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Bawdy Anti-war Message At Jay Leno  
User currently offlineRacko From Germany, joined Nov 2001, 4856 posts, RR: 20
Posted (11 years 6 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2935 times:

LOL!

The the russian pop-group t.a.t.u. (you know, the lesbians) performed their across-europe hit "All The Things She Said" at the Jay Leno show. Before the show, they were told that they're not allowed to kiss each other and to say anything about Iraq on stage. However, they played a trick on Jay and wore a shirt with a very bawdy cyrillic swear, which softened translated said: "To Hell with your war". Jay Leno didn't note anything, and on saturday several russians newspapers featured a feature of a smiling Jay Leno with the 2 girls and "To Hell with your war". The producer of the show now fears she'll be fired. The next day they were scheduled for a performance at the Jimmy Kimmel Show they were forbidden to wear anything with russian words on it. Instead, the girls wore 2 shirts saying: "censored!"



So much about the free American media btw...

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User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (11 years 6 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2867 times:

What a non-story this is Racko. ROTFL.

Jay Leno, being a comedian, probably had a great laugh at it in private.

This isn't exactly going to change the course of anything, will it?


User currently offlineEric505 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 592 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (11 years 6 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2853 times:

Who cares!!!
They have about as much say as the another past guest on Jay Leno this week: Dennis Miller.



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User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (11 years 6 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2839 times:

Exactly, two Russian dykes wear a shirt in Russian (note, the people who watch Leno read English?), get away with something, so Racko and the Russian press try to make it some big anti-war victory!  Laugh out loud

User currently offlineAviatsiya From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (11 years 6 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2823 times:

Jay Leno, being a comedian, probably had a great laugh at it in private.

Cmon Alpha 1, you have taken it a bit too far here.

Leno, a comedian? Puhleese.  Smile


User currently offlineRacko From Germany, joined Nov 2001, 4856 posts, RR: 20
Reply 5, posted (11 years 6 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2825 times:

What concerns me more is that people are not allowed to their opinion on American TV shows...in the Nazi-time, this was part of the "Gleichschaltung".

[Edited 2003-03-01 22:15:41]

User currently offlineMls515 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3076 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (11 years 6 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2789 times:



Obviously it's easier for these two to formulate an opinion on war than it is to formulate their own songs!




User currently offlineMexicana757 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3041 posts, RR: 28
Reply 7, posted (11 years 6 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2778 times:

Hmmmm kind of weird that the media basically ABC and NBC are censoring the public. When they themselves get cencoreed by the governmnet they get angry and take the government to court.

I wonder if they censored them because they aren't citiznes.

but it was wrong for ABC and NBC to do that, but i guess they did it since their Late night programs are entertainment.


User currently offlineADG From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (11 years 6 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2776 times:

That's pretty funny .. I like it




ADG


User currently offlineAviatsiya From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (11 years 6 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2767 times:

Хуй :

I had to think what that means in context; you see, Хуй is Russian for "dick" and Война is "war".

Put in context it is more "Fuck the war", not "To hell with your war"; as they aren't specifying exactly which war and who's war, but making a generalised statement (even if it is in slang); but we all know what "war" they would be commenting on


User currently offlineAA61hvy From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 13977 posts, RR: 57
Reply 10, posted (11 years 6 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2754 times:

You dont see anyone on Late Night with Conan doing that crap.


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User currently offlineRayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 8005 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (11 years 6 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2749 times:

You know, something like what happened on The Tonight Show could get NBC hit with a big fine from the FCC. The FCC views dimly anything that can be considered a pejorative even if it's not in English.

User currently offlineCedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8093 posts, RR: 54
Reply 12, posted (11 years 6 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2743 times:

I don't believe that guests on an American show would be told what they can and can't say. No way has freedom of speech been eroded that badly. This is the USA for god's sake, not Burma.

I really like the single btw, great song, great video.



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User currently offlineSchoenorama From Spain, joined Apr 2001, 2440 posts, RR: 25
Reply 13, posted (11 years 6 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2742 times:

Come on you guys, the point of this thread is not WHAT it said on the T-Shirt, of the show that they were on. THE point is that they were not allowed to say anything about Iraq while on the show.

That's really funny, 'cause all one sees on US media is PRO WAR ON IRAQ things. Shouldn't that be censored as well?



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User currently offlineDesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7776 posts, RR: 16
Reply 14, posted (11 years 6 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2734 times:

I don't think the US media is pro war or anti war for that matter... they are far too afraid of offending sponsors rather than the government when it comes to these matters.


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User currently offlinePHX-LJU From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (11 years 6 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2729 times:

Racko, Schoenorama, Cedarjet,

I think some of you are missing the point; this is not a "freedom of speech" issue. The teens were appearing on a private network, which has every right to decide that outright political statements don't belong on a comedy show. I'm opposed to the war, and I'm certainly not angry at the young women, but I understand NBC's concern about a political statement being expressed on an entertainment program, especially in this manner.

Had this been a serious political talk show or a news program then yes, some of your complaints would have been more valid.


User currently offlineRacko From Germany, joined Nov 2001, 4856 posts, RR: 20
Reply 16, posted (11 years 6 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2709 times:

I don't think anybody should be told what to say or not to say, no matter what kind of show they're in. Remember, they were told "don't speak about Iraq", not "don't speak about politics" or "don't speak about anything but your music".

User currently offlineSchoenorama From Spain, joined Apr 2001, 2440 posts, RR: 25
Reply 17, posted (11 years 6 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2707 times:


To PHX-LJU:

I do understand that private networks have their own policies, but my point is that the only opinions that seem to be 'censored' are those against a war on Iraq.

Not so long ago, CNN rejected running a Anti-War ad during Larry King Live. Their reason was that the network had a policy not to accept issue ads on regions in conflict. Now that sounds really nice, but mayby, it also has to do something with the fact that CNN already has invested quite a large amount of money in setting up a base in Baghdad, in the event there is a war. I reckon that somehow, CNN would like to gain that investment back.



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User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (11 years 6 months 5 days ago) and read 2670 times:

Cmon Alpha 1, you have taken it a bit too far here.

Leno, a comedian? Puhleese.


ROTFLMAO. That's funny, Avi.  Big grin Maybe he's no Johnny Carson, but I like him a lot more than Letterman.


User currently offlineJetService From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4798 posts, RR: 11
Reply 19, posted (11 years 6 months 5 days ago) and read 2645 times:

Racko, you can relax. Jay Leno's show is a private entity. they can censor their material all they want. It fact, its their Constitutional right to do so. You need to understand that the Bill of rights applies to the government. The government can't tell Leno he can't show it. THAT would be censorship. If the decision comes from the producers or whomever related to the show, then its nothing but a business decision. Again, its their right. You obviously don't like the decision. Well, tough; its a free country.


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User currently offlineAirplay From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (11 years 6 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2624 times:

I'm not all that surprised that the major US networks censor opinons on the pending Iraq war or anything that contradicts US foreign policy.....A.Net does it too!



User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (11 years 6 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2612 times:

Again, Airplay, there is no law against this. Why can't you figure that out. NBC is a private company, and censorship, if you want to call it that, is perfectly legal. They censor their programs for airing, and this is no different. It's a non-story, except to ardent ones like you that simply can't stand the U.S.

Again, you are piss poor in your knowlegde of the U.S, or how it works. If what you say is true, we wouldn't have seen any news on the anti war protests, is that not correct? If what you say is true, then there would be no reporting on the bickering in the UN, or in NATO, would there?

Again, you don't know what you talk of. But do keep it up, it is entertaining enough to see you make a fool of yourself.  Laugh out loud


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29795 posts, RR: 58
Reply 22, posted (11 years 6 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2618 times:

FEDERAL COMMUNICATIONS COMMISSION v. PACIFICA FOUNDATION, 438 U.S. 726, 98 S.Ct. 3026 (1978).

This the the famouse George Carlin case that established the FCC's right to regulate profanity on public airwaves.....which NBC and all radio and television transmit on. I would have to have to read the opinion but I put money down that the opinion isn't limited to english versions of the words.

There could be some pretty hefty fines comming down for either NBC or more appropriatly the band if they pulled a fast one on NBC for this. If they chose to pursue it.

The videotape doesn't lie.



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User currently offline737doctor From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 1332 posts, RR: 39
Reply 23, posted (11 years 6 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2604 times:

Schoenorama, what in the heck are you spouting off about now?

I see more news stories about anti-war demonstrations and people speaking out publicly against the war than pro-war stories. The media in the United States has a decided liberal slant if anything. Once again, you're talking about things of which you have no concept.



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User currently offlineDelta-flyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 2676 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (11 years 6 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2587 times:

I don't think anybody should be told what to say or not to say, no matter what kind of show they're in.....

....but my point is that the only opinions that seem to be 'censored' are those against a war on Iraq.


Gentlemen, whoever pays for the microphone can damn well dictate what can be said or not. If these people would like to express themselves, they can get their own media, or find one that is sympathetic to their cause.

Pete


25 Mirrodie : Obviously it's easier for these two to formulate an opinion on war than it is to formulate their own songs! Very funny! How true. As much as I like th
26 Post contains links and images Airplay : Again, you don't know what you talk of. But do keep it up, it is entertaining enough to see you make a fool of yourself. There's an example right ther
27 Alpha 1 : My bet is that they are currently under a gag order that was issued by the government, executed by the network heads and trickled down to shows like L
28 Airplay : ROTFLMAO. And you live in Canada, just north of here? And you REALLY BELIEVE THIS? HAHAHAHAHA!! Airplay, you look more foolish by the minute! It's rea
29 Kolobokman : This threat needs to be locked. I see the word ХУЙ (FUCK) on the picture. I'm offended
30 KAUSpilot : Airplay, you have some serious anger problems. I am yet to meet a single person in the US that has any kind of sincere dislike for canada. Yes we make
31 STT757 : Freedom of Speech only covers you in terms of dealing with the Government and public protesting. You cannot go around your work place (or Muscians mak
32 AerLingus : This is not a case of free speech being violated nor is it a case of censorship. A talkshow books individuals or groups for a specific reason (i.e. mu
33 Alpha 1 : Simple math. How many people watch Leno? How many people watch the news? Simple common sense (which you seem to lack): Leno isn't a forum for politica
34 Post contains links Schoenorama : To 737doctor: "Thank goodness we have a president with the courage to protect our country." So says former Tennessee senator and Law & Order actor Fre
35 Airplay : Airplay, you have some serious anger problems. I am yet to meet a single person in the US that has any kind of sincere dislike for canada. Who's talki
36 AerLingus : I realise the government in this country has the capability to steer content. They do it indirectly. By this I mean that the staff of the Leno show ce
37 Alpha 1 : Tst tsk...how nice it must be to be so young, and innocent....and oblivious. I see you've gone to the ADG School of Debating: when you can't, or won't
38 Ryanb741 : Geez guys, come on, engage brains please. They weren't allowed to say ANYTHING about Iraq - i.e. 'Attack Iraq' or 'Leave Iraq alone'. This is probably
39 Airplay : I see you've gone to the ADG School of Debating: when you can't, or won't, answer a qestion put to you, stoop to idiocy like what you just wrote. Why
40 Lubcha132 : wow..that's pretty sickening. don't you think someone would ask what the shirts meant?
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