Racko From Germany, joined Nov 2001, 4856 posts, RR: 20 Posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 2875 times:
The the russian pop-group t.a.t.u. (you know, the lesbians) performed their across-europe hit "All The Things She Said" at the Jay Leno show. Before the show, they were told that they're not allowed to kiss each other and to say anything about Iraq on stage. However, they played a trick on Jay and wore a shirt with a very bawdy cyrillic swear, which softened translated said: "To Hell with your war". Jay Leno didn't note anything, and on saturday several russians newspapers featured a feature of a smiling Jay Leno with the 2 girls and "To Hell with your war". The producer of the show now fears she'll be fired. The next day they were scheduled for a performance at the Jimmy Kimmel Show they were forbidden to wear anything with russian words on it. Instead, the girls wore 2 shirts saying: "censored!"
Aviatsiya From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2707 times:
I had to think what that means in context; you see, Хуй is Russian for "dick" and Война is "war".
Put in context it is more "Fuck the war", not "To hell with your war"; as they aren't specifying exactly which war and who's war, but making a generalised statement (even if it is in slang); but we all know what "war" they would be commenting on
PHX-LJU From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2669 times:
Racko, Schoenorama, Cedarjet,
I think some of you are missing the point; this is not a "freedom of speech" issue. The teens were appearing on a private network, which has every right to decide that outright political statements don't belong on a comedy show. I'm opposed to the war, and I'm certainly not angry at the young women, but I understand NBC's concern about a political statement being expressed on an entertainment program, especially in this manner.
Had this been a serious political talk show or a news program then yes, some of your complaints would have been more valid.
Racko From Germany, joined Nov 2001, 4856 posts, RR: 20
Reply 16, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2649 times:
I don't think anybody should be told what to say or not to say, no matter what kind of show they're in. Remember, they were told "don't speak about Iraq", not "don't speak about politics" or "don't speak about anything but your music".
Schoenorama From Spain, joined Apr 2001, 2440 posts, RR: 26
Reply 17, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2647 times:
I do understand that private networks have their own policies, but my point is that the only opinions that seem to be 'censored' are those against a war on Iraq.
Not so long ago, CNN rejected running a Anti-War ad during Larry King Live. Their reason was that the network had a policy not to accept issue ads on regions in conflict. Now that sounds really nice, but mayby, it also has to do something with the fact that CNN already has invested quite a large amount of money in setting up a base in Baghdad, in the event there is a war. I reckon that somehow, CNN would like to gain that investment back.
Utinam logica falsa tuam philosophiam totam suffodiant!
JetService From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4798 posts, RR: 12
Reply 19, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2585 times:
Racko, you can relax. Jay Leno's show is a private entity. they can censor their material all they want. It fact, its their Constitutional right to do so. You need to understand that the Bill of rights applies to the government. The government can't tell Leno he can't show it. THAT would be censorship. If the decision comes from the producers or whomever related to the show, then its nothing but a business decision. Again, its their right. You obviously don't like the decision. Well, tough; its a free country.
Alpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2552 times:
Again, Airplay, there is no law against this. Why can't you figure that out. NBC is a private company, and censorship, if you want to call it that, is perfectly legal. They censor their programs for airing, and this is no different. It's a non-story, except to ardent ones like you that simply can't stand the U.S.
Again, you are piss poor in your knowlegde of the U.S, or how it works. If what you say is true, we wouldn't have seen any news on the anti war protests, is that not correct? If what you say is true, then there would be no reporting on the bickering in the UN, or in NATO, would there?
Again, you don't know what you talk of. But do keep it up, it is entertaining enough to see you make a fool of yourself.
L-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29690 posts, RR: 59
Reply 22, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2558 times:
FEDERAL COMMUNICATIONS COMMISSION v. PACIFICA FOUNDATION, 438 U.S. 726, 98 S.Ct. 3026 (1978).
This the the famouse George Carlin case that established the FCC's right to regulate profanity on public airwaves.....which NBC and all radio and television transmit on. I would have to have to read the opinion but I put money down that the opinion isn't limited to english versions of the words.
There could be some pretty hefty fines comming down for either NBC or more appropriatly the band if they pulled a fast one on NBC for this. If they chose to pursue it.
The videotape doesn't lie.
OBAMA-WORST PRESIDENT EVER....Even SKOORB would be better.
737doctor From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 1332 posts, RR: 40
Reply 23, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2544 times:
Schoenorama, what in the heck are you spouting off about now?
I see more news stories about anti-war demonstrations and people speaking out publicly against the war than pro-war stories. The media in the United States has a decided liberal slant if anything. Once again, you're talking about things of which you have no concept.
Delta-flyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 2676 posts, RR: 7
Reply 24, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2527 times:
I don't think anybody should be told what to say or not to say, no matter what kind of show they're in.....
....but my point is that the only opinions that seem to be 'censored' are those against a war on Iraq.
Gentlemen, whoever pays for the microphone can damn well dictate what can be said or not. If these people would like to express themselves, they can get their own media, or find one that is sympathetic to their cause.
: Obviously it's easier for these two to formulate an opinion on war than it is to formulate their own songs! Very funny! How true. As much as I like th
: Again, you don't know what you talk of. But do keep it up, it is entertaining enough to see you make a fool of yourself. There's an example right ther
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: My bet is that they are currently under a gag order that was issued by the government, executed by the network heads and trickled down to shows like L
: ROTFLMAO. And you live in Canada, just north of here? And you REALLY BELIEVE THIS? HAHAHAHAHA!! Airplay, you look more foolish by the minute! It's rea
: This threat needs to be locked. I see the word ХУЙ (FUCK) on the picture. I'm offended
: Airplay, you have some serious anger problems. I am yet to meet a single person in the US that has any kind of sincere dislike for canada. Yes we make
: Freedom of Speech only covers you in terms of dealing with the Government and public protesting. You cannot go around your work place (or Muscians mak
: This is not a case of free speech being violated nor is it a case of censorship. A talkshow books individuals or groups for a specific reason (i.e. mu
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: Simple math. How many people watch Leno? How many people watch the news? Simple common sense (which you seem to lack): Leno isn't a forum for politica
: To 737doctor: "Thank goodness we have a president with the courage to protect our country." So says former Tennessee senator and Law & Order actor Fre
: Airplay, you have some serious anger problems. I am yet to meet a single person in the US that has any kind of sincere dislike for canada. Who's talki
: I realise the government in this country has the capability to steer content. They do it indirectly. By this I mean that the staff of the Leno show ce
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: Tst tsk...how nice it must be to be so young, and innocent....and oblivious. I see you've gone to the ADG School of Debating: when you can't, or won't
: Geez guys, come on, engage brains please. They weren't allowed to say ANYTHING about Iraq - i.e. 'Attack Iraq' or 'Leave Iraq alone'. This is probably
: I see you've gone to the ADG School of Debating: when you can't, or won't, answer a qestion put to you, stoop to idiocy like what you just wrote. Why
: wow..that's pretty sickening. don't you think someone would ask what the shirts meant?