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Why I Call Them Heroes.  
User currently offlineMirrodie From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 7438 posts, RR: 62
Posted (11 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 995 times:
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I did not want to take away from another thread.

These people I will always look up to. Not because they were American, Jewish, Black, White, Asian, Indian, Hawaiian, Israeli, Arab or descendents of the above or any other culture, race or creed.

But because they were one of us....humans aspiring to make it through another day. They put aside their differences and bacame one.

Columbia

Challenger


Godspeed friends.



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User currently offlinePositive rate From Australia, joined Sep 2001, 2143 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (11 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 990 times:

Heroes they are! The Challenger and Columbia astronauts were doing something to benefit all mankind and they died doing so. They sacrificed their lives for the advancement of science and towards a better future for us all. May God bless the Challenger and Columbia crews!

User currently offlinePacificjourney From New Zealand, joined Jul 2001, 2727 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (11 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 977 times:

Great, everyone else managed to resist that over-used adjective for 3 days.

They aren't heroes, they're victims.



" Help, help ... I'm being oppressed ... "
User currently offlineWe're Nuts From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5722 posts, RR: 20
Reply 3, posted (11 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 969 times:

While I honor their sacrifice, I must say that the word "hero" is overused by our society to the point that I never want to hear it again. Perhaps my definition of a "hero" is different from what others think.


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User currently offlineMirrodie From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 7438 posts, RR: 62
Reply 4, posted (11 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 961 times:
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from www.dictionary.com

1. In mythology and legend, a man, often of divine ancestry, who is endowed with great courage and strength, celebrated for his bold exploits, and favored by the gods.
2. A person noted for feats of courage or nobility of purpose, especially one who has risked or sacrificed his or her life: soldiers and nurses who were heroes in an unpopular war.

We are all entitled to our opinions but perhaps I'm the optimist, not the pessimist.



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User currently offlineWe're Nuts From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5722 posts, RR: 20
Reply 5, posted (11 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 957 times:

Let's end the debate, shall we?

Merriam-Webster OnLine defines "hero" (in this context) as....

"1 a : a mythological or legendary figure often of divine descent endowed with great strength or ability b : an illustrious warrior c : a man admired for his achievements and noble qualities d : one that shows great courage

2 a : the principal male character in a literary or dramatic work b : the central figure in an event, period, or movement"

So I suppose it is appropiate. And NormalSpeed, please calm down. One can be both a hero and a victim, you know. They were heros because they were brave, and they were victims because NASA's iddy-biddy budget killed them.



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User currently offlineTbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7011 posts, RR: 26
Reply 6, posted (11 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 956 times:

I do think they're heroes. They went up into space, knowing the risks they were taking, so that they could make our lives here on Earth a better place through their missions. They died doing this, and in my opinion, if somebody dies to make my world a better place, my life better, they are indeed a hero.

If you cant accept that much, I'm sorry.



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User currently offlineWe're Nuts From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5722 posts, RR: 20
Reply 7, posted (11 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 953 times:

Mirrodie, that is the last time you get away with stealing my thoughts! Next time, Matty D comes over for a visit....


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User currently offlineVafi88 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3116 posts, RR: 17
Reply 8, posted (11 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 949 times:

Very well put Mirrodie, and very well replied Tbar. Anyone that does die for the human race in general should be known and welcomed upon no matter of anything.

PacificJourney: Yes, they knew they were taking a risk, we all knew it at some prespective. But the thing that makes them heroes is that they died knowing that YET still going up there with the risks fighting for the furthermore studies of space and how people, plants, animals, anything can survive or act up there.

If you don't want to get ahead of where you are now (unless you know just about everything in the world, rich, famous, smart, and etc, etc, etc.) Then I suggest you be more conciderate who die fighting for you and the other 6 billion people.



I'd like to elect a president that has a Higher IQ than a retarted ant.
User currently offlineMirrodie From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 7438 posts, RR: 62
Reply 9, posted (11 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 939 times:
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Damn, nutty man, great minds think alike  Big thumbs up


Oh, and well spoken Tbar.

I respect you all for letting me know that you share the same feeling.

[Edited 2003-02-05 07:43:47]


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User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (11 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 940 times:

As Nut's said, you can be a hero and a victim at the same time.

To me, a hero is someone who willingly puts himself in great danger for a higher cause - to save others, for scientific achievement, etc.

I certainly believe that the firefighters who died on 9/11 were heros. It galls me to hear those people who say "they're not heros, they were just doing their jobs". Their jobs consisted of putting themselves in mortal danger every day, without hesitation. If that is not a hero, then no-one is.

Charles


User currently offlineNormalSpeed From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (11 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 934 times:

"They aren't heroes, they're victims."

Pacificjourney,

It is very rare, indeed, when I am too upset for words. But this comment of yours--for some reason I find it unconscionable. I'd say more, but I'm afraid this is the best that I can do without using expletives.

NormalSpeed


User currently offlineVafi88 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3116 posts, RR: 17
Reply 12, posted (11 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 932 times:

I know this is against the rules...but...

Cfalk- I agree very much with you there. ANYONE willingly dieing for one, two, tree, or howeer many other people is in my eyes a hero.




I'd like to elect a president that has a Higher IQ than a retarted ant.
User currently offlinePacificjourney From New Zealand, joined Jul 2001, 2727 posts, RR: 8
Reply 13, posted (11 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 894 times:

What's going on here ? Is it my imagination or are all these replies out of order ??? EG post 5 asks Normal speed to calm down and he hasn't even posted yet.


" Help, help ... I'm being oppressed ... "
User currently offlineKLAX From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (11 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 869 times:

Shut it Bron, and stop whining about them Arachnides!  Laugh out loud
The real heroes are in that picture up there.

-Clovis


User currently offlineHepkat From Austria, joined Aug 2000, 2341 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (11 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 870 times:

Ok, I shall add the official dissenting opinion here.

To me, there were not heroes. They were people doing their jobs, albeit a dangerous one. To me, a hero is someone who goes out of his/her way to perform an unrequired, selfless act of sacrifice in order to bring about good while not expecting anything in return. For example, a passerby who puts him/herself in danger to help someone out of a burning building is a hero. A fireman responding to the call is not.

Those astronauts knew the risks involved with their job. They chose and were required to undertake the journey. They died while doing their job. Therefore, this does not make them heroes. I know this is not the politically correct thing to say at this time, but I'd rather hear the awful truth than be consoled by a pretty lie. Every profession has its risks. One has to decide for one's self if the risks are worth the possible advantages. This still does not make one a hero.

I believe the word hero is far too overused in our society.



User currently offlineAirworthy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (11 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 850 times:

Hepkat-

>>Ok, I shall add the official dissenting opinion here.<<

Um, other people have stated they disagree also , so you're not the "official" one.

>>To me, a hero is someone who goes out of his/her way to perform an unrequired, selfless act of sacrifice in order to bring about good while not expecting anything in return.<<

What do you define as "going out of their way"?

Those 7 people dedicated their lives to helping others. I'm sure they didn't just wake up and become an astronaut. They dedicated their lives to helping others to reach their full potential.

They did more in their 40 or so years, than most people do in their entire lives.


User currently offlineMirrodie From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 7438 posts, RR: 62
Reply 17, posted (11 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 837 times:
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Got to agree with Airworthy there.

"Official"? Who nominated you? Did I miss some swearing in ceremony?



note: ADG, you post was deleted. It has been said, if you feel a rule has been broken, suggest deletion. But don't just put up a worthless post with no value to the thread. thanks, mirrodie






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User currently offlineMD-90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 8494 posts, RR: 12
Reply 18, posted (11 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 814 times:

So, I believe the word hate is overused in our society, but that doesn't stop gays and liberals from using it over and over and over.

User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (11 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 815 times:

You can define them as heros, although I suspect their motives for going to space were personal and not for any greater good to mankind. There are many many other heros all over the world who get little or no recognition simply because they're not American or doing something that's not adventurous.

User currently offlineAviatsiya From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (11 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 806 times:

To some they were heroes, to me they were people who meant nothing to me. When I heard about Columbia, I basically felt sorry that 7 people lost their lives, but hey, shit happens.


User currently offlineJFKspotter From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 448 posts, RR: 7
Reply 21, posted (11 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 778 times:

Hepkat:

I won't debate with you the issue as to whether the crew of Columbia was a group of heroes or not, as that is a personal thing, and since I disagree with you, I won't even get into that.

However, the example you provided as to who is and is not a hero, I think, made no sense. According to what you said, a random person helping someone out of a fire is a hero, yet someone who does that for a living is not. What's the difference? Firefighters don't go into that field of work because of the money, trust me- some of us -volunteer- to do it. They do it expecting nothing in return, as selfless acts, day in, and day out, without second thoughts. Whenever they go on a call, they don't know what they'll find, but they go. No one forced them to become firefighters, they became firefighters in an unrequired, selfless act, which fits the description you gave.

What you said may apply to many other professions, but as for firefighters, they're heroes.

Mirrodie- well put.

-JFKspotter


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