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Should We Care If We Hit The Human Shields?  
User currently offlineJcs17 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 8065 posts, RR: 39
Posted (11 years 8 months 14 hours ago) and read 2032 times:

I'm tired of watching these "human shields" on television who think that they will make a difference in the bombing of Iraq. Do they think that most of us (as Americans) actually care about them? Seriously, if these "human shields" are at site which is due to be bombed, I really think that we should go ahead and just bomb the site....whether they are there or not. These people know the risks going into such an undertaking, and by deciding to stand around an "empty food warehouse" (as Iraq calls it) they run the risk of getting bombed. The bottom line is that if we hold up bombing because of these people, then we certainly run the risk of allowing the Iraqi troops to move supplies and whatever is due to be bombed. If that isnt giving aid to an enemy, I dont know what is. However, we should make it known to these protestors/human shields that if they decide to "guard" a site that will be bombed, that we WILL NOT stop because of them.


America's chickens are coming home to rooooost!
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User currently offlineTWAL1011 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 206 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (11 years 8 months 14 hours ago) and read 2026 times:

Jcs, jcs, jcs...

Of course we care about them. I do, anyway.

They're people just like us. They just have their priorities a little messed up.


User currently offlineFSPilot747 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 3599 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (11 years 8 months 14 hours ago) and read 2025 times:

Jcs17: Are you a misanthrope? Just curious.



FSP


User currently offlineNational_757 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (11 years 8 months 13 hours ago) and read 2017 times:

I think we shouldn't intentionally target them. However, they know they are putting their lives at risk by being in Iraq.

I think I agree with TWA, they just have their priorities a little messed up but they certainly aren't evil people. I'm sure some of them have families.


User currently offlineKolobokman From Russia, joined Oct 2000, 1180 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (11 years 8 months 13 hours ago) and read 2009 times:

I like people.




-I



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User currently offlineJcs17 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 8065 posts, RR: 39
Reply 5, posted (11 years 8 months 13 hours ago) and read 2010 times:

Lets get one thing straight, I dont think we should intentionally target these people. I do think that we should go about the war the same way we would had these people not been in Iraq. And yes, I trust man kind, to a certain extent  Big grin


America's chickens are coming home to rooooost!
User currently offlineTWAL1011 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 206 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (11 years 8 months 13 hours ago) and read 2008 times:

Though you're at the other end of the political spectrum, JCS, you're treading into Airplay territory with this one.

User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16307 posts, RR: 56
Reply 7, posted (11 years 8 months 13 hours ago) and read 2010 times:

While well-meaning, they are naive if they think the US will try to avoid hitting the areas thay are in because they are there.






Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineThumper From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 550 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (11 years 8 months 13 hours ago) and read 1995 times:

When and if this war actually starts these people will run! When planes start flying overhead there grandstanding will end!

User currently offlineJetService From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4798 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (11 years 8 months 13 hours ago) and read 1991 times:

How will they know where to go? Will the Iraqi's tell them where good military targets are? Will they trust them? How will the military know where they are? What will happen to them after the shit starts getting thick and most of them change their minds? Will they be used and suddenly be forced to shield blindfolded? (Think of the propaganda material a bunch of dead westerners will provide). I hope none of the damn fools get hurt, but I suspect the the Allies will not change one tactical plan because of them.


"Shaddap you!"
User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16307 posts, RR: 56
Reply 10, posted (11 years 8 months 13 hours ago) and read 1991 times:

Unfortunately, the war will likely be so intense, that these people will not be able to run. Many will likely be killed.




Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineClipperhawaii From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2033 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (11 years 8 months 13 hours ago) and read 1975 times:

What sane person could possibly think that by voluntarily standing in front of a potential target, they could prevent the worlds most powerful military which is posed to strike and strike hard is beyond me.

Today's human shield is tomorrows recipient of the Darwin Award.
Congratulations! LOL




"You Can't Beat The Experience"
User currently offlineDesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7785 posts, RR: 16
Reply 12, posted (11 years 8 months 13 hours ago) and read 1973 times:

Frankly I worry MUCH more about Iraqi citizens who may be used as human shields. They have virtually no control over this, whereas the anti-war human shields have made a conscious decision to do so.


Stop drop and roll will not save you in hell. --- seen on a church marque in rural Virginia
User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (11 years 8 months 13 hours ago) and read 1963 times:

Not in the least. These delusional fools are there on their own accord, and it shouldn't affect anything tha is done if a conflict with Iraq breaks out. If they want to die along with a thug like Saddam, so be it. I just don't want any of their delusional families over here suing after the fact. That would top it off, wouldn't it?

User currently offlineMaiznblu_757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5112 posts, RR: 50
Reply 14, posted (11 years 8 months 13 hours ago) and read 1955 times:

If Iraqi civilians are forced to be human shields by Soooodamn Insane, then that is a war crime. We will continue laying our ordinance, and charge him later. That is if..... he still alive.

User currently offlineTWAL1011 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 206 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (11 years 8 months 13 hours ago) and read 1951 times:

These delusional fools...

Yes, that's exactly what they are. Do I care about them? You bet. Do I sympathize with them? No.



User currently offlineCba From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 4531 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (11 years 8 months 12 hours ago) and read 1942 times:

We do care about them. Saddam uses innocent civilians and POW's as human shields.

User currently offlineIlyushin96M From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 2609 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (11 years 8 months 12 hours ago) and read 1928 times:

Well, if these people went to Iraq and volunteered to be human shields, then I don't think any special care should be taken to avoid hitting them. I mean, practically speaking, if these idiots went there intentionally, as we all know they did, to put themselves in harm's way, what's to come of it if they are killed? It's the same when someone lies down on a train track in the path of an oncoming train...nothing to be done, if they won't get out of the way.

The question I have is, where are these idiots putting themselves - in munitions dumbs, nuclear plants, weapons manufacturing sites, etc., or in schools, hospitals and other civilian areas?

FYI - anyone who thinks these people are being FORCED into the human shield position by Saddam Hussein is not paying attention. These people DELIBERATELY traveled to Iraq to serve in that capacity.


User currently offlineAirplay From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (11 years 8 months 12 hours ago) and read 1921 times:

Why would the US care about killing a few hundred innocent people in Iraq? They didn't care about indiscriminately whacking a few hundred thousand civilian men woman and children in Japan.

I think they call it "collateral damage" or some dehumanizing term like that...

I don't think the human shields are under some misguided idea that they will avert attack. In an interview at least one said they are there to make a statement that the war is wrong and unsubstantiated and they are showing defiance. Not support for Iraq. It's called risking your life for what you believe in.

I wouldn't do it personally because I'm just not that passionate about the whole thing. Believe it or not, I think Saddam is evil and misguided. But Geroge is a bit of a nutbar himself.


User currently offlineDc863 From Denmark, joined Jun 1999, 1558 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (11 years 8 months 11 hours ago) and read 1915 times:

I guarantee that the sound of roaring jets overhead on afterburners, AAA fire, and exploding 1000 and 2000lb JDAMS will make most everyone run for the nearest bunker and hunker down.

User currently offlineJcs17 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 8065 posts, RR: 39
Reply 20, posted (11 years 8 months 11 hours ago) and read 1909 times:

They didn't care about indiscriminately whacking a few hundred thousand civilian men woman and children in Japan.

Yeah, the Japanese shouldve thought about that before starting a war  Yeah sure I hope all Canadians dont think about America the way that you do.



America's chickens are coming home to rooooost!
User currently offlineRyu2 From Taiwan, joined Aug 2002, 493 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (11 years 8 months 11 hours ago) and read 1907 times:

Well, US intelligence knew that there were about 12 US POWs in Hiroshima, but they still nuked it in 1945. So, I wouldn't think different for Iraq.

User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16307 posts, RR: 56
Reply 22, posted (11 years 8 months 11 hours ago) and read 1900 times:

I hope all Canadians dont think about America the way that you do.

No worries JCS! This Canadian (as are most) is proudly pro-American. Unfortunately, Canada does have a stable of bitter anti-American socialists.....they are found disproportionally in our poorer provinces.




Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineMaiznblu_757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5112 posts, RR: 50
Reply 23, posted (11 years 8 months 10 hours ago) and read 1891 times:

Username: Airplay
From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 772 posts, RR: 9
Reply: 18
Posted Thu Feb 27 2003 05:53:49 UTC+1 and read 28 times:
Why would the US care about killing a few hundred innocent people in Iraq? They didn't care about indiscriminately whacking a few hundred thousand civilian men woman and children in Japan.

I think they call it "collateral damage" or some dehumanizing term like that...

I don't think the human shields are under some misguided idea that they will avert attack. In an interview at least one said they are there to make a statement that the war is wrong and unsubstantiated and they are showing defiance. Not support for Iraq. It's called risking your life for what you believe in.

I wouldn't do it personally because I'm just not that passionate about the whole thing. Believe it or not, I think Saddam is evil and misguided. But Geroge is a bit of a nutbar himself.



Homeslice.... Check this out. I think you lost all credibility last night, saying "Bush is the next Hitler". Any of your posts after that one can be summed up in one short phrase.... Laughable at Best

Good day.




User currently offlineNormalSpeed From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (11 years 8 months 10 hours ago) and read 1882 times:

No. Anyone stupid enough to volunteer to be collateral damage doesn't deserve to pass on their genes.

'Speed


25 We're Nuts : How easy it is for you to talk from the comfort of your chair. How many of you plan to enlist, I wonder....
26 L-188 : Ryu you have a link about those 12 POW's. I am not harping or digging at you, I am just curious to read a bit more about them. As far as these guys go
27 Illini_152 : Personally, I think that if any of these morons (and that's what they are, more on that later) surrvive, when they return to this country they should
28 Cfalk : I suppose we will soon know who will be the winners of the 2003 Darwin Awards. Charles
29 Post contains images 707cmf : Call them what you want. Morons ? Darwin Award candidates ? They stand up for what they believe is right, and even you disagree with them, you should
30 Cfalk : Antoine, Firstly, The man you showed on the picture was not defending a dictatorship - he was rather moving against it. Secondly, he was acting in his
31 Keesje : Charles, what is the "right side" & who determines this ? Mujahedin were also heroes, before their more extremic Islamic beliefs came into the spotlig
32 Alpha 1 : Why would the US care about killing a few hundred innocent people in Iraq? They didn't care about indiscriminately whacking a few hundred thousand civ
33 707cmf : The problem, as you see, is there is no right or wrong side. They are not standing on the side of a murderous dictator, they are standing on the side
34 Galaxy5 : Nope, they should be considered collateral damage if they are killed, they knew what they were doing. Also if they dont get killed (if they are Americ
35 GDB : The UK human shields have indicated that they will be near power stations, due to concerns about what happens to hospitals that are deprived of power
36 777236ER : The U.S. wasn't wrong then In one instance it's ok to target civilians directly, and in other instances it's not? It's not being anti-American, I'm ju
37 N79969 : Cfalk beat me to it. These guys have nominated themselves for Darwin Awards. Saddam has been gracious enough to pay for lodging with stocked fridges f
38 N79969 : 777236ER, US actions actions in Japan ultimately saved lives. If the US invaded the Japanese islands, millions more would have died. I suggest you ask
39 JetService : 777236ER, the fact that you need 1945 and 9/11 differenciated is frightening. In WWII which country DIDN'T target civilians during bombing raids? Were
40 777236ER : If the US invaded the Japanese islands, millions more would have died. I suggest you ask your question in Seoul or Nanking. It's still a bit of a moot
41 JetService : If you want me to make me think, then argue why its justified. Saying 'because they thought it was' is NOT a viable argument to that point.
42 Srbmod : Hey, if these idiots want to get themselves killed this way, let them. We need to thin the herd out of dumbasses and dreamers. Hey, if you're dumb eno
43 777236ER : If you want me to make me think, then argue why its justified. Saying 'because they thought it was' is NOT a viable argument to that point I'm not try
44 Cfalk : 7, Nobody was upset at Osama for 9/11 because it was pre-emptive. That's a non-issue. The entire reason the world came down on him was that he targete
45 ADG : I'm not trying to justify them, I'm just showing how it could be justified! If the US attacks Iraq without a UN resolution and without Iraq attacking
46 Toner : Winnie Mandella will be there.
47 777236ER : The entire reason the world came down on him was that he targeted civilians in large numbers, indiscriminately. Like Hiroshiema? Nagasaki? Lots more p
48 Illini_152 : Slight differance. Hiroshima and Nagisaki came about during times of declared war. The bombings were undertaken by a legitimate nation-state against a
49 777236ER : If you cannot see the differnace between the legal actions between nations at war, and the indiscriminate targeting of civilians in a criminal attack
50 Illini_152 : I'm sorry if you took that as a personal insult, it was not meant to be. How does Bush NOT have UN backing? Saddam's violation of 17 UN resolutions, t
51 Galaxy5 : 777236ER From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2001, 4176 posts, RR: 72 Reply: 36 Posted Thu Feb 27 2003 17:51:33 UTC+1 and read 170 times: The U.S. wasn't
52 We're Nuts : I am surprised that for all the tough-talk going on here, no one accepts my challenge to enlist. Says more than words ever could.
53 777236ER : dude, if you cant see a difference between WWII Japan 1945 and sept 11 2001, then your a lost cause anyhow and there is no way to help your corrupted
54 USAFHummer : "Today's human shield is tomorrows recipient of the Darwin Award. Congratulations! LOL" - ClipperHawaii Couldn't agree more... Greg
55 Schoenorama : To Illini_152: "How does Bush NOT have UN backing? Saddam's violation of 17 UN resolutions" In case the US would start a pre-emptive war on Iraq witho
56 Airplay : Homeslice.... Check this out. I think you lost all credibility last night, saying "Bush is the next Hitler". Any of your posts after that one can be s
57 Alpha 1 : How exactly can you be so sure that it stopped the war or that the war may not have been over soon anyway? As sure as there's snow on the ground here,
58 Post contains links Airplay : Further, I was watching History Channel last night. Where exactly was the History Channel program you were watching last night produced?? Every countr
59 Alpha 1 : Where exactly was the History Channel program you were watching last night produced?? Every country has it's own take on history. You really need to c
60 Post contains links Airplay : They would have fought on, because the code of Bushdio that had been drummed into their head since the victory over Russia in 1905 was believed as hol
61 Post contains links L-188 : Airplay. Where on earth did you get that 5% number. It is ridiculously low. Although the initial success rate was put at 80 and 50 percent based on wh
62 Alpha 1 : Can't you see the contradiction there? You say they would fight on no matter what, then you say they quit fighting because Japan surrendered. Which is
63 Illini_152 : In case the US would start a pre-emptive war on Iraq without a specific UN resolution, it would set a very dangerous precedent. If it were for violati
64 Skyway1 : Airplay..... So what about the millions of innocent Chinese civilians the Japanese slaughtered??? Shouldn't you feel a little sad for them as well???
65 Mx5_boy : JCS says: """I'm tired of watching these "human shields" on television who think that they will make a difference in the bombing of Iraq. Do they thin
66 L-188 : Well you know, it has been a pretty well advertised fact that the US and western powers do tend to try and avoid unneeded killing. I am thinking about
67 I LOVE EWR : A few things. First off if we go to war in Iraq the United States will not target civilian targets (like the terrorists do). We will go after strategi
68 Amir : I LOVE EWR what a fabulous post! You are talking as if you are the commander of the US Forces. I have a question to you: have you ever been in the mid
69 David b. : I think he has been playing too many video/computer games. They are nothing like reality.
70 Airplay : So what about the millions of innocent Chinese civilians the Japanese slaughtered??? Shouldn't you feel a little sad for them as well??? Sure. But we'
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