess that most people (Americans included as well) do not place the US on the pedestal compared to others either. We’re all people here and we generally have the same values and concepts of what is “right” and what is “wrong”. Anyone who thinks otherwise is probably way off in their judgment and should not be taken seriously. Just as anyone who thinks that Canada, Europe, Iraq, Japan or whoever has moral authority in their own rights is probably off judgment too. Nobody has moral authority over anyone, especially since we’re all guilty of sins in one way or another.
The biggest problem here, alluding to the notions I mentioned above, is that people on both sides assume this authority and state so in a brash, insulting and arrogant manor: “Americans are ignorant,” “Muslims are terrorists,” “Europeans don’t bathe.” We’re all guilty of this in some way or another and some people do this more so than others. That is what fuels the perception of “anti-whatever” in this forum and it should be as no surprise that people take it seriously. We’re all humans after all.
It has escalated the last few months. Boeing in PDX has been around since these forums’ conception (though I don’t recall him being actively involved in political topics) and it is sad to see him go. It’s a shame that some stupid hot heads spout their rhetoric the way they do and that he has to take it so personally. We’ve lost too many really good forum members (who espoused ideals all over the spectrum) the last six months and I think the non-aviation forum is at fault for this. Sure, maybe they take this all too seriously and they probably shouldn’t, but it really degenerates the overall aesthetic of this place. I suggest that this forum be taken away. This is an aviation website after all, isn’t it?
One more thing, Lance. We may have communicated via e-mail in the past – I don’t remember. I’m from “the Deep South” as well and lived in Canada for a good many years. I’m sure we have similar experiences as “good Southern boys” living in the “Great White North”. You can e-mail (email@example.com) me if you like because I’d be curious to hear your escapades.
IHadAPheo From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 6028 posts, RR: 54
Reply 19, posted (13 years 4 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 4972 times:
First off why leave?? stand up for your views....
My somewhat humble opinion is as follows
Being an American one of the things I love (love ??) about A.net are the vast and divergent views of world politics and aviation. As an example if I try have a discussion about the I vs P situation while at work for the most part all I get is a blank look and a few babblings about "those terrorists" (mind you these are college educated RNs and PAs). So my visits here are a welcome change of pace.
In addition there are many members whose political views are quite different from my own but I still can get along with them and join in the as an adult and put forth my point of view. Some of these people are on my respected user list as well.
So if you want to leave go ahead and go, but by leaving you are just going to make their negative opinions of Americans even stronger, your leaving is kid off like the child who gets upset while playing a game and says "it's my ball and if we can't play the game my way I'm going to take my ball and go home.
Oh well enough babblings from me about this but I just want you to know that not all Americans are so thin skinned when it come to critiquing of the US.
Why do I smell an innuendo thread coming out of this ??
Pray hard but pray with care For the tears that you are crying now Are just your answered prayers
Superfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40298 posts, RR: 73
Reply 20, posted (13 years 4 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 4951 times:
Boeing in pdx:
Sad to see you go. We didn't agree on everything but I still liked reading your post. You were one of the few 'level-headed' members here. The fools here who constantly look for fights have ran you and another great member (Pam Am 747) away.
The rest of you guys really need to grow up. Yelling at someone who deleted themselve is as dumb as a dog chasing cars.
We should all leave these forums because there's way too much different opinions here. Freedom of speech should be banned with immediate effect.
I'm so sad that an open-minded member such as Boeing in Pdx is leaving.