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Train Crash In Sydney - Up To 20 Dead..  
User currently offlineMx5_boy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (11 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1914 times:

Guys,

We've just got news of a really serious train wreck in the Southern Part of Sydney. The news reports were varying in their tolls, but it is expected that up to 20 or more people have been killed.

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/01/31/1043804502111.html

People are already talking of *terrorism* (not the media just yet - thankfully).

R.I.P. To those unfortunate to have been killed and condolences to thier families.

mb

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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29805 posts, RR: 58
Reply 1, posted (11 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1910 times:

From what I read on the CNN site, the accident is in a very difficult place to get to and extractation of wounded/injured involves handcarrying a stokes basket some distance.

It is way way way too early to pull the terroism lever yet.

Lets face it. Trains have so many things that can go wrong. Even that childhood hobby of putting coins on the track for the train to flattan can cause a de-railment if the train is at speed.



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User currently offlineMx5_boy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (11 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1907 times:

L-188,

Just talking about what the people in my office are saying. (Re-the terrorism theory)

As far as I am aware the track is fairly straight, relatively new and in a rather remote location.

The train is a G-Set (Tangara) Two story suburban / Intercity train that was first delivered in 1995 - so it's not that old.

Cityrail moves around 1 million people at day to over 300 destinations.

mb


User currently offlineCapt.Picard From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (11 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1895 times:

Shocking.

I was in Australia only a few weeks ago - my family live in Woonona which is a stop on this same line, (south coast line), albeit further down from waterfall. I'm familiar with all the place names reported such as Thirroul, Waterfall, Sutherland. I particularly remember the steeply sloping ravines, the escarpment along which the south coast line runs.....i'm honestly quite shocked as I used this train to get to Sydney every other day.....I am extremely saddened to hear there were fatalities.


User currently offlineTbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7013 posts, RR: 26
Reply 4, posted (11 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1885 times:

Man, this is bad news. What's with all the train accidents lately? I hope these people will be all right.


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User currently offlineTravelin man From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3529 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (11 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1880 times:

I hope the victims will be OK, and I definitely hope this isn't terrorism. CityRail was one of the options we used when getting around Sydney, and we found it efficient and clean.

I hope it was an unfortunate accident (but wish this accident didn't have to happen.)


User currently offlineMx5_boy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (11 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1881 times:


An ABC employee was return home on the train and suggested the Tangara Train sped up before derailing - other commuters looked alarmed.


http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/01/31/1043804506776.html

Take a look at the pictures on the website, it happened on a corner and appears the first carriage jumped the tracks, slammed into the rock wall cutting then bounced back onto the tracks.

Tangara crew operate the train using a T-bar on a console - forward to accelerate - backward to slow down - a mate who's a train buff said it's possible if the train picked up speed that the driver may have suffered a heart attack or anuerism and feel forward on the T-bar. Others suggest someone entered the cab - which is normally locked.

mb


User currently offlineADG From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (11 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1858 times:

My sympathies to the family/friends involved.






ADG


User currently offlineADG From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (11 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1839 times:

Another January, another train disaster :-(

9 dead, many injured 4 of them critical.

What a disaster .....

 Crying


ADG


User currently offlineSenliture From Australia, joined May 2000, 431 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (11 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1804 times:

some said it's caused by the temperature?
the temperature soared to 40oC the day before, then dropped to 15oC overnight and raise again the morning, which caused the shape of the rail changed?

 Crying
Senliture


User currently offlineADG From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (11 years 8 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 1780 times:

They say the track was inspected 3 times in the last 24 hours and they also say that 3 trains had used the track in the morning prior to the crash.

It's all speculation at the moment, but apprently they've revised the death toll down to 8 (7 bodies taken out, 2 still trapped = 8 ?). nevertheless it is good news to have the death toll revised down.





ADG


User currently offlineEGGD From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 12443 posts, RR: 35
Reply 11, posted (11 years 8 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 1776 times:

It's all speculation at the moment, but apprently they've revised the death toll down to 8 (7 bodies taken out, 2 still trapped = 8 ?). nevertheless it is good news to have the death toll revised down.

somebody came back to life??? eh..

This is bad, but the one good thing is that in all rail disasters there are usually alot of survivors, so there is always something positive unlike aviation disasters where alot of fatal accidents involve nobody getting out alive...  Sad.

I feel for the deceased's family's, and of course for those familys of the terribly ill...

Regards

Dan


User currently offlineMx5_boy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (11 years 8 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 1760 times:

Guys,

Another train buff friend reckons that there could have been a failure of the speed control actuator. The driver was found outside of the crew cab as if he tried to warn people of the oncoming disaster. If when accelarating out of Waterfall station the T-bar controller got stuck or snapped at full throttle the train may have just continued to accelerate and couldn't be stopped.

My mate says if they find out there was a system failure the whole fleet of Tangara trains would have to be grounded creating rail and traffic chaos for weeks. 1/3rd of Sydneys rail fleet are Tangara trains.

One thing is for sure, a relatively new train (that had passed inspections the week before), tracks that were in excellent condition and had been inspected several times the day before, a driver with 27 years of experience the cause of this crash is going to be a difficult one to work out and will put the whole Tangara fleet in doubt. (Manufactured from 1988 to 1995. Voted MAPT [most advanced pax train] several years running.)

A mate who travelled to Sydney uni today said pax at the train station avoided the front two carriages of the Tangara he was on today, looking nervously at the sole person who jumped into the first carriage of a 4 car set.

Kudo's to the hundreds of emergency personel and volunteers who were at the scene within minutes.

mb





User currently offlineADG From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (11 years 8 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 1757 times:

I think it's counterproductive to speculate at the moment, and it certainly does nothing positive for the victims. Best to let the investigators do their job.

the only thing I would add is that the Union now holds some responsibility as the "black box" was not turned on due to union fears the drivers would be "spied upon". In this instance it could have meant the difference between the driver being blamed and cleared, the union has not done anything positive in this instance.

Unions = skanks.



ADG


User currently offlineMirrodie From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 7444 posts, RR: 62
Reply 14, posted (11 years 8 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 1755 times:
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