Positive rate From Australia, joined Sep 2001, 2143 posts, RR: 1 Reply 1, posted (10 years 10 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 916 times:
Heroes they are! The Challenger and Columbia astronauts were doing something to benefit all mankind and they died doing so. They sacrificed their lives for the advancement of science and towards a better future for us all. May God bless the Challenger and Columbia crews!
We're Nuts From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5722 posts, RR: 21 Reply 3, posted (10 years 10 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 895 times:
While I honor their sacrifice, I must say that the word "hero" is overused by our society to the point that I never want to hear it again. Perhaps my definition of a "hero" is different from what others think.
Mirrodie From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 7427 posts, RR: 63 Reply 4, posted (10 years 10 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 887 times:
1. In mythology and legend, a man, often of divine ancestry, who is endowed with great courage and strength, celebrated for his bold exploits, and favored by the gods.
2. A person noted for feats of courage or nobility of purpose, especially one who has risked or sacrificed his or her life: soldiers and nurses who were heroes in an unpopular war.
We are all entitled to our opinions but perhaps I'm the optimist, not the pessimist.
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We're Nuts From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5722 posts, RR: 21 Reply 5, posted (10 years 10 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 883 times:
Let's end the debate, shall we?
Merriam-Webster OnLine defines "hero" (in this context) as....
"1 a : a mythological or legendary figure often of divine descent endowed with great strength or ability b : an illustrious warrior c : a man admired for his achievements and noble qualities d : one that shows great courage
2 a : the principal male character in a literary or dramatic work b : the central figure in an event, period, or movement"
So I suppose it is appropiate. And NormalSpeed, please calm down. One can be both a hero and a victim, you know. They were heros because they were brave, and they were victims because NASA's iddy-biddy budget killed them.
Tbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7011 posts, RR: 27 Reply 6, posted (10 years 10 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 882 times:
I do think they're heroes. They went up into space, knowing the risks they were taking, so that they could make our lives here on Earth a better place through their missions. They died doing this, and in my opinion, if somebody dies to make my world a better place, my life better, they are indeed a hero.
Vafi88 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3116 posts, RR: 18 Reply 8, posted (10 years 10 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 875 times:
Very well put Mirrodie, and very well replied Tbar. Anyone that does die for the human race in general should be known and welcomed upon no matter of anything.
PacificJourney: Yes, they knew they were taking a risk, we all knew it at some prespective. But the thing that makes them heroes is that they died knowing that YET still going up there with the risks fighting for the furthermore studies of space and how people, plants, animals, anything can survive or act up there.
If you don't want to get ahead of where you are now (unless you know just about everything in the world, rich, famous, smart, and etc, etc, etc.) Then I suggest you be more conciderate who die fighting for you and the other 6 billion people.
I'd like to elect a president that has a Higher IQ than a retarted ant.
Cfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 10, posted (10 years 10 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 866 times:
As Nut's said, you can be a hero and a victim at the same time.
To me, a hero is someone who willingly puts himself in great danger for a higher cause - to save others, for scientific achievement, etc.
I certainly believe that the firefighters who died on 9/11 were heros. It galls me to hear those people who say "they're not heros, they were just doing their jobs". Their jobs consisted of putting themselves in mortal danger every day, without hesitation. If that is not a hero, then no-one is.
NormalSpeed From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 11, posted (10 years 10 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 860 times:
"They aren't heroes, they're victims."
It is very rare, indeed, when I am too upset for words. But this comment of yours--for some reason I find it unconscionable. I'd say more, but I'm afraid this is the best that I can do without using expletives.
Hepkat From Austria, joined Aug 2000, 2341 posts, RR: 2 Reply 15, posted (10 years 10 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 796 times:
Ok, I shall add the official dissenting opinion here.
To me, there were not heroes. They were people doing their jobs, albeit a dangerous one. To me, a hero is someone who goes out of his/her way to perform an unrequired, selfless act of sacrifice in order to bring about good while not expecting anything in return. For example, a passerby who puts him/herself in danger to help someone out of a burning building is a hero. A fireman responding to the call is not.
Those astronauts knew the risks involved with their job. They chose and were required to undertake the journey. They died while doing their job. Therefore, this does not make them heroes. I know this is not the politically correct thing to say at this time, but I'd rather hear the awful truth than be consoled by a pretty lie. Every profession has its risks. One has to decide for one's self if the risks are worth the possible advantages. This still does not make one a hero.
I believe the word hero is far too overused in our society.
777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 19, posted (10 years 10 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 741 times:
You can define them as heros, although I suspect their motives for going to space were personal and not for any greater good to mankind. There are many many other heros all over the world who get little or no recognition simply because they're not American or doing something that's not adventurous.
JFKspotter From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 448 posts, RR: 7 Reply 21, posted (10 years 10 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 704 times:
I won't debate with you the issue as to whether the crew of Columbia was a group of heroes or not, as that is a personal thing, and since I disagree with you, I won't even get into that.
However, the example you provided as to who is and is not a hero, I think, made no sense. According to what you said, a random person helping someone out of a fire is a hero, yet someone who does that for a living is not. What's the difference? Firefighters don't go into that field of work because of the money, trust me- some of us -volunteer- to do it. They do it expecting nothing in return, as selfless acts, day in, and day out, without second thoughts. Whenever they go on a call, they don't know what they'll find, but they go. No one forced them to become firefighters, they became firefighters in an unrequired, selfless act, which fits the description you gave.
What you said may apply to many other professions, but as for firefighters, they're heroes.