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User currently offlineROLEX01 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (13 years 3 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 1887 times:

I mean, 4 months later, they realize,OH! OH! We GOTTA DO A PROTEST MARCH!! What a bunch of idiots! Oh wait..... It's because it's the height of protest season in Europe. With the weekly anti-U.S. marches for Iraq, the protests for homeless cats in Rome, the Paris protests against privatization, pension reforms and Israel, .... a professional protester justs gets too busy.

My take on the whole situation?

When the ship first reported trouble they asked Spain to allow them into port to off load the oil and try to salvage the vessel. Once again the tree hugging enviromental wacos protested, bitched and wined and refused the ship a safe harbor. It broke up a few days later. They got what they deserved.

[Edited 2003-02-24 04:19:29]

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User currently offlinePilot1113 From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 2333 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (13 years 3 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 1876 times:

Is that thing still leaking oil?

- Neil Harrison

User currently offlineTeva From France, joined Jan 2001, 1881 posts, RR: 15
Reply 2, posted (13 years 3 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 1834 times:

This is not the first protest, but the biggest.
The reason is that the Province and National authorities were unable to take decisions, and later, unable to organize the cleaning properly. At the beginning, fishermen were doing everything.
And that's why they were protesting against Mr Aznar. Instead of trying to devide Europe and being the vasal of the USA, the "President of the Republic of Spain" (As per Bush Brother..) should have dealt more appropriately with this internal problem.
If Spain has money to go to war with the US, there should be enough money and ressources to clean the country.
The other objective of this protest is to put pressure on the EU commision, to make sure it implements faster a new regulation about those tankers (Equivalent to what the US did after the Exxon-Valdez) (You see.. sometimes, even the Frenchies can appreciate what a US government does... )  Big grin

Ecoute les orgues, Elles jouent pour toi...C'est le requiem pour un con
User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (13 years 3 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 1831 times:


Yes, it's still leaking, in fact about 2/3 of the cargo is still on board and leaking.

The cleanup is a mess - they are using convicts to clean up, along with sailers and fishermen who've been thrown out of work, and some volunteers.

But I think the lessons are pretty clear:

- Single-hulled tankers should be banned ASAP,
- The nearest port must accept the responsibility if it refuses to allow a ship to come in for emergency repairs,
- The practice of shadow ship-owners, leasors, and flags of convenience must be made strictor. Is anyone surprised on how the owners and leasor of the Prestige folded their tents immediately after the disaster to avoid being pursued?


User currently offlineSchoenorama From Spain, joined Apr 2001, 2440 posts, RR: 23
Reply 4, posted (13 years 3 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 1824 times:

Obviously, ROLEX01, you don't have a clue what you are talking about. Yesterdays' protest wasn't the first one, nor will it be the last.

The decision not to let the ship into a Spanish harbour was taken by the Spanish Government, against the advices from about 99% of their experts. The "tree hugging environmental wacos" as you call them and who, by the way, also fight for a better world for YOU, were NOT against the ship entering a port.

Many of those people protesting yesterday in Madrid earn their living directly or indirectly from the sea (the area of Galicia which is most affected is known for its quality seafood). These people were the ones that knew that the ship had to be taken to a port. It was their Government that decided something completely different with drastic results.

Next time you decide to post, check whether what you are posting is true.

Utinam logica falsa tuam philosophiam totam suffodiant!
User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 30408 posts, RR: 57
Reply 5, posted (13 years 3 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 1823 times:

The Spanish government was not interested in preventing that oil spill. If they where when the first crack was detected it should have been pulled into a port where it could have been offloaded/repaired.

As it was no Spanish port allowed the ship to enter it's sheltered waters for fear of the ship and possibly a small amount of it's cargo may have leaked. Instead it was ordered off into the stormy North Atlantic where the crack worsened due to the weather it was forced to fight and eventually the ship split in two. Now every one of those ports the ship could have docked into have been oiled, and a lot of the coastline. Much bigger mess then the alternative.

The Spanish government also wasn't interested in cleaning up the mess their failure to allow the ship to port caused. Immediately following the spill the State of Alaska offered any assistance that would be needed. The Spanish government accepted and equipment from the Alaska oil terminal was sent to Spain and about a dozen guys to train locals on using the gear, which included four different sets of collection gear that was designed to be used from fishing boats and at least two different types of collection gear that was designed after the Exxon valets to recover oil from outside waters.

As it turned out the Spanish Authorities refused to release the gear to the local communities that where being oiled, the excuses ran the gamut from not enough sets of gear for all the villages (apparent protecting even one is not enough) to a lack of manpower. Only on the last day was the gear even allowed to be put into the water for training. That was at the request of a news crew who asked the day before for some shots of it being used. The local politicians agreed and the next day managed with their lack of manpower I mentioned before about 100 workers to deploy the gear. They also called every local station to film the training session too.

Those guys from Alaska who came to do the training came back to the state, without seeing their gear every picking up one drop of oil.

User currently offlineSchoenorama From Spain, joined Apr 2001, 2440 posts, RR: 23
Reply 6, posted (13 years 3 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 1815 times:

When the first oil reached the Spanish beaches, all of the initial cleaning was been done by volunteers from all over Spain. Many people asked the Spanish Government to sent in the military but the Government, at that time, did not comply. During many weeks, the only military forces that were helping out were those of other European countries (i.e. from Belgium).

As for the material needed to clean the beaches, Spain does not have a single ship to do so, despite the fact that this isn't the first time a tanker creates a major disaster.

As for the protest of yesterday, the main reason of this protest was the complete irrisponsable attitude of the Spanish Government, not only at the time of the disaster, but also in the inmediate weeks after and even now. Appearantly, as Mr. Aznars' political party (PP) has a majority, he thinks he can do whatever he likes.

Utinam logica falsa tuam philosophiam totam suffodiant!
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