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Observer: US Dirty Tricks To Win Vote On Iraq War  
User currently offlineRacko From Germany, joined Nov 2001, 4857 posts, RR: 20
Posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 3574 times:

Frigthening, indeed...

http://www.observer.co.uk/iraq/story/0,12239,905936,00.html

Seems like the Bush administration is willing to do anything to get their war...

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User currently offlineFlying Belgian From Belgium, joined Jun 2001, 2396 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 3537 times:
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That's just the way USA considers a democratic vote !!

Are you all surprised ???

I'm not.



FB.



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User currently offlineKLAX From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 3531 times:

It is exactly this "War at all costs" attitude that is so damned retarded. What happened to pragmatism and patience?

-Clovis


User currently offlineIlyushin96M From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 2609 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 3533 times:

This is not the least bit surprising to me. It's just another aspect of how the current corrupt, dispicable administration operates here in the US. Let's hope 2004 brings some serious changes.

User currently offlineJetService From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4798 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 3506 times:

Anyone notice something funny about the memo? Who's dirty trick is this anway?


"Shaddap you!"
User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 3497 times:

JetService, it's a "dirty trick" to find out all you can before a big vote in the UN Security Council. After all, the other country's wouldn't DARE do such a thing, would they? Right.

It's only a dirty trick to those who think embarrasing the U.S., whether deserved or not (aka, Roy), is the shiek thing to do these days.


User currently offlineJetService From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4798 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 3486 times:

Alpha 1, I'm more concerned with the content of the memo being littered with Brithish-style english. 'favourable', 'recognise', 'emphasise', a European timestamp on the 'email'. Looks like someone's trying to frame someone else.



"Shaddap you!"
User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 3483 times:

The only surprise here is that it is a surprise to some people. Are you naive or what? National intelligence services have been reading (or trying to read) other nations' mail, conversations, diplomatic traffic, etc. for hundreds of years.

Charles


User currently offlineToner From United States of America, joined Feb 2003, 268 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 3475 times:

Nothing new.

"Remember The Maine!"
We blamed Spain on this. The USS Maine was blown up internally.

"Remember Pearl Harbor!"

FDR knew it was coming.
http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/6315/pearl.html

We would have had to fight Japan eventually, but why loose half the Pacific Fleet?

Tonkin Gulf - LBJ pulled a fast one.


"Remember 9-11!"
Now, Afghanistan and Iraq. Neither had anything to do with 9-11.
C'est la guerre.


Smedley Butler on Interventionism

-- Excerpt from a speech delivered in 1933, by Major General Smedley Butler, USMC.

War is just a racket. A racket is best described, I believe, as something that is not what it seems to the majority of
people. Only a small inside group knows what it is about. It is conducted for the benefit of the very few at the
expense of the masses.

I believe in adequate defense at the coastline and nothing else. If a nation comes over here to fight, then we'll fight.
The trouble with America is that when the dollar only earns 6 percent over here, then it gets restless and goes
overseas to get 100 percent. Then the flag follows the dollar and the soldiers follow the flag.

I wouldn't go to war again as I have done to protect some lousy investment of the bankers. There are only two
things we should fight for. One is the defense of our homes and the other is the Bill of Rights. War for any other
reason is simply a racket.

There isn't a trick in the racketeering bag that the military gang is blind to. It has its "finger men" to point out
enemies, its "muscle men" to destroy enemies, its "brain men" to plan war preparations, and a "Big Boss"
Super-Nationalistic-Capitalism.

It may seem odd for me, a military man to adopt such a comparison. Truthfulness compels me to. I spent thirty-
three years and four months in active military service as a member of this country's most agile military force, the
Marine Corps. I served in all commissioned ranks from Second Lieutenant to Major-General. And during that
period, I spent most of my time being a high class muscle- man for Big Business, for Wall Street and for the
Bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism.

I suspected I was just part of a racket at the time. Now I am sure of it. Like all the members of the military
profession, I never had a thought of my own until I left the service. My mental faculties remained in suspended
animation while I obeyed the orders of higher-ups. This is typical with everyone in the military service.

I helped make Mexico, especially Tampico, safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba
a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen
Central American republics for the benefits of Wall Street. The record of racketeering is long. I helped purify
Nicaragua for the international banking house of Brown Brothers in 1909-1912 (where have I heard that name
before?). I brought light to the Dominican Republic for American sugar interests in 1916. In China I helped to see
to it that Standard Oil went its way unmolested.

During those years, I had, as the boys in the back room would say, a swell racket. Looking back on it, I feel that I
could have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I
operated on three continents.










User currently offlineTbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7013 posts, RR: 26
Reply 9, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 3455 times:

OMG, are you guys kidding? You will believe anything wont you. So naive, as long as it sheds a negative light on the United States, you'll jump all over it like a pack of drooling hound dogs.

This is from the same website that has this "news" as drivel as well:

http://www.observer.co.uk/iraq/story/0,12239,896778,00.html



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User currently offlineOO-AOG From Switzerland, joined Dec 2000, 1426 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3428 times:

That was so obvious anyway. You can already guess that billions of USD will be offered to all those smaller countries in order to get their vote. Once again, the domestic democracy of the United States is very different than their dictatorship on the international scene. Once again, congratulations to Turkey who has refused the money and has preferred to listen to their population.


Falcon....like a limo but with wings
User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3413 times:

Once again, congratulations to Turkey who has refused the money and has preferred to listen to their population.

We'll see how grateful the population is, OO-AOG, when the Turkish economy go belly-up, which it just might without this aid.

Plus, you can say "adios" to Turkey ever getting in the EU. They won't be able to shore up their economy as well, and they may have lost the backing of the one party that tried last year to get them in the EU.

Sometimes, OO-AOG, the people don't know shit. In this case, this is obviously true.


User currently offlineOO-AOG From Switzerland, joined Dec 2000, 1426 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3399 times:

Some people might be more interested to not support the rogue behavior of a country willing to start an unnecessary war rather than improve their own economy Alpha1. I would personally refuse a gift of 1 million USD (even if I agree, it would improve my own "economy") if I have to do something that I feel WRONG as a payback.




Falcon....like a limo but with wings
User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3399 times:

Some people might be more interested to not support the rogue behavior of a country willing to start an unnecessary war rather than improve their own economy Alpha1.

Then their raving idiots, OO-AOG. To cut off your nose to spite your face is idiotic. Maybe you think it's a grand thing, but when Turkey is in a deep recession or a depression, how grand will it look then?


User currently offlineNASA737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3382 times:

Alpha 1, I'm more concerned with the content of the memo being littered with Brithish-style english. 'favourable', 'recognise', 'emphasise', a European timestamp on the 'email'. Looks like someone's trying to frame someone else.

here's the response from the paper:

This email was originally transcribed with English spellings standardised for a British audience. Following enquiries about this, we have reverted to the original US-spelling as in the document leaked to The Observer.

I don't know whether to believe it or not.


User currently offlineToner From United States of America, joined Feb 2003, 268 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3394 times:

Do a search on Ahmed Chalibi. He's a crook. Faces 22 years in jail in Jordan for swindling millions from his bank.

We're asking for trouble if we go in.


User currently offlineOO-AOG From Switzerland, joined Dec 2000, 1426 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3384 times:

Money, money, money, it's all about money with you guys. Can't you think a step further? Humanism maybe? .... no, of course not, you can't understand that a poor country has refused your billions huh? Maybe the day when you will understand WHY, the anti-americanism will be history believe me Alpha1.  Wink/being sarcastic


Falcon....like a limo but with wings
User currently offlineDelta-flyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 2676 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3383 times:

I guess you guys all accept this story to be true. Also, you keep talking about a war. Show me the war! Thus far, the threat of war is making Saddam "sort of" cooperate with the UN -- which is a damn sight more than he would be doing had we gone along with France, Germany, etc.

Please stick to facts!!!!

Pete


User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3383 times:

You live in a utopian, fantasy, OO-AOG. All these brave words don't mean shit when your economy is face down in the gutter, does it?

User currently offlineOO-AOG From Switzerland, joined Dec 2000, 1426 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3382 times:

No Alpha1, you and your country are living in an utopian and fantasy, but, just like Michael Jackson, you have the money and the power to realize your terrible dreams.


Falcon....like a limo but with wings
User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3373 times:

OO-AOG, you're sounding more like Indianguy all the time! Congratulations.

Again, when Turkey's people are suffering because their economy has collapesed, let's see how much weight your fine and noble words mean.

In a truly utopian world, maybe what you say would be true. But in a world of stark, cold reality, Turkey made the wrong move, in my view.


User currently offlineOO-AOG From Switzerland, joined Dec 2000, 1426 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3378 times:

OO-AOG, you're sounding more like Indian's all the time! Congratulations

What is that for another clever personal attack Alpha1?!, I suppose, but correct me if I'm wrong, that on Bush's intelligent scale, IndianGuy and I are "Evil" and because there's only 2 possibilities ("Evil" and "Good"), anyone against US government will be "sounding" like Indianguy and permanent members of the Axe of Evil "private club"... Correct?  Big thumbs up



Falcon....like a limo but with wings
User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3371 times:

Couldn't have said it better myself, OO-AOG!  Big thumbs up

User currently offlineOO-AOG From Switzerland, joined Dec 2000, 1426 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3359 times:

Alpha1.... LOL  Big thumbs up

Cheers
 Acting devilish Acting devilish-A Acting devilishG



Falcon....like a limo but with wings
User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3357 times:

Actually, OO-AOG, I do not put you in the same category as Roy. Roy has a deep, visceral hatred of the United States. It goes way beyond George Bush. It is a hatred of our people; or our traditions; or our strength; of our wealth; or our way of life. All he advocates on here are things that would harm or humiliate the United States. He's quite consistent in that regard.

I don't agree with you on the Turkey stance,but you're far, far from being in such lofty, ahem, company.  Smile


25 Indianguy : Actually, OO-AOG, I do not put you in the same category as Roy. Roy has a deep, visceral hatred of the United States. It goes way beyond George Bush.
26 L-188 : Sorry Roy. But Alpha1 has you pretty well sized up. If there is anyone on this site with a closed mind about the US....It is you. Oh and Roy. Don't co
27 Docpepz : HI guys, I've been reading with interest all your comments on this whole Iraq issue. I guess I'm a neutral bystander..... There's this great amount of
28 NASA737 : Wow! That's alot of numbers. Let me just point out 1 inconsistency. I was told that the US had over 35,000 war heads.
29 Post contains images Cfalk : Docpepz I was going to point out a lot of wrong and misleading info in your post. But then I saw it was a joke, as some of your points are quite funny
30 Docpepz : CHarles, Oh please don't give me the credit! As I said I received that in my email and I just copied and pasted it here. Just want all your opinions o
31 Post contains images Ovelix : Or, as GWB has repeatedly said in his speeches: "We are the greatest nation, full of the finest people on the face of the Earth. May God bless, God bl
32 Post contains images Cfalk : Ok, here's a little list 2. Q: What percentage of the world's wealth does the U.S. have? A: 50% This appears to be some kind of criticism at the U.S.
33 737doctor : Let me make a much shorter list: 1. Isn't the Guardian the British equivalent of the National Enquirer? 2. Docpepz, don't you know that when you post
34 Docpepz : Thanks Charles for taking the time to respond to the "crap" I posted. It's greatly appreciated! As I said, I'm not very well informed on this issue an
35 L-188 : 38. Q: Who said that by December 1998, "Iraq had in fact, been disarmed to a level unprecedented in modern history." A: Scott Ritter, UNSCOM chief Sco
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