Heavymetal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 2, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1059 times:
(Big Drumroll!) Orange Level.....yikes!
This must mean we're going into near lockdown, right? The borders become impenetrable barriers between us and the bad guys? Our patrol forces jump on anything looking remotely suspicious and threatening? Whew. Glad to hear it. Sometimes I get scared that a well armed foreign vessel could sail right up to an American dock and the crew could jump out spraying AK-47 fire at Americans. Glad that could never happen.
TWAL1011 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 194 posts, RR: 2 Reply 3, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1040 times:
From Heavymetal's linked article:
Twice since the Communist revolution took over Cuba, pilots of Soviet-built MiGs have flown to Florida in their aircraft.
One landed at Key West Naval Air Station on March 19, 1991, carrying a defecting Cuban major who later made a covert flight back to Cuba in a private plane and flew his family back out.
The first landed at Homestead Air Force Base in 1969, flying in under air-defense radar and landing before it was spotted by U.S. officials.
That got me to thinking about a Dale Brown novel I read years ago:
In short, the U.S. decides to crack down on the drug traffic and blasts anyone entering U.S. airspace or waters if they don't have a filed plan. Get's into the V-22 pretty heavy. Not a bad book as I can recall, but an interesting scenario.
Ilyushin96M From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 2609 posts, RR: 14 Reply 4, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 1029 times:
The unfortunate thing about all these terror warnings is they sound more and more like the shepherd boy crying "Wolf!" The more the government does this and nothing happens, the more people will become complacent and believe they are full of hot air. And when something catastrophic is planned and carried out, the likelihood is it will happen with no warning, and catch us all blind-sided.
Twaneedsnohelp From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 15, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 912 times:
heavy: you point is made. someone was asleep at the wheel.
Our legions of underpaid, underappreciated, overworked civil servants, sadly can't watch every inch of every ocean, dessert, valley, tree, fence, wall, hill, or molehill that seperates us from the big bad world outside our lovely libertine borders. Untill you're ready to triple your april 14th contribution, don't be surprised if some skinny Haitian Cuban Iraqi Afgahni approaches you in the dairly aisle at Publix and asks for politican assylum because they mistake that shiny new J Crew camo sweater for the real thing.
Alpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 16, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 862 times:
It's easy, PROSA, and others, to mock that which never occurs. None of us are privy to whether or not these alerts stop any attacks. It's quite possible that the higher state of alert does deter attacks. I don't think any of us are in a position to judge that. But many of you would be crying bloody hell if there were an attack, and the alert had not been raised.
One of these days, another attack will occur. No alert can deter every attack. But I have to give the experts a little of the benefit of the doubt: they're reading the intercepts; they're listening to the "chatter" around the globe. I don't think anyone should take lightly when this or any goverment comes to a conclusion that a terrorists attack may be in the works.
Again, to some, it may be "Crying Wolf", but I'd rather have them raise the alarm than not to do anything at all.
JetService From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4798 posts, RR: 13 Reply 18, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 854 times:
Keep in mind, this just warn for an attack on our soil, but also abroad. That's where I suspect this would happen anyway. Alpha1 (and TWAL1011) is correct; no one knows what is known by the gov't. I'm not too concerned where I sit, but if I was an American somewhere outside the country, I'd be very concerned.
Heavymetal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 20, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 835 times:
Untill you're ready to triple your april 14th contribution
Suddenly it's my fault? I'm not the one about to drop 100 billion to save us from a man who is probably the least likely candidate in the Muslim world to visit disaster on the mainland US.
And perhaps before I triple my tax contribution, just perchance Mister Bush actually ask for some tax money from some of biggest corporations in America who pay none. After all, I'm sure business will be grand when the Mullah Omar brigade shows up undetected in Key Largo and packs a pickup full of botulinium for downtown Miami. Or New York.
Also, I have something else to bring up....Reichsmarshall Ashcroft took us to Threat Level Omega or Defcon One or Red Alert Decks One Through Five or something today, and why? The most common answer from his pasty cakehole seems to be "an increased level of worldwide 'chatter' amongst terror networks and cells".
Chatter. Okay, so this is lots of communications between bad guys who don't want us to know what they're saying, right? Yet we find out what they're saying, and proceed to tell the world they're saying a lot of it so we should up the threat level. You with me?.............
.......now, if WE hear their 'chatter', and THEY know we hear their 'chatter', doesn't the credibility of their 'chatter' become suspect? If 'chatter' is what ups security levels thus (hopefully)thwarting terror plans, wouldn't any self respecting terrorist say to himself 'we have to cut down on the 'chatter'? OR, if they've got absolutely nothing in the pike, no plans whatsoever, couldn't they just spook the edgy Americans by dialing up Uncle Abdullah in Karachi and engaging in some old fashioned terror 'chatter', then sit back & chuckle as the podium is wheeled out at justice, John 'Cover Up that Statue!' Ashcroft makes his grim prognostications, and Fox News can pull out the old "TERROR LEVEL HIGH" graphic to guarantee a win in this week's Nielsens?
You'll understand why, when I see a southern coast leaking like a sieve security wise, and our threat levels contingent on 'chatter', I don't place a lot of faith in these leaders.
ContinentalEWR From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3762 posts, RR: 14 Reply 22, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 820 times:
The color coding of terrorist threats is a childish, stupid way of dealing with a threat that will most probably never entirely go away. It's simplistic, it makes our leadership look foolish, allows the media to spread panic and fear, and is ultimately playing into the hands of the terrorists, who are unpredictable but are probably pleased with the level of panic and frustration they spread every now and then. Instead of boasting about hearing "increasing chatter" and making adjective-injected threats to every enemy the US faces on the planet, the government and the military should be going about the business of quietly but brutally seeking out, catching, and destroying the people and individuals who plan, support, and carry out terrrorist activities. People like the shoe bomber or those connected to Al Qaida should be caught, abused and beaten into submission to extract whatever information the CIA or FBI needs, and then disposed of. Code Red, Code Orange, Code Blue is a stupid, infantile, and ultimately pointless effort aimed at trying to convince a skeptical public opinion that something is being done.