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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29795 posts, RR: 58
Posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1583 times:

Iraq and Iran will co-chair the UN panel on disarmment during it's may session.

Here is the story

http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/01/28/sprj.irq.disarmament.conference/index.html

Anybody else besides me saying, HUH!?!

Anybody else wonder why the US feels that the UN has no will for enforcing Iraqi disarmament?


OBAMA-WORST PRESIDENT EVER....Even SKOORB would be better.
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User currently offlineHkgspotter1 From Hong Kong, joined Nov 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 1573 times:

Why do you care ?. Your own president has said he does not care what the UN says or does and if he wants to attack Iraq he will.




User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29795 posts, RR: 58
Reply 2, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 1565 times:

Well it does go to validate the position that you alledge that GW is taking.


OBAMA-WORST PRESIDENT EVER....Even SKOORB would be better.
User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 1560 times:

I can't wait for certain people to come in and say "what's wrong with that?", like they did with Libya's heading up the Human Rights Commission.

Charles


User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 1568 times:

Why do you care ?. Your own president has said he does not care what the UN says or does

Have you thought about the idea that perhaps the reason that Americans don't care much about the UN is that the UN keeps doing stupid things like this? Cause and effect.

Charles


User currently offlineIndianguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1535 times:


Well it does go to validate the position that you alledge that GW is taking.



HUH? And how is that?


User currently offlineOO-AOG From Switzerland, joined Dec 2000, 1426 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1510 times:

Just a direct consequence of a true democracy, Iraq and Iran have the right to give their opinion.
UN is not perfect for a simple reason: Decisions made by a group of different countries will never satisfied ALL the countries involved, quite obvious.
So to those anti-UN, a simple question....if there's no need of the UN, WHO will set the rules on the international scene? Each single country involved like USA or IRAQ? So the obvious conclusion will be that rules will be issued by the most powerful country and smaller ones will have to comply if they don't want to be invaded. Great.
Rules are important if there's a power behind, but power without rules is a terrible return in the past. That's why EACH single country has to comply with UN resolutions, US, Israel and Iraq included and only the UN should be able to decide wich country is a rogue state (via inspections if required)



Falcon....like a limo but with wings
User currently offlineN79969 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1488 times:

I have a hard time understanding why people are so eager to extend the benefits of 'democracy' to brutal dictators at the international level. These are the same dictators who aggresively crush any attempts to extend democracy to their own people.

Democracy is not about a voting process. It is about allowing individual human beings deciding how they will be governed. That is not what occured at the UN. The fact that the UN allowed Iraq and Iran to have assumed these roles is indefensible. This is no consequence of true democracy. This is a consequence of the perverted politics of the UN.


User currently offlineADG From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 1470 times:

I have a hard time understanding why people are so eager to extend the benefits of 'democracy' to brutal dictators at the international level.

Oh, I don't know .... because they may see the benefits of it and move towards it perhaps? Learn by example as they say.





ADG


User currently offlineN79969 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 1460 times:

History teaches us that they do not. The USSR and China did not take their voting experience in the UN and use it as a basis for implementing democracy for their individual citizens.

User currently offlineRyanb741 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2002, 3221 posts, RR: 16
Reply 10, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 1438 times:

If it is indeed true that those countries are heading the disarmament panel, why are we bombing Iraq? Surely we should be bombing the UN?!!?  Big thumbs up


I used to think the brain is the most fascinating part of my body. But, hey, who is telling me that?
User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 1436 times:

Shhhh, Ryan. Don't give them the idea, the temptation would be irresistible  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Charles


User currently offlineTwaneedsnohelp From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 1390 times:

I have a hard time understanding why people are so eager to extend the benefits of 'democracy' to brutal dictators at the international level.

Exactly my sentiments. And until someone answers inteligently, I'll remain stumped.

TNNH


User currently offlineFDXmech From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3251 posts, RR: 34
Reply 13, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 1379 times:

>>>UN is not perfect for a simple reason: Decisions made by a group of different countries will never satisfied ALL the countries involved, quite obvious.<<<

The concern isn't that the U.N. isn't perfect, rather, that it is ineffective. Not in everything it does, but in crucial areas such as enforcing disarmament in member states that have agreed to disarm.

>>>So to those anti-UN, a simple question....if there's no need of the UN, WHO will set the rules on the international scene?<<<

Excellant statement. There is the need for the U.N. But only if it has the will to enforce the rules it sets. Otherwise it is just a hollow mouthpiece, sort of a League of Nations. Should the U.N. become irrelevant, it will be by its own hand.

>>>Rules are important if there's a power behind, but power without rules is a terrible return in the past.<<<

Right, but as said above, you can set the rules and have power to enforce them. But without the will to use the power, the rules and power mean nothing.



You're only as good as your last departure.
User currently offlineScootertrash From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 569 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 1374 times:

Kudos FDXmech! I was going to express the same thoughts but you stole my thunder. The U.N. is an important body for international diplomatic discourse, but unless it makes the choice to enforce those resolutions which it has already passed, it is in serious danger of becoming irrelavent.

User currently offlineHeavymetal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 1365 times:

This is a game, nothing more.

The UN was conceived as neutral territory where everyone can have a voice. Clearly the pipsqueak class of nations is using their voices in gangbanging the US, like so many knats orbiting a horse's head. This stuff happens just to piss us off.

And, aparently, it's quite effective.


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