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The March To Save Saddam  
User currently offlineGalaxy5 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2034 posts, RR: 24
Posted (11 years 10 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 1760 times:

Editorial: The March To Save Saddam
By David Horowitz
FrontPageMagazine.com | February 17, 2003


Millions of people poured into the streets of cities from Melbourne to New York on Saturday February 15 to protect Saddam Hussein from an imminent American attempt to disarm and dethrone him and disable his arsenal of chemical, biological and proto-nuclear weapons. They professed concern about Iraqi children (bearing mock bodies to symbolize their alarm) but marched in solidarity with Palestinians and Arabs who kill their own children by strapping bombs to them and telling them to blow up other children -- Jew children -- so that they will go to heaven and their families will receive a $25,000 reward.

In politics intentions count for nothing; actions are what matter. If the marchers are successful, Saddam will survive to be stronger than ever. All over the Middle East and the Muslim world fanatical haters of Americans, Christians and Jews will take heart from Saddam's successful defiance, will draw the conclusion that the West is weak, and will be inspired to commit new atrocities against its most defenceless citizens.

All the marches were organized by supporters of Communist and other totalitarianisms, and by the fifth column agents of Islamo-fascism. All the demonstrations promoted Iraqi war propaganda -- myths about starving children and about alleged mercernary interests behind American policy; all of them had one purpose -- to disarm the American force already in the Middle East and allow Saddam to fight another day.

It is true that some of the marchers were well-intentioned or at least not so blind yet that they could look past the evil that is the regime in Iraq. What of it? What could be more irrelevant than splitting critical hairs when your country is under attack and your actions serve the aggressors?

During the Cold War there were many intelligent souls on the left who joined the "peace" demonstrations in the West organized by Communists and their supporters, but described themselves as "anti-anti-Communists." They meant by this that they knew that Communism was bad, but were against the cold warriors who were locked in mortal combat with the Soviet empire. The Gorbachev regime in their eyes was bad, but Ronald Reagan was a "warmonger" and therefore worse.

The anti-anti-Communists may have been good at stimulating critical discussion. A democracy can always benefit from dissenters because no faction has a monopoly on truth. But in practice the decent opponents of Cold War encouraged the Communists to hold onto their slave empire and resist the presures of the free world. In the end it was Ronald Reagan and the Cold Warriors he led who stymied the Communists' ambitions, brought down the Soviet empire and liberated more than a billion people. In the scales of that historic struggle, when it came to mobilizing the military resources that backed the enemy down, the anti-anti-Communists ultimately put their weight on the other side of the scale.

During the Vietnam War -- the clearest parallel to the present events -- the anti-war movement was organized by Communists who wanted the other side to win. The non-Communists who joined their marches, whatever their intentions, served the same practical end. America was divided at home and these divisons evnetually forced its armies to retreat from the field of battle. As a result, the Communists won and proceeded to slaughter two-and-a-half million peasants in Indo-China between 1975 and 1978. This is the scenario that the people (mostly the same people) who are leading Saturday's protests hope to accomplish: the defeat of the West and the triumph of Islamo-fascism and its friends.

Today's "peace" movement -- the innocent-intentioned along with the malevolent rest -- is a fifth column army in our midst working for the other side. Already their leaders have warned that if the United States remains determined to oppose this totalitarian evil and stay its intended course, they will act within our borders to "disrupt the flow of normal life" and sabotage the war. This is ultimately the most ominous threat Americans face. Abroad we can conquer any foe. The real danger lies at home.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=6183


"damn, I didnt know prince could Ball like that" - Charlie Murphy
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User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13252 posts, RR: 77
Reply 1, posted (11 years 10 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 1742 times:

Ah, frontpagemag, the house journal of the ignorant, the magazine of the American Taliban.
Specially recommended for trailerparks, with limited family trees.
Hell Galaxy5, what little credibility you may have had, is plummeting faster than a meteorite!


User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (11 years 10 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 1720 times:

Everyone except the most ignorant among us, and I shall not mention any names here, really believe that all but a handful of the protesters are actually concerned about saving Saddam Hussein. Personally, I don't understand why THIS potential conflict has stirred such emotion world wide, but it has, and it certainly is not out of love for Saddam.

Does that mean that a few of the protesters are there because they don't want Saddam toppled? Probably. But the overwhelming majority simply do not want a war, or have not been convinced, as I have not, that a war is necessary AT THIS TIME agianst Iraq. I believe such a time will come, but I have not been convinced it's needed now.

I guess that makes me an unpatriotic American, eh, Galaxy5?  Big grin


User currently offlineAndreas From Germany, joined Oct 2001, 6104 posts, RR: 31
Reply 3, posted (11 years 10 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 1713 times:

WOW, so many communists around the world and in the USA...fascinating, to quote Mr. Spock, aren't we all a bit communist?
Maybe he's talking about communist quotas, or maybe he tried to pick up a girl yesterday and it was one of those bloody long-haired islamo-fascist-collaborating nearly-communists who got laid instead, and now he's letting out his frustration
...yeah, I guess that's it...
...he crapped and forgot to flush...



I know it's only VfB but I like it!
User currently offlineHeavymetal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (11 years 10 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 1700 times:

Abroad we can conquer any foe. The real danger lies at home.

Great, Dave. Once the 101st is done in Baghdad, you can set em loose in San Fran. My guess is you'd still get a good night's sleep if a thousand dead Americans who happen to be liberal were rotting in the streets of San Fran or Berkeley or Ann Arbor under your guns.

These straw-visioned reactionaries will be unsatisfied until every non-hard right thought or expression is squashed. David Horowitz, like so many in giddy, intoxicating power these days, hates and despises everyone to the left of him, or , at the very least, thinks we're all a bunch of stupid children who's opinions and security is best left to hawkish parents who long ago figured out what was right and wrong. In thinking that, men like David Horowitz have precisely zero use for most of America.



User currently offlineArsenal@LHR From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 7792 posts, RR: 19
Reply 5, posted (11 years 10 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 1699 times:
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People went on the march to demonstrate against a war that they think isn't justified, this is their democratic right. But if you haven't got the mental capacity to accept this judgement than that's too bad.



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User currently offlineScorpio From Belgium, joined Oct 2001, 5051 posts, RR: 44
Reply 6, posted (11 years 10 months 1 week ago) and read 1683 times:

Ah, another great look into the twisted minds of the pea-brained of this planet. A great work of fiction by mr. Horowitz!

Millions of people poured into the streets of cities from Melbourne to New York on Saturday February 15 to protect Saddam Hussein

That's the very instant the "article" lost all its credibility to anyone with half a brain. That's right: in the very first sentence. FrontPageMag has a way of doing that.

Galaxy5, haven't you learned by now that NOTHING published by frontpagemag is considered to be a worthwile source on these forums or anywhere else for that matter? There's a REASON for that, you know...


User currently offlineOO-AOG From Switzerland, joined Dec 2000, 1426 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (11 years 10 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1578 times:

Again an excellent source of information  Yeah sure What a crap, misinformation or brainwash... make your choice


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User currently offlineCba From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 4531 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (11 years 10 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1567 times:

I can't believe some people actually believe the facist crap put out by Front Page Mag.

User currently offlineIlyushin96M From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 2609 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (11 years 10 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1564 times:

What a load of garbage! Galaxy5, what is your deal, anyway? Do you just enjoy posting utter crap to get people all pissed and have them flame you?

User currently offlineADG From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (11 years 10 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1533 times:

Didn't need to read past the first paragraph to see what this article is ...

If it were floating in your toilet you'd flush it, it's not worthwhile responding to.





ADG


User currently offlineDc863 From Denmark, joined Jun 1999, 1558 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (11 years 10 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1512 times:

I respect Mr Horowitz's views, hell he knows the real scoop better than anyone here. His site has already been bookmarked. Way to go David!

User currently offlineSchoenorama From Spain, joined Apr 2001, 2440 posts, RR: 25
Reply 12, posted (11 years 10 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1501 times:

Galaxy5 :


Read this: http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=15199

(For copyright reasons, I can't 'copy-and-past' it here).



Utinam logica falsa tuam philosophiam totam suffodiant!
User currently offlinePH-KCA From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 124 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (11 years 10 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 1486 times:

Well, these protests may not be meant to support Saddamn Hussein, but I think that indirectly they some sort do.
What do all you people against the war in Iraq think that should happen instead?
And when no WMD's are found and thus no interference by the UN, do you okay the fact that Iraq will remain a dictatorship, with Saddamn on power?
I mean, the result of preventing a war against Iraq is unfortunately that Saddamn and his regime will stay in power.
He certainly won't give up power peacefully and talking doesn't help, as after 10 years of talking he's still in power and playing games with the UN.
The positive fact about no war in Iraq is that there won't be killed Iraqi civilians by American / British bombs.
But when these civilians are openly criticizing Saddamn and his regime, they won't live very long neither.
So what do you think that should happen instead?


User currently offlineBmi330 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 1450 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (11 years 10 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 1465 times:

I personally think most of there arguments against war in the long run are pro war arguments. They say there main reason against it is for the Iraqi people to me that sounds a pretty good reason to have the war to get ride of Saddam who rules and controls his country under oppression and fear. So I think for human reasons the Guys have to be sent in to liberate the country and how many more last chances is that SOB going to have before action is taken to liberate and free Iraq of him?


User currently offlineADG From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (11 years 10 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1418 times:

BMI,

Whilst your reasoning for removing Hussein is good, there is no justification in your reasoning for the US to get involved in internal issues of another country. The reason many people are protesting is because the US government is LYING to the people about the requirement for war. I've yet to see one single iota of proof of this so called *direct threat* that Hussein poses against the US.

Best that can be done is to tie in Iraq with Sep 11, 2001 which realistically cannot be done by anyone who wishes to retain a skeric of credibility.

That's why most people are protesting. Others have their own agendas I guess.



ADG


User currently offlineGalaxy5 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2034 posts, RR: 24
Reply 16, posted (11 years 10 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 1397 times:

This was a test and only a test, If you would notice that the same people on here that disagree with any view that isn’t juxtaposed to theirs will immediately call it “trash”, “garbage”, “crap” or “propaganda” were are the opened minded, the people who take information at face value, they don’t and cant, their main purpose here is to force feed the average person on here with their ideals and theology. Have you noticed how they never really retort information they just call you “Ignorant” or “brainwashed” of course from a different point of view they could also be considered “Ignorant” or “brainwashed”. Now im not here to say that my or any others point of view is right or wrong, it is just my or their point of view. However one side tends to get down right nasty and demeaning to those who have a different take on a specific topic. Now that being said I suppose they are entitled to their feelings, but remember (and you know who you are) so are others on here and you just discredit yourselves by your behavior (or lack there of). SO when you state, “be opened minded and listen,” remember it’s a two way street.


"damn, I didnt know prince could Ball like that" - Charlie Murphy
User currently offlineSebolino From France, joined May 2001, 3682 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (11 years 10 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 1392 times:

That article was indeed trash, garbage, crap and propaganda.

User currently offlinePacificjourney From New Zealand, joined Jul 2001, 2734 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (11 years 10 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1381 times:

This was only a test ???

You mean it wasn't a genuine attempt by Galaxy5 to have a rational discussion about world affairs ... ?

Shocked and stunned by this revelation, shocked and stunned ...



" Help, help ... I'm being oppressed ... "
User currently offlineHeavymetal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (11 years 10 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1377 times:

However one side tends to get down right nasty and demeaning to those who have a different take on a specific topic.

It is a two way street, Galaxy. I've been called every name in the book by the conservatives here. My patriotism, loyalty to America, even my courage, has been brought up in cheap displays of pathetic armchair generalism. And I'll claim no high road, cause I can give as good as I get.

But you've not reached the high road either with this post. My response was to Horowitz, not to you. But if this was some predictable bait to ferret out the indignant, it sounds like you weren't interested in my opinion anyway.


User currently offlineKeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (11 years 10 months 6 days ago) and read 1352 times:

Galaxy5, another patriotic source of inspiration : http://www.newsmax.com



very amusing I must say !

 Big grin


User currently offlineManni From South Korea, joined Nov 2001, 4221 posts, RR: 22
Reply 21, posted (11 years 10 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 1331 times:

OMG, what a piece of trash, that website is.
It's clear where some people get their inspiration from.



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User currently offlineADG From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (11 years 10 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 1302 times:

Galaxy,

Given the fact that you only need to read the first 2 lines to find a lie, what should people call it?

and I hardly think YOU are in a position to make judgements about the negative behaviour of others....



ADG


User currently offlineScorpio From Belgium, joined Oct 2001, 5051 posts, RR: 44
Reply 23, posted (11 years 10 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 1293 times:

Galaxy 5,

This was a test and only a test

And I'm the Queen Mum  Yeah sure


User currently offlineLehpron From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 7028 posts, RR: 21
Reply 24, posted (11 years 10 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 1293 times:

Hey folks: Galaxy5 did not post his views on this yet, so who are we to judge him without knowledge? How dare any of us accuse him of anything before he pleads his case. I do not automatically believe that this article represents him just because the article is bunk. That doesn't mean he is just because he bothered to bring it in here for us to...ahem...discuss.  Yeah sure

Though, I should point out that the article is entirely one-way and entirely going into a dead-end, eventually. Those who think that way won't see the end cuz they think in short-term.



The meaning of life is curiosity; we were put on this planet to explore opportunities.
25 Dc863 : David Horowitz was once a leftist and closely associated with the Black Panthers before he saw what lies both parties were putting forth. It's because
26 GDB : And? So this prick has gone from one stupid extreme to another? That really makes him right? No, just as stupid as ever. Come to think of it, he's not
27 Dc863 : Tsk, tsk GDB name calling just because you don't agree. Come now your above that right?
28 GDB : It's too stupid to take seriously, says a whole lot about those who do though. Cfalk did a very thought provoking thread on the endgame in Iraq, the '
29 Dc863 : Wow sonny, you must think your some sort of moral beacon high above everyone else.
30 Jaysit : ...It is a two way street, Galaxy. I've been called every name in the book by the conservatives here. My patriotism, loyalty to America, even my coura
31 Scorpio : Dc863, Wow sonny, you must think your some sort of moral beacon high above everyone else. No, he's just morally high above the writer of this "article
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