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Why Would The Santillan's Do This?  
User currently offlineNBC News1 From UK - England, joined May 2001, 324 posts, RR: 0
Posted (11 years 6 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 1240 times:

Jesica Santillan was the Mexican girl who received the wrong heart and lungs in a transplant last week. Then, to fix the horrible mistake, she received a new heart and new lungs. The new organs were accepted by the little girl and that part of her body was doing fine...however, she died today because of swelling in her brain that led her to be brain dead. She was taken off her respirator at 1:25p.m. in L.A.

I understand that the parents of this girl are devastated...but when asked if they would like her organs to be donated, the parents said no.

I find this surprising. Do they not realize that there would be any number of other people, just like their daughter, in need of these organs?

I think it's one little thing that makes this story even sadder then it has to be.

I find it odd that they're willing to accept organs, but unwilling to give them away.

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User currently offlineFlyingTexan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (11 years 6 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 1226 times:

Doctors declared Jesica Santillan brain dead at 1:25 p.m. She was taken off life-support machines about 5 p.m at Duke University Medical Center in Durham, North Carolina.

According to Duke University Medical Center spokesman Richard Puff, The Santillan family declined to donate any organs from Jesica's body.


Yahoo link to AP News story:

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&cid=514&ncid=514&e=1&u=/ap/20030222/ap_on_he_me/transplant_error_123

May Jessica's soul rest in peace.

What an appalling decision from her family regarding her organs. I have ZERO respect for them. Here is my message to them: "You need to pack your shit up and go back where you came from. You are not welcome back my country"

JR FlyingTexan


User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (11 years 6 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 1221 times:

"You need to pack your shit up and go back where you came from. You are not welcome back my country"

This seems to be a common solution when "lesser Americans" are concerned.


User currently offlineAA61hvy From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 13977 posts, RR: 57
Reply 3, posted (11 years 6 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 1221 times:

My girlfriend works in a hosptial, she said the WHOLE hosptial will be under investigation. She said it is unheard of, for someone to get the wrong blood type organs. She thinks someone may have messed with the computers and change the blood type. But they are in some serious trouble.


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User currently offlineMatt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 46
Reply 4, posted (11 years 6 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 1221 times:

The doctors responsible for this should have criminal negligence charges brought against them.

Anyway, to answer your question:

Why SHOULD they?

They are probably too bereaved to want to see their daughter piecemealed like that, and are probably feeling veangeful and vindictive (if my daughter died, then so is yours)

Considering the circumstances of their daughters death, I don't blame them.


User currently offlineAA61hvy From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 13977 posts, RR: 57
Reply 5, posted (11 years 6 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 1210 times:

I don't blame the parents either, they are understandably pissed off at doctors. Why would they want to helo anyone else


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User currently offlineJcs17 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 8065 posts, RR: 38
Reply 6, posted (11 years 6 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 1206 times:

I think that it is so wrong that the Santillians dont donate Jesica's organs, after going through 2 sets of lungs and hearts, they cant find the decency to help others out. What, does it only work one way? I dont care if they feel vindicative or something like that, they still should have a level of decency.


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User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (11 years 6 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 1205 times:

What, does it only work one way? I dont care if they feel vindicative or something like that, they still should have a level of decency.

I suppose you know the emotions a grieving parent goes through?


User currently offlineFlyingTexan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (11 years 6 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 1195 times:

"You need to pack your shit up and go back where you came from. You are not welcome back my country"

This seems to be a common solution when "lesser Americans" are concerned.


I rarely issue statements like that. Never have I said such things to the THOUSANDS of illegal inhabitants in my home city of Houston.

I stand by my original statement toward Jessica's family. They should TRY to save someone else – give the gift of life.

May Jessica’s sole rest in peace.

JR FlyingTexan




User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (11 years 6 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 1193 times:

I stand by my original statement toward Jessica's family. They should TRY to save someone else – give the gift of life.

They should? Why should they?


User currently offlineFlyingTexan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (11 years 6 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 1191 times:

The medical community and various philanthropic ORGANizations in this country tried to provide her with the gift of life. A grave mistake was made with a heartbreaking outcome.

Jessica's parents should to reciprocate and TRY to save someone else.


User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (11 years 6 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 1186 times:

Uh...didn't the medical community make a grevious error that caused the death of their daughter? Why should they reciprocate?

User currently offlineFlyingTexan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (11 years 6 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 1183 times:

Uh...didn't the medical community make a grevious error that caused the death of their daughter?

Correct, they did.

If Jessica’s family donated her organs, they be reciprocating by potentially saving one or more lives. They are not reciprocating toward the medical community – but toward human kind.


User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (11 years 6 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 1179 times:

Oh I'm sure the poor grieving couple are really thinking about human kind right now. Their daughter has died. The daughter died due to the gross incompetence of the people who were supposed to save her. The people who were supposed to give her new life. Can't you see how the parents might feel a little anger towards those people?

I'm a donor card holder, but how can you honestly talk about kicking someone OUT OF THE COUNTRY for not calving up their dead daughter?!


User currently offlineFlyingTexan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (11 years 6 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 1175 times:

They are not supposed to be here in the first place! Jessica was smuggled into the United States from Guadalajara, Mexico.

If it were my decision – sure, I would allow her special admittance for medical needs.

My initial reaction – I was disgusted by her parent’s decision.

Anger from her parents toward the system? Yes, definitely! Grieving? Hell yea! Thankfully it’s a grieving I cannot even fathom.

I still hold my opinion – Disgust because they refuse to donate her organs – I somewhat understand – they are going through lot of shit.

Maybe they will change their mind (I don’t plan on changing mine).

You, 77236ER, put up a good fight/good argument. Thank you for keeping it civil (sans you ‘lesser American’ comment. BTW – I’m Canadian, too). I am going to go now – I need to check out the Hooters 737.

Respectfully –

JR FlyingTexan


User currently offlineAA61hvy From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 13977 posts, RR: 57
Reply 15, posted (11 years 6 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 1164 times:

It is too late to change their mind. Organs can only last so long after blood has been stopped to them, and the window is very small.


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User currently offlineUSAFHummer From United States of America, joined May 2000, 10685 posts, RR: 52
Reply 16, posted (11 years 6 months 4 weeks ago) and read 1135 times:

I smell some kind of lawsuit...malpractice, negligence, wrongful death...something along those lines probably...

Greg



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User currently offlineAA61hvy From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 13977 posts, RR: 57
Reply 17, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 1116 times:

I thought I heard she was an illegal immigrant. If she was, how the hell did she get on the donor list?


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User currently offlineMirrodie From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 7443 posts, RR: 62
Reply 18, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 1112 times:
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777236ER and Matt D, I agree with you 100%.

When I read this a few moments ago, I was in agreement much with the original poster, thinking how the F#$% could they do that.

Then thought of what that family went through, and well, who am I to fault them?

Regardless of how some of you THINK you would react, the truth is that NONE of you are in their shoes, so grow up and qwitkerbitchen.

I doubt most of you guys on this thread (who think they should donate)are parents, hence your standpoint.

777236ER, BTW, love your profile  Wink/being sarcastic




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User currently offlineRedngold From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 6907 posts, RR: 44
Reply 19, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 1100 times:

There is a good reason for them not allowing the new organs to be "dominoed" (the medical slang for taking newly transplanted organs and retransplanting them)

The Santillans want to have an autopsy done, and to have a proper autopsy those organs need to be in place to rule out failure/disease within the new organs.

This is a terrible case involving numerous mistakes, breaches of code and ethics (as far as I am concerned) and a terrible outcome.

Aside from the fact that the DUMC physicians ended life support without the permission of the family (they wanted a second opinion from an outside doctor before life support was removed)... The Santillans have a right to be distressed.

I think Duke University Hospital is in for a major lawsuit.

May Jesica rest in peace.

redngold

PS As for those of you who think Jesica and her family should have stayed in Mexico -- if you were in the same situation wouldn't you do everything you could to get your daughter the best treatment available? I don't know about the practice of transplants in Mexico, but U.S. medical care is far superior in general. The risk they took to get their daughter here, even though it was illegal, seemed worth it until she was given incompatible organs. And those of you who think she got "someone else's organs" think again-- so many organs don't match, or are found to have some sort of defect that makes them untransplantable, or otherwise go unused in transplant, that it's unlikely she got "someone else's organs" either of the two times. Not only blood type and tissue type but size and donor cause of death are factors in whether an organ is transplantable, regardless of need and urgency.



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User currently offlineTbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7013 posts, RR: 25
Reply 20, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 1092 times:

For those of you who are saying that they are making the wrong decision by not offering to donate their daughter's organs, put yourself in the parents shoes for a second. You just lived through over two weeks of trauma with your daughter. She died at the hands of negligent daughters. And now you're being harrassed because you're not giving up your daughter's organs? I dont think I can even begin to imagine the emotional distress they're going through right now.

I dont think anybody should be forced to donate organs. I dont think there is any side that is morally stronger. If you donate organs, good for you. If you dont, you have every right to that at well, to not want your loved one cut apart when they're dead. Donating organs is a wonderful charity of course, but not donating organs is fine too.

How many of you on your drivers license have the little organ donor sticker? I know I dont, because my parents dont want that if I were to die. And when I die, they will have control over me or my "body" because I wont be an entity any longer.



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User currently offlineRedngold From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 6907 posts, RR: 44
Reply 21, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 1073 times:

From the Jesica's Hope Chest website http://www.4jhc.org/:

About the Santillan family's decision not to donate Jesica's organs.

We have received several scathing e-mails from people who are concerned that the family refused to donate Jesica's organs. We want to make sure that there is an understanding of what has occurred. Jesica's mother had asked about donating Jesica's new heart and lungs, she thought it would be a shame for them to go to waste, and about donating Jesica's other organs. The doctors told the Santillans and Mr. Mahoney that the heart and lungs would not be serviceable for a re-transplant and that the kidneys and liver were ruined from being on life support for too lengthy a time and the other organs and tissues were so saturated with medications and anti-rejection drugs that they also would not be serviceable for donation. By the time that the doctors got around to telling the family that they may be able to use the corneas of Jesica's eyes (and that was all that would have been useable) the family had been put through the worst ordeal a family could face and a very tired and emotionally worn out mother took the advice of her legal counsel to leave Jesica as is, for the pending autopsy.

Please understand that the Santillan family and us here at JHC believe in the importance of donation. We are all extremely grateful to the two families who gave the most precious gift to Jesica to try to extend her life. The donation of the corneas, as we understand it, would not make a life saving impact for anyone.

Please consider becoming a donor and make sure to tell your family of your decision.

---snip---

redngold



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User currently onlineMarcus From Mexico, joined Apr 2001, 1797 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 1071 times:

I really can't give an opinion regarding the Santillan's decision............I have never had a daughter in need of a transplant, go in to coma because of wrong type of organs, go thru another operation to repair the damage......and then finally die.

I think only those who have gone thru this ordeal can give an oppinion on this issue.

FlyingTexan..............you have lost all the respect I had for your opinions on this site.




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User currently offlineADG From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 1046 times:

Well if we read and believe the article quoted by Redngold then there are a few of you who owe the family an apology, are you big enough?





ADG


User currently onlineMarcus From Mexico, joined Apr 2001, 1797 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (11 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 1027 times:

OK.......who is going to apologize first?




Kids!....we are going to the happiest place on earth...TIJUANA! signed: Krusty the Clown
25 Toner : This whole episode stinks to high heaven. Her family bribed another Mexican who was an expert at smuggling illegals into the USA. Meanwhile, American
26 AA61hvy : (Shakes head at Toner's post) She was a child Toner. She was maybe 12-15 years old.
27 777236ER : Meanwhile, American veterans who need organs die every day while waiting. Because Americans (well...only the white ones) are better than anyone else,
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