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Why Is The World Against War?  
User currently offlineWardialer From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 1183 posts, RR: 0
Posted (11 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2011 times:

OK, let me get this straight,

On 9/11/01 3000 people loss there lives due to terrorist attacks.

So why is the world against war on terror?

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User currently offlinePHX-LJU From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (11 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2004 times:

Wardialer wrote:

"So why is the world against war on terror?"

Most of the world supports the war against terror (i.e. against Al Qaeda and its simpathisers); even France and Germany, which are the focus of so much criticism now, helped us out in Afghanistan. It is the war in Iraq that most of the world (understandably, IMHO) has a problem with.


User currently offlineB747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (11 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2003 times:

Iraq, terror.... its all the same thing.

User currently offlinePgh234 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 796 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (11 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1993 times:

"Iraq, terror...its all the same thing"

Yeah, I agree. When the entire country sings around and celebrates when one of our spaceshuttles falls out of the sky and everyone wants to blow the US out of the water...that signifies they just might want to do bad things to the US. We have every right to fear Iraq and want to prevent anything from happening.

pgh234


User currently offlineMas a330 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (11 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1979 times:

We have every right to fear Iraq and want to prevent anything from happening.

Agreed, but war is not the answer.
The soloution to the problem is closer to home than you think.


User currently offlineWardialer From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 1183 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (11 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1977 times:

In my opinion here, I dont think it was Afghanistan that did the 9/11 destruction. Of course, It was Iraq. And even hearing that maybe the Saudis were involved too.

But anyway, whats with the 180? I thought esp. the USA were pro-war against Iraq.

Jeez, I dont want to sound crewl but lets say another 9/11 type incident happened today killing as many as 3000 + people, are we still going to protest out there???? Give me some feedback on this. Please. I dont like traders, esp. on our soil.


User currently offlineFlyf15 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (11 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1976 times:

War causes death, destroyed lives, politican tension, not to mention other things such as costing a huge amount of money and causing a very large distrust by many many people.

User currently offlinePHX-LJU From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (11 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1963 times:

Wardialer wrote:

"In my opinion here, I dont think it was Afghanistan that did the 9/11 destruction. Of course, It was Iraq."


It was Al Qaeda that did it... and they were based in Afghanistan at the time. Sure, Iraq is an evil regime and has defied the international community many times, but there is no evidence whatsoever that it was involved in the 9/11 attacks. You need to brush up on your current events, Wardialer.


User currently offlineWardialer From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 1183 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (11 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1963 times:

OK, then if money is concerned then why dont we send a group of FBI agents instead of spending all this money on this war?


User currently offlineSjc>sfo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (11 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1943 times:

Osama bin Laden is alive and well somewhere either in Libya or the Hindu-Kush... therefore, to prevent terrorism, we must bomb Iraq.

User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13252 posts, RR: 77
Reply 10, posted (11 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1919 times:

Doh! Wardialer, Saddam has a very tight grip on power, a very small inner circle, a massive security/secret police apparatus, even apparently multiple doubles of himself, he's had many attempts on his life over the years, all from internal enemies.
Face it, if the US could not get OBL, virtually no chance of getting Saddam.
As for Iraqi's celebrating Columbia's loss, a group of government supporters (or even people just forced into joining a crowd) on a staged rally, is not the same as the 'Iraqi people'.
Most of the unfortunates living in Iraq don't even know it happened.
Ever seen a proper report from inside Iraq?
Let's just say it is not like living in the West, one of the best books about Saddam's Iraq is well named - 'Republic Of Fear'.
As for them doing Sept 11th, please explain why there has been absolutely no proof, even after Bush told the CIA to find it, well they've tried, and it isn't there.
Had there been, Iraq would have been attacked long ago.
Or did we go into Afghanistan just for the scenery?


User currently offline9A-CRO From Croatia, joined Jun 2000, 1574 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (11 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1924 times:
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why are we against war?

I come from Croatia and I've seen what bombs do and I don't want this happen to some other country.



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User currently offlineKeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (11 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1919 times:

Why is the world against war ?

First step . Collect some Vietnam stories from the veterans, read some history books & look at the black and white pictures found under holochaust, dresden, killing fields and war crime.

Next step : project this stuff on your home town & family.

Know the answer ?

Drop the techno war view ... it's human business





User currently offlineADG From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (11 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1896 times:

Wardialer,

The world is against it because the fact that 3000 people died on 9/11 has NOTHING TO DO WITH IRAQ. There is no legitimate "war on terror". Indeed, enough time has passed to call a spade a spade.

Most of those who died in the WTC's on Sep 11th 2001 did so because of poor structural design of the building, the planes were merely a catalyst. If the buildings had been properly built the death toll would have been much lower.

Quite frankly people, the world is sick to death of this ignorant generalisation of a war on terror. It's nothing more than an excuse used by George Bush to fool the masses and fooled they are.

and quite frankly WAR KILLS THE INNOCENT and many people find the deaths of innocent people to be quite offensive.

Not everyone lives in a country that thrives on war, that was created on war and that has even warred with itself. Many of us know what true peace and safety, you should try it one day .. it's fantastic!






ADG


User currently offlineSenliture From Australia, joined May 2000, 431 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (11 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1873 times:

So how many civilians will be killed in the war to Iraq? How many soldiers who follow the commands from their commanders will lost their lives? The soldiers will always proud of serving their country, but most of them will regret when they get injured or even losing their life. Look at the history of Galipolli, watch the movie, and you will know more about the soldiers. You think the soldiers deserve to die in the war?

The world is not only against the war, but also the policies of US. Why Hussein got his power? Why he still got his power as concrete after the 10 years war with Iran? Don't tell me that you know nothing about the CIA history. Why Bin Laden got a lot of guns etc? Soviet Union. How can he defeat the world giant? Think about it. Everything is from the US, their ex-presidents, and their still existing policies. Think more about it.

Here in Melbourne, got almost 200,000 people protesting on last Friday. Sydney got more people protesting today, almost 250,000. However, our John Howard still insist to go ahead for the war, to 'liberate' the Iraq people. North Korea is the nest target for sure.

Don't use your way of rules to measure the other people. If they think there are some problems with it, they will speak out.


User currently offlineFDXmech From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3251 posts, RR: 34
Reply 15, posted (11 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1867 times:

Will Iraq comply with the U.N mandate to disarm?

I feel these protests, perhaps unintentionally, gave aid and comfort to Saddam.

Saddam probably feels that general world opinion has shifted to his side which might increase his intransigance (sp.) to comply to U.N mandate. This will likely increase, not reduce, the chance of war.

Did anyone protest Iraqs refusal to shed its WMD?



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User currently offlineMandala499 From Indonesia, joined Aug 2001, 6965 posts, RR: 76
Reply 16, posted (11 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1859 times:

I do not want a war, but if you want the world to support the war against terrorism, do yourself a favour... do the following thing:

1. Stuff Rumsfeld and his "You're either with us or with them" attitude. It won't win you friends (and you need friends when you want to invade another sovereign state)
2. Be persuasive... This is something Rumsfeld can not do. Powell can do it better. Blair even more effective... his speech this weekend beats any speech by the Bush administration so far.
3. Make up your mind... war on terror, or war against tyrants? If you want to link them both, provide the proof. If they don't believe you, go back to pt. 1 and 2. above.
4. Make up your mind again... War to Disarm Saddam, or War to Topple Saddam ? Stick to one, and persuade others to join... (again, back to pt. 1 and 2. above).
5. If in opposition, make a public commitment on a post war Iraq, and stick to it ! Post Gulf War 1 was a shambles and I am not surprised that even the Iraq opposition are worried about the current war...

So, if any Republican Hawks are reading this... take note... continue down the current path, and you'll never get support, no matter how right you are... Persuade the world the right way, they'll support you, no matter if you're wrong!

Mandala499



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User currently offlineDeltaMD11 From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 1701 posts, RR: 34
Reply 17, posted (11 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1853 times:

Bron,

"Most of those who died in the WTC's on Sep 11th 2001 did so because of poor structural design of the building, the planes were merely a catalyst. If the buildings had been properly built the death toll would have been much lower."

That is a purely hypothetical statement. The buildings themselves took the impact of the aircraft. When you have thousands of gallons of Jet-A rip through a building and melt the steel, of course it's going to fall. The structures were sound. You can't help the steel melting.

And as far as what Gerry said above, I agree. I love my country, and my fellow Americans. However, I don't agree with or condone a lot of the stuff my governement does. I think that they do approach some situations a little awkwardly, as far as attitude goes, and it hurts us diplomatically. However I do feel that Saddam and his regime needs to be removed from power. If Bush's daddy would've let Schwartzkopf take Baghdad 12 years ago, we wouldn't have this situation right now. Good job senior. Like father, like son.

Bryan
Chat Operator Delta767



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User currently offlineQANTASforever From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (11 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1832 times:

Geez, these international protests aren't pro-Saddam at all! They are anti-invasion.

Consider this:

"My name is George and I think that my neighbour who lives in the next town may posess an illegal gun. I've heard off a few of my friends down at the supermarket that he has one. My neighbour (Saddam) lives in a small house on some prime real-estate. What I'm going to do is talk to all of my neighbours in my street and we are going to grab our pitchforks and flaming sticks and burn down Saddams house, take his gun and kick him out of town (After all - Saddam is not a nice neighbour and plays loud music late at night).

But, my nearest neighbours want me to go to the police and talk to them about this evil man who may have an illegal gun and hope that they take action."

The police head onto Saddam's property and go and look for the gun. In the meantime George and his friends John and Tony have set up camp in the house next door to Saddams to send a clear message to Saddam. All three friends speak very loudly in the street and rhetorically threaten Saddam every day of the week. The police continue to search the property.

After a while George comes out and shouts over a loudspeaker: "If the police don't find Saddams illegal gun then we are going to go into his house and take it, then kick him out of town and burn down his house".

The police say that although they can't stop george from doing such a thing, they strongly disapprove.

Georges other neighbours and friends start to worry. If he can do this to one person and their house - who is next?

** In next weeks episode: Will George let the police do their work and allow justice to prevail? Will George torch Saddams house and kill all of his innocent family? Will the police find a gun???

TUNE IN NEXT WEEK TO FIND OUT!

Lets follow a more judicial process here and not allow such vigilante action.

Have faith that the UN will enforce 1441 as you have faith that Police and the justice system prosecute crime and defend our way of life.

QANTASforever



User currently offlineVc10 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 1412 posts, RR: 16
Reply 19, posted (11 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1832 times:

Delta ,
You must remember that it was not Bush senior who stopped the troops advancing into Iraq in 1991,it was that the UN manadate did not allow it. War is not nice and should be avoided, but there comes a time when it is the better of two evils
regards little vc10


User currently offlineB747forlife From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 392 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (11 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1831 times:

FDXMech: Thank you, someone finally realizes that Iraq is not complying.

Its in black and white everyone, Iraq has not told us where their antrax, VX, etc are as they are supposed to. They also haven't proven its been destroyed as required in 1441. Those missiles break another resolution. Iraq is clearly in violation of 1441, which gives Saddam a "final chance to disarm" and if he doesn't requires "serious consequences" be laid down against Iraq. Sitting on our ass givng Saddam more inspectors to lie to is not "serious consequences."

Anyone who is protesting the war is supporting Saddam, directly or indirectly. It is telling Saddam, "We want you to keep your weapons because of the possibility some people may die." And that makes Saddam think, "Oh, they want me to keep my weapons so I can use them on these people in the future."

Get with the program people.

-Nick


User currently offlineHepkat From Austria, joined Aug 2000, 2341 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (11 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1830 times:

Most of those who died in the WTC's on Sep 11th 2001 did so because of poor structural design of the building, the planes were merely a catalyst. If the buildings had been properly built the death toll would have been much lower.

I believe it's unreasonable to expect architects to take into consideration the fact that their buildings might someday be crash targets for 2 or more full size airliner jets. In my opinion, the WTC took quite an unexpected beating and handled it remarkably well. Can you even begin to imagine the tremendous forces involved when the first 767 crashed into the WTC? When was the last time you surveyed the entire width and mammoth size of a 767?

Let's not lose perspectives here; most of those who died in the WTC on Sept 11, 2001 did so because of a ruthless terrorist attack, the sheer grandeur of which was before now utterly inconceivable, and not because of any architectual design flaws.



User currently offlineDeltaMD11 From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 1701 posts, RR: 34
Reply 22, posted (11 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1820 times:

Thank you for further-advancing my point Heppy.




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User currently offlineAirplay From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (11 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1806 times:

If Iraq is a "terrorist state" because of it's association with the known terrorist group Al Queda, then doesn't that make the US a "terrorist state" because of it's association with Timothy McViegh?? How about the various state "militia" groups that are secretly planning against the US government to:

...to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions; — U.S. Constitution, Art. I, Sec. 8, Cl. 16.

How about Israel? They are arguably home of several terrorist groups. Aren't they then a "terrorist state"? How about Ireland, Syria, Lebanon? Or the Phillipines. Why aren't we bombing them? Oh I forgot. They don't have any oil.....

Why is the world against war? Forgive me but that is about the most idiotic statement I've read on this forum!



User currently offlineArsenal@LHR From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 7792 posts, RR: 19
Reply 24, posted (11 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1803 times:
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OK, let me get this straight,

On 9/11/01 3000 people loss there lives due to terrorist attacks.

So why is the world against war on terror?


Because 9/11 has nothing to do with Iraq. The Bush regime has tried desperately to link the events of 9/11 and terrorism to justify their war with Iraq. Fortunately, the world's citizens have not been fooled with these false accusations, as seen by the millions of anti-war protestors around the world. The case for military action has not been made, there is no proof, no evidence, and no justification for this war.




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25 DeltaMD11 : Yeah well, I have one more thing to say: War does not determine who is right, it determines who is left. Bryan
26 Gc : I'm against the war for the following reasons> 1. Attacking Iraq will kill hundreds of thousand of people. 2. It will be a recruitment drive for every
27 JetService : Hepkat: "Can you even begin to imagine the tremendous forces involved when the first 767 crashed into the WTC? When was the last time you surveyed the
28 Arsenal@LHR : PS-I think to say the 'world is against war' is inaccurate. There are supporters and there are protesters. The 'world' is split. But there are more pr
29 Post contains links Delta-flyer : There are some very good arguments for getting rid of Saddam (see my thread in this section... http://www.airliners.net/discussions/non_aviation/read.
30 NormalSpeed : Personally, it's gotten to the point where I really don't have an opinion either way. I've grown weary of the constant discussion, both in the media a
31 Airplay : Anyway, it's made the US aware of who it's real friends are. Yes. If you define "friends" as those who blindly follow without question. Maybe the rest
32 Daedaeg : Wardialer...dont worry once Iraq is liberated the rest of the world will be on board. Also most of eastern europe supports the United States and there
33 JetService : Arsenal: "But there are more protestors than supporters...." With all due respect, you have no possible way to know that. Protesters are certainly lou
34 B747-437B : The 'world' is split. Undoubtedly so, but the spilit is not an even one. Outside of the United States, there is overwhelming opposition to any attack
35 Turbolet : Bhal hobza Maltija, mit-turizmu jiekol kulhadd. Just like a loaf of Maltese bread, everyone eats off tourism. This is how an advert in a bus puts it,
36 Schoenorama : To Daedaeg: "Also most of eastern europe supports the United States and there are only a few western european countries that are hindering us at this
38 JetService : Schoen: "With all my respects, but what a load of rubbish you are saying here" You've obviously mistaken my point to read that people that don't parti
39 Aak777 : I believe that all what US wants is oil, knowing that USA has only about 16 years of oil reserve, where Iraq has about 500 years of oil reserve. to me
40 NormalSpeed : "Yes. If you define "friends" as those who blindly follow without question." Airplay, Merely disagreeing with the US does not make one an enemy, nor d
41 Post contains links Delta-flyer : I believe that all what US wants is oil, knowing that USA has only about 16 years of oil reserve, where Iraq has about 500 years of oil reserve. to me
42 Schoenorama : To JetService: OK, I get your point. It is a misconception that "the world is against the war" or that "the world is for a war". Neither of these are
43 Klaus : Wardialer: On 9/11/01 3000 people loss there lives due to terrorist attacks. So why is the world against war on terror? Why is Bush, you might want to
44 Delta-flyer : The Bush administration has just abandoned the search for OBL in Afghanistan in favour of the Iraq campaign. You really don't know that, Klaus. This s
45 Schoenorama : To Delta-flyer: "You really don't know that, Klaus. This sort of campaign is best done in the background." And when it comes to operating in the backg
46 Klaus : Delta-flyer: You really don't know that, Klaus. This sort of campaign is best done in the background. US and british special forces which were - among
47 Alpha 1 : And when it comes to operating in the background, I am confident the US Government will do everything it can with its NSA and CIA, like they have done
48 Delta-flyer : Well, hehehe, I guess we're damned if we do and we're damned if we don't. Schoenorama seems to have a fixation on Chile and Nicaragua. Why not discuss
49 B747forlife : Aak777 - "I believe that all what US wants is oil, knowing that USA has only about 16 years of oil reserve, where Iraq has about 500 years of oil rese
50 MBMBOS : Silly Aak777! Of course it's not about the oil. Everybody knows it's really about the military industrial complex. God knows that they starved during
51 Wardialer : The truth is, there is no right answer or solution to the Middle East problem.
52 Post contains links Delta-flyer : If you think the motivation is oil, read this.... http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1101030217-421021,00.html Pete
53 BO__einG : I agree that most of the world is against war. Besides who would actually want war on a daily basis? Things are sorta bad as it is with the potent for
54 Post contains images OO-AOG : The Bush brainwash is amazing, how can you be legitimizing Iraq bombing because of 9-11 ?! These are separated problems for God sake!, well even if th
55 Ual777contrail : To many bleeding hearts, and the same reason they opposed VIETMAN. Most of these tree huggers want to make love not war. " to secure peace, is to prep
56 Ryanb741 : Going to war without a UN mandate would be suicide for the US and UK (and Bush and Blair know it), so I hope and believe we will get it. But I do want
57 Airplay : If this war has nothing to do with oil, and the US feels comfortable with other non-Arab sources, then someone explain to me, why the hell gasoline pr
58 Alpha 1 : To many bleeding hearts, and the same reason they opposed VIETMAN. Newsflash to you, pal: most Americans, by 1966, opposed the war in Vietnam. Or did
59 Advancedkid : Wardialer, I hope you got this straight by now. One thing I must add is we as the so called "west" should keep our hands to ourselves and stop messing
60 777236ER : UAL777Contrail, I'm curious as to your actual expierence in any wars.
61 Schoenorama : To Delta-flyer: "Well, hehehe, I guess we're damned if we do and we're damned if we don't. Schoenorama seems to have a fixation on Chile and Nicaragua
62 SESGDL : War in Iraq will further increase other world regions' hatred for the United States. Jeremy
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