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User currently offline9A-CRO From Croatia, joined Jun 2000, 1574 posts, RR: 8
Posted (13 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1514 times:
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why does US goverment have such grudge against Fidel Castro government - they are acting really irrational - what do they have against Fidel???
for example that idiotic law to punish all companies (even foreign) that trade with Cuba

VIVA FIDEL


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User currently offlineAccidentally From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 643 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (13 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1396 times:
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Cuba set up nuclear missles pointing towards the US. And threatened to start some nuclear war with us. I think Russia was part of this...I'm not certain if they were the U.S.S.R then tho...


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User currently offlineUSAirways737 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 1026 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (13 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 1394 times:

Actually the USSR put the missiles there but Cuba let them. I just saw part of "Thirteen Days" which is about the Cuban Missile Crisis. It is a great movie. There is also a special on MSNBC tonight about the Cuban Missile Crisis at 10/9C. I think the US has all the right in the world for not allowing trade between the two countries after Cuba almost allowing WWlll to start.

User currently offlineN766AS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (13 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 1393 times:

>VIVA FIDEL

How immature.

Of course the USA has a right to have the embargo- our history with Cuba since Fidel Castro took over and appointed himself dictator should affirm that.

Your immaturity and ignorance is really starting to annoy me.


User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (13 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 1385 times:

If I recall my history, while Castro was fighting a guerrilla war against Batista, himself a tin-pot dictator, the U.S. supported Castro with arms and training, as Castro said that he would establish a western-style democracy once Batista was overthrown. Once Castro gained power, he showed his true stripes, not only by kicking out his American supporters, but inviting the Soviets in and even allowing them to bring in ballistic missiles to aim at his former ally.

It was for that bit of back-stabbing treachery that an embargo was put on the island.

The only reason the embargo is still in place is that lowering it now would be regarded by the mobs as an admission of defeat. It should have been lowered years ago. Castro knows that he would last no more than a few years if the embargo was lifted, as the influx of business and tourism from only 90 miles away would quickly show the Cubans that they had been treated like mushrooms for the past 40 years - kept in the dark and fed bullshit. The embargo is the best thing to have happened to Castro, as it gives him someone else to blame his country's problems on.

Charles


User currently offlineLH423 From Canada, joined Jul 1999, 6501 posts, RR: 54
Reply 5, posted (13 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 1380 times:

No Cfalk, the US never supported Castro or his guerrillas. We supported Batista for the same reason we supported the Shah in Iran. Batista kept most of Cuba poor, while cosying up to the US government by essentially allowing US companies into Cuba without restriction, giving the access to cheap labour, which they exploited, and lots of resources, which they abused without care, leaving little for the Cuban public. Although I don't agree with Castro's position, and I find it silly that he still invokes the spirit of "la revolución." However, I can see his need to try and turn Cuba around. Yes, he did promise to turn Cuba around, and it appeared Cuba was going to improve. Then he turned it Communist, and alienated his potentially biggest ally, the US. Instead he teamed up with the Russians, and look where that got him. 11 years after the fall of the Berlin Wall, Cuba is piss poor, and their biggest ally, the USSR, no longer exist. The remnants of the USSR are but a weak piece of the puzzle that made that nation the powerhouse it was.

I believe in political and economic sanctions to a point. I believe that these sanctions have been going on long enough, and 40 years in, I think it's time for a thawing of relations between the United States and Cuba. I don't think I'll ever understand America's fear of Communism. Although I don't believe in Communism, I don't believe the US should alienate a neighbour simply because of their political policies.

LH423



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User currently offlineDG_pilot From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 856 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (13 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 1364 times:

"""Although I don't believe in Communism, I don't believe the US should alienate a neighbour simply because of their political policies."""

When that country and its 'political policies' threaten my country and its national security, I believe in taking appropriate action. I believe the U.S. did the right thing.

-Dustin


User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (13 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 1360 times:

LH423,

Actually, we both got it slightly wrong (Admittedly, me more than you  ).

Quote from the Encyclopedia Britannica :

"The corruption of the Batista government led the United States to withdraw all support. Castro had come to power with the support of most Cuban city dwellers on the basis of his promises to restore the 1940 constitution, create an honest administration, reinstate full civil and political liberties, and undertake moderate reforms. But once established as Cuba's leader he began to pursue more radical policies: Cuba's private commerce and industry were nationalized; sweeping land reforms were instituted; and American businesses and agricultural estates were expropriated. The United States was alienated by these policies and offended by Castro's fiery new anti-American rhetoric. His trade agreement with the Soviet Union in February 1960 further deepened American distrust. In 1960 most economic ties between Cuba and the United States were severed, and the United States broke diplomatic relations with the island nation in January 1961. "

So I was wrong in that the U.S. actively aided Castro, but they refused to support Batista and let him topple, believing Castro's rhetoric.

Charles


User currently offlineLH423 From Canada, joined Jul 1999, 6501 posts, RR: 54
Reply 8, posted (13 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 1355 times:

Yes, but that was almost 30 years ago. Forget the US, do you realize that if Russia had begun nuclear war on the US, they were beginning war on the entire world. Do you not realize that 4-100 megatonne blasts on the US would be enough to kill every person in North America and Western Europe, and cause severe damage in Asia, not only through the blasts, but through the fallout? That's it...kaput. Just the rubble and cockroaches!!! Then again, we could have just blown Moscow sky-high from all our weapons we had stocked on the USSR-Turkey border. Did you not know that the only reason the USSR put weapons in Cuba was because we were putting them in Turkey? Well we did, and that's why the USSR sent weapons to Cuba.

All I'm saying is that this was 30 years ago. Cuba is defenceless! They lost their ally in Europe. OUR CIA doesn't even consider then a threat to national security. Do you see Castro hurting from these sanctions? No! The Cuban people are the only ones who do, and that's why they flee Cuba in rickety rafts every day in hopes of reaching the US. It's time to end the embargo, and normalize relations with Cuba.

LH423



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User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (13 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 1351 times:

Remember that in the 50's and 60's, nuclear war was considered not only survivable, but inevitable by a lot of people. Nukes were considered just really powerful artillery.

As for your second point, I agree, and said so in my first post. The embargo keeps the island under Castro.

Charles


User currently offlineN766AS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (13 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1342 times:

>Do you see Castro hurting from these sanctions? No!

I believe the reason for these sanctions is to hurt (maybe not hurt but you get the idea) the Cuban people and, thus, create internal unrest to hopefully make the people revolt against their dictator. I don't think they are in place to directly hurt Castro himself, rather indirectly.


User currently offlineLH423 From Canada, joined Jul 1999, 6501 posts, RR: 54
Reply 11, posted (13 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 1336 times:

N766AS:Sanctions have been in effect for almost 40 years. In that time has there been any real civil unrest? No, because Fidel has an iron fist on the country, and the Cuban public is too poor to create any unrest, and they would be crushed. Also, to them, it's not worth uprising, possibly failing, and at the same time, not having any help from their powerful neighbour from the north. The sanctions are obsolete, and all they are doing is keeping a country poor. Cuba is renowned for its beautiful scenery and beaches. Do you realize what would happen to Cuba if it was opened up for American tourism? The nation's ecomony would skyrocket. There just becomes a point where the US is going to have to accept that the sanctions didn't work. 40 years on, Castro is still in control, and the Cuban people are poor. What's the point?

LH423



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User currently offlineN766AS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (13 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1329 times:

>The nation's ecomony would skyrocket

Just what we want- our commie neighbors to the south suddenly are blessed with a booming economy. No- until Castro is out, sanctions against Cuba shall not be lifted.

>In that time has there been any real civil unrest? No, because Fidel has an iron fist on the country, and the Cuban public is too poor to create any unrest, and they would be crushed

Sure- there was unrest in the beginning of his dictatorship.
Why are they poor? Because of Castro they are poor. So why should we give into this communist dictator because he has let his people suffer?! Whats the point?


User currently offline9A-CRO From Croatia, joined Jun 2000, 1574 posts, RR: 8
Reply 13, posted (13 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1321 times:
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OK US guys - you want to puniosh your companies trading with Cuba - do it - but do not try this on international companies - you are not emperors of the world
if some country put embargo on Coca-Cola and fine company you would propably launch airstikes  

and as LH423 said - US companies seeked cheap labour in Cuba and therefore exploiting country
aand this wouldn't make them rich - they would stay poor but without social security such as education, health care etc.

yes they maybe let USSR to point nukes at you, but as LH423 said it was todefend USSR from missiles in Turkey and West Europe -
so you are actually trying to say that you can threat another country but god forbid if that other country tried to defend

and before Castro - one of most influental groups of tourist on Cuba were mafia guys from USA

if there weren't Castro CUba would propably become US dominion (colony)



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User currently offline9A-CRO From Croatia, joined Jun 2000, 1574 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (13 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1315 times:
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N776AS '
N766AS - the reason for which I admire Fidel is that he one of very few wolrd leaders that has guts to say NO to USA
(and BTW. I know some people who have met him in person and they say that he is a very pleasant guy),
(and he wears high heels in order to look higher  

and BTW - if US supported Fidel he propably would not
turn to USSR

I watched documentary about Vietnam war - US could have avoided Ho Chi Min converting Vietnam to communistic country if they accepted Vietnam as a country an then Ho Chi Min wouldn't have to turn to Moscow (of course this would involve some US-France problems but there wouldn't be Vietnam war)



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User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (13 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1311 times:

9A-CRO,

While I agree about Vietnam, I don't agree about Castro.

Yes, Ho Chi Minh asked for help from the USA after WWII, assuming that as a former colony itself, the U.S. would have a natural affinity for helping a country win independence. However, the U.S. was trying to woo France into joining NATO at the time, and felt that France was more important. In fact, the French ended up asking the U.S. to help with their Vietnam problem, which started U.S. involvement there, and ended up pulling out of Vietnam themselves, leaving the U.S. stuck there, and not joining NATO anyway. The U.S. really got suckered into Vietnam, and it snowballed.

Castro is only interested in his own power. Just like Saddam, he is willing to see his country go into the crapper as long as he stays in power. If he really cared for his country, he would have resigned long ago, let a new administration come in untarnished by the past, and rebuild Cuba's international relations.

Charles


User currently offline747-451 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 2417 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (13 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 1304 times:

I agree..."If there was yourism, their economy would skyrocket"... yeah like in Atlantic City, N.J. (where you have a strip of hotels on the beach doing very,very well and the rest of the city is a complete slum...so much for prosperity.)

Castro makes his people poor with his antiquated utopianism policies.

Also "batista" let US interests take over"/"Batista was a US puppet" or some BS like that someone posted. Sure Catro got rid of US interests, so instead of banana's and hotes all they got were missles and bombs and Castro was is a "pupet of the communists"...Without the healthy "stipends" from theUSSR poverty is even worse.

Don't forget, Castro as a "communist puppet" aslo sponsors the spreading of communism and destabilzation of the region.

-451


User currently offlineGreeneyes53787 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 844 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (13 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 1300 times:

Our hatred for Cuba is as irrational as our great love affair with Kennedy. JFK was not that wonderful and Cuba was not that terrible.

Cuba never wanted the tactical or strategic Nuclear missles there anyway. The Russians imposed their will on Cuba- although Castro liked the support. Today the harder we try to impose democracy on them the more they resist it. Further, to impose our system on anybody is a statement against democracy- in a way. No matter what government they have I think we can trade with them if they aren't beating up on their own people and things like that.

Cuba used to be a great place to gamble. Nixon frequented that place until JFK made Americans hate Cubans.

Greeeneyes


User currently offlineLH423 From Canada, joined Jul 1999, 6501 posts, RR: 54
Reply 18, posted (13 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1291 times:

747-451 said:...yeah like in Atlantic City, N.J. (where you have a strip of hotels on the beach doing very,very well and the rest of the city is a complete slum...so much for prosperity.)

Look at the rest of the Caribbean. We have perfectly fine trade and tourism. You don't see Aruba or St. Maarten looking like Atlantic City, do you? No, because Atlantic City reflects the people that go there. I'm not trying to be an elitist snob, but it doesn't take much money for Joe Shmo from Paramus to take a drive down the Garden State Turnpike and get a cheap thrill in Atlantic City. However, it takes money for Mr. and Mrs. Smith from Tarrytown to organize and take the dream trip to the Caribbean, and they will spend some money while there. I think other islands are perfect examples of what a little American tourism can do. And believe me, the Cuban's hate Fidel, they just have no means of getting rid of him.

LH423



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User currently offlineIndianGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (13 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1279 times:

We see this everwhere. As long as as the despotic and staunchly pro-American Shah of Iran was in power in Iran, Iran was one of the "good" countries. But as soon as a democratic regime inimical to the US came up there, Iran is described as "EVIL". Ditto for Cuba.

It is the embargo, and not just Castro's policies that have starved Cuba and kept it backward. The International Community must take steps to end the evil embargo.


User currently offlineN766AS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (13 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1277 times:

IndianGuy, explain to me how Cuba is a "democratic regime inimical to the US"?
Is this the same Communist Cuba that I am aware of?
Regime, yes. Inimical, yes. Democratic, no- definately not.


User currently offlinePbb152 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 613 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (13 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1266 times:

Here we go again! Yes, we here in the U.S. and our government representatives are all evil! It is so easy for people from Australia, India, and Croatia, whose governments don't take a stand or a risk for anything or anyone, to question us. Believe it or not, this planet is in need of someone to police the world. Look at the Gulf War. Saddam Hussein somehow thought he and Iraq had "Imminent Domain" over Kuwait. He was nothing but a bully trying to steal land and oil that was not his. If it wasn't for the U.S. involvement, what would have happened? Their were 33 U.N. countries representing the Allied Forces in Desert Storm with upwards of 600,000 troops. 500,000 of those troops were from the U.S.A. We put a hell of a lot more lives, weapons, and reputation on the line than anyone else. That is evidenced by the fact that Saddam Hussein still blames George Bush for the Gulf War. Were we evil when we liberated Kuwait? Many people still say yes because Iraq is still under U.N sanctions. I would counter that Iraq and Suddam Hussein would probably occupy not only Kuwait, but would have invaded Saudi Arabia by now resulting in an even greater world crisis if we did not get involved. Like it or not, the U.S. took the stand, and everybody else followed. So we become evil because we take the necessary risks to maintain peace throughout the Middle East. It is the same thing with Cuba. Do you really think Fidel Castro is a saviour for the Cuban populace? Hell no he isn't. He is a stubborn Communist dictator who has total control over his people. He doesn't care about you people in Croatia, or anyone else who doesn't have a hand in the downfall of the U.S. and democracy. You are just plain ignorant if you think he does! If Fidel is such a great guy, why do hundreds or thousands of Cubans try to flee Cuba for the U.S. every month? I would think these Cuban citizens know Castro and his ways much better than a teenager from Croatia. You can hate the U.S. all you want chump! But, you know in times of need, you will call on us. And we'll be there!


Pete


User currently offlineMx5_boy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (13 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1265 times:

Pbb152,

"""Here we go again! Yes, we here in the U.S. and our government representatives are all evil! It is so easy for people from Australia, India, and Croatia, whose governments don't take a stand or a risk for anything or anyone, to question us."""

I don't see any Australians on this thread questioning the US's stance against Cuba.

Second of all, you ignorant git, what makes you think that Australia has not taken a stand against such things? I will let Brissie, if he can be bothered, to decry you further. But let it be said that many Americans on this forum will not take any criticism of their nation whatsoever. Regardless of proof or otherwise. It is getting to the point where member from other nations are chiming in and American bashing. Whilst you have citizens of your country posting ridiculous zenophobic posts to this forum you will find others of us who are far more educated and enlightened to what goes on in the world making educated and sometimes sarcastic or ruthless replies.

Cheers,


mb


User currently offlinePbb152 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 613 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (13 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1260 times:

Is that supposed to scare me that you're going to sick Brissie Lions on me? You called me ignorant, so why don't you respond Mx5boy?

BTW---I will never be offended by criticism towards the U.S. that is justified. This thread however is not. I only brought the Aussies into it because often times you guys play the "holier than thou" role as if we do everything wrong as opposed to you Aussies. My point is that it is easy to say that if you yourselves never get involved until you're pulled into it. The leader will always be the one most criticized in the end!

Pete


User currently offline9A-CRO From Croatia, joined Jun 2000, 1574 posts, RR: 8
Reply 24, posted (13 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1257 times:
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why do many cubans go to USA -
counter question - why do Puertoricans got to USA (mainland), why do Mexican go to USA
and how do you actually think that Cuba could developed if it has trade embargo at it's natural trade partner
Castro propably isn't the best solution for Cuba but US puppet wouldn't be also

and about US tending to democracy in other countries - I believe it was CIA that brought dictator Augusto Pinochet in power in Chile

the only difference between him and Castro is that he was pro-US oriented (and killed more people, if I am not wrong)





and the only instituion that can have police power is UN (United NATIONS) not USA



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25 Sccutler : Some of us are getting a little bitchy here, aren't we? Good old-fashioned capitalism is the best medicine. End the embargoes, watch Cuba flourish, wa
26 LH423 : Okay, of the three people showing their support for sanctions against Cuba, I note that only one, yes one, person was even alive during the Cuban Miss
27 9A-CRO : LH 423 question - I am not quite sure what is the purpose of your question - tourism existed before the break-up of Yugoslavia, and unfortunately ther
28 Post contains images LH423 : I realize tourism existed before the break-up of Yugoslavia, but I was under the impression that tourism had increased in the 10 years since. I have s
29 Post contains images 747-451 : I was born in 1963. But I read many books aout it, not only US "propoganda" but articles and books from Europe and South America. In college, we spoke
30 747-451 : 9ACRO, Before you point fingers at the US for installing(?) pinochet, what about your former benafactor (USSR)installing corrupt and muderous spheres
31 LH423 : 747-451, I was merely stating that countries do better off with the US. I went to St. Kitts, an independent nation in the Caribbean. Even though many
32 Post contains images N766AS : >I don't mean this in a mean tone, but what basis do you have for opposing relations with Cuba? Do you know some evil Cubans that are trying to overth
33 Brissie_lions : Are you advocating going against international law in your suggestion to kill an international head of state? Tut tut tut. The Western Hemisphere is a
34 Post contains images N766AS : My last paragraph was 100% faceousness, if you hadn't noticed OK, he has "cordial and diplomatic" relations with everyone else, so why does he need Am
35 9A-CRO : 747-451 it seems that is on of your posts you started with wrong information USSR was not benefactor of Yugoslavia, USSR and Yugoslavia broke they rel
36 Mx5_boy : N766AS says: """Which brings up a thought. MI6 should send to Cuba a 00-agent with a license to kill- Fidel Castro. Then the Western Hemisphere would
37 747-451 : Brissie_Lions, I'm soooo happy that Cuba has such good relations with her neighbors, except the US. Let them pick up the tab; lest we becalled imperia
38 IndianGuy : explain to me how Cuba is a "democratic regime inimical to the US"? Is this the same Communist Cuba that I am aware of? Regime, yes. Inimical, yes. D
39 LOT767-300ER : indianGuy the UN isnt everything man, most countries take it as a joke. Besides the security counsel controls everything. All of these peacekeeping mi
40 IndianGuy : Buying arms from a country does not mean that the country automatically becomes a satellite state. India is the largest customer for Russian arms, but
41 747-451 : Please, it was not only US companies looking to get rich off of Iraq. It was the French and other European manufacturers/oil producers as well. The Os
42 IndianGuy : Get your facts right. Russians didnt us sell any nukes. Nor did it sell much nuclear technology to India. It was Canada that helped India get the bomb
43 747-451 : You have the gall to call me a bully? I am only answering your post with the same amount of poison and lack of objectivity you have towards the US. St
44 Polaris : A history question about the Missile Crisis: When did the USSR install missiles in Cuba that were pointed at the US? When did the US install missiles
45 747-451 : Oh, It's only OK for the USSR to have missiles?
46 Polaris : 747-451: If the sarcasm was directed at me, then it was misplaced. I am asking a couple of serious questions and am looking for legitimate, historical
47 747-451 : Sorry! If you read the last few posts, you see why I answered in a rash manner.... Anyway, here is a page for the Cuban Missile crisis(1962) http://li
48 LOT767-300ER : umm indian guy, i never said india was a satelitte! READ what i wrote! i just said that they bought arms. If your talking bout the UN i strongly disag
49 N766AS : >The UN isnt everything. But it should be. Definately not... >Iraq has and did have ties to USSR Damn right! An excerpt from Into the Storm by Tom Cla
50 747-451 : You have the gall to call me a bully? I am only answering your post with the same amount of poison and lack of objectivity you have towards the US. St
51 LOT767-300ER : 100% with you 747-451. India has tons of problems, look at the birth mortality, slums, dirtiness, overcrowding of everything, poor sanitation everythi
52 Trvlr : I think the US embargo is really what is keeping Castro in power. All of the contraband/economic influence that comes over from the U.S. is probably k
53 DeltaSFO : US Grudge Against Cuba? Try the Cuban grudge against the U.S. DeltaSFO
54 Post contains images Trvlr : Haha good point Pat: Castro and Cuba: We hate you! We hate the Cuban-American community! You and they are evil!! Bring back Elian!!! And by the way, c
55 Post contains images N766AS : haha... isn't that the truth, Aaron...you hit it right on the head
56 CstarU : Send Banana Republic (not the store) Mayor Joe Carollo and sometime fisherman, full-time janitor Donato Dalrymple back to Cuba. note: I know Donato is
57 747-451 : send fat facist Rosie O'Donnell, Babs the b*tch, Oprah Windbag, Alec Baldwin and Kim Bassinger too, so they can be in their "communist utopia". May th
58 Post contains images CstarU : I'm with you on some of those people except for Kim Basinger--send her to me! BTW, can you name me a hot lookin' conservative woman other than Linda T
59 747-451 : Hows about Katherine Harris...she's so hot; I bet it takes her longer to put on her eye makeup than than it took Michealangelo to paint the Cisitine C
60 IndianGuy : B747-451: Your favorite tactic when cornered is to talk about "problems" faced by India, Australia, Europe etc... Get over it man! Or if u r itching s
61 N766AS : >If Cuba is bad enough to warrant sanctions then why not China? Why? I don't know. I think we should set in place progressive sanctions against Commun
62 Post contains images Trvlr : China is a different case because it is so lucrative to trade with. The United States as a whole couldn't care one way or another whether Cuba has san
63 N766AS : Well, thats why I had that "progressive" bit in there. We need to persude our companies to move to other countries in the area where the same producti
64 Post contains images CPDC10-30 : I think IndianGuy put it best: JIang Zemin is today the toast at American parites. But the moment he starts refusing to bow down to American whims and
65 Mx5_boy : I think that if the rest of the worlds newspapers (sans USA) were filled with certain airliners.net American users anecdotes we probably would find th
66 Post contains images N766AS : I wouldn't say Nixon was a Liberal, but he sure wasn't the ideal Conservative, either... Remember that damned EPA got started up by him.
67 747-451 : I talk about issues too, I know my history as well. Castro is a murderer and despot. You wrote: "Your favorite tactic when cornered is to talk about "
68 Post contains images 747-451 : MX-5 They would probably scratch their heads as well reading some posts from you too...LOL
69 LOT767-300ER : right on 747-451, although i think the USA should cut all trade with china because of their human rights violations. Xcept they cant because Mr Clinto
70 Trvlr : No No No!! China is such a huge market it would crippling to the economy to cut trade!!! I agree with N766AS' idea of progressive sanctions. Aaron G.
71 IndianGuy : Arrogance? One look at the posts above on this thread, and oh yes the thread on the US Consitution and the UN, and everyone will know WHO is arrogant
72 N766AS : >Let me return your advice to you. Look at your own problems: Look at democratising your own internal power structure. Eliminate racism from your inst
73 Derico : How about leaving Cuba and Cubans alone? If they like Castro, is their right, if they hate him, they will overthrow the man. Simple as that. The world
74 IndianGuy : N766AS wrote: It is against everything America has been built on to try to smother racism. I agree, racism is bad, but people have the right to be rac
75 N766AS : IndianGuy, I ask you if you have ever read the First Amendment? If not, I suggest you do. Under the freedom of association (I guess freedom of speech,
76 IndianGuy : On this is way off topic (Cuba), but i have to correct you pal. I am truly shocked by your last 2 posts. Does the First Amendment also give people the
77 Cfalk : IndianGuy, "Does the First Amendment also give people the right to murder, rape and destroy other people and property that does not belong to them? "
78 9A-CRO : it seems that in US is better to be racist than communist {should be other way round}
79 Post contains links Cfalk : There are some around as well. If you recall the famous Florida butterfly ballot which was shown all over the net, there was a Workers' World candidat
80 N766AS : >Does the First Amendment also give people the right to murder, rape and destroy other people and property that does not belong to them? No. Charles i
81 747-451 : Your personal attacks bore me. Your attacks against the US, Republicans etc. bore me. Your arrogance and acting so pure bore me. Your illusion of perf
82 IndianGuy : Personal Attacks? Thats your speciality. "Illusion of Perfection"? Theres no such thing as perfection. Perfection is only an illusion. And that holds
83 Post contains images Tbar220 : Indian Guy, I have decided to chime in on this hotly debated topic. It has become much more than it really should have, but in a way, it has also beco
84 Cfalk : Just to make the distiction: Communism is an economic model - it has nothing to do with dictatorship or democracy, which are political models, so plea
85 N766AS : >India and the US? Well, the worlds 2 largest democracies are as FAR away from Perfection as Earth is from Pluto. The United States is NOT a democracy
86 Polaris : Such vitriol from LOT767-300ER! Many days ago, I asked two simple questions with regards to the missile crisis and was admonished to learn my history.
87 LOT767-300ER : polaris did you ever check what kind of missiles they were? Those in Turkey were not operational and those in Cuba were. First off they were two diffr
88 747-451 : I never said "I" or the "US" is perfect; quite the contrary. We have much progress to make; but I think we are in a better position than most; espcial
89 Polaris : I must confess, I have never been to Turkey and have, therefore, been unable to check to see if the missiles were operational. I have never been to Cu
90 LOT767-300ER : Thank you Polaris. i must also add that those US missiles range was barely enough to hit moscow, which wasent even certain if they would go that far.
91 N766AS : Woohoo... Seattle is spared... Anyone see 'Thirteen Days'? When they said that every place in the USA could be hit except Seattle, the audience had qu
92 LOT767-300ER : Saw it last weekend.
93 IndianGuy : 747-451: India DOES NOT ostracise Pakistan. Nor does it happen the other way round. Despite over 200,000 Indians falling victim to terrorism sponsored
94 Polaris : Uhm...you're welcome...I guess.
95 LOT767-300ER : IndianGuy all that talk about india putting embargos on diffrent countries is Bull!!!! The USA and India are 2 wwwwwwaaaaayyyyyy diffrent countries.
96 IndianGuy : On this specific issue of embargoes: 747-451 was talking about how the US has a right to ostracise Cuba, just as India ostracises other countries. REA
97 N766AS : >There is still hope for the wayward democracy! Dammit. First, we're not wayward (OK, the minority in the Senate is wayword and lots of the Hillary-fo
98 Post contains images Alle : I hope President Bush won't put sanctions for countries having diplomatic relations with Cuba. Then he would force many countries (including Finland)
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