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User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (11 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1228 times:

I was just wondering about the move towards a tighter political union between the EU countries, in particular the efforts towards a common foreign policy. I'm not sure if they will agree on this in the next decade or so, but what happens if they do it?

Have they discussed with the UN about reducing their representation from 20+ countries (and votes) to a single one? How about the security council? Would other countries force the UN to reduce the EU's representation? What about embassies - will there be just a single EU embassy in the capitols of the world? Any other such issues?

Charles

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User currently offlineArsenal@LHR From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 7792 posts, RR: 20
Reply 1, posted (11 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1190 times:
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To cut the story short, there will never be a EU "common foreign policy". Just look at the current Iraq situation. And how can you ever have a common foreign policy among 15 different sovereign nations each with their own vested interests who will no doubt look after their interest before the EU.

This is something the bureacratics in Brussels need to understand, it's almost missle impossible.



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User currently offlineOO-AOG From Switzerland, joined Dec 2000, 1426 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (11 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1190 times:

When you take a look to the current situation, with 2 different groups lead by France and United Kingdom, I really can't imagine we're even close to work seriously on an united foreign policy.... Unfortunately. Shame we can't at least look more united.


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User currently offlineBoeing4ever From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (11 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1169 times:

How about the so-called genius Jacque Chirac calling Eastern European Countries (and future EU members) "not well brought up" and telling them to "shut up" for supporting the US call for war on Iraq. Don't get me wrong, I don't support a war, but I believe that countries can voice their opinions in the civilised manner. And Chirac undermined the anti-war effort.

These countries may now support Bush simply to spite France, whether or not war is even warranted. And lets not forget that these countries are bound to have an axe to grind when they join the EU. They could align with the UK and Spain to overthrow the French-German control of the EU. Chirac will find soon that his comments will come back to bite him in the ass.

His arrogance is unacceptable. Forget Saddam, the real regime-change needed is in France. He grossly misrepresented his country and worked against a unified Europe. He should apologize to Eastern Europe for his comments, or step down.

B4e-Forever New Frontiers


User currently offlineCyril B From France, joined Jun 2001, 396 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (11 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1158 times:

Boieng4ever: no need to comment your statement about Chirac, it is ridiculous. Anyway you can ask your brilliant president to bomb France...

The future 28-member UE (with Turkey) will remain banal a free trade area. A political union will not be possible with 28 different countries, especially with countries like the Turkey, the UK, Spain or others.

In a few years, I think a two-speed union will appear, with a political union between the six founding members of the EU (France, Germany, Italy, the Netherlands, Belgium and Luxembourg), as countries like France and Germany want to give the EU a political and diplomatic power.


User currently offlineGunFighter 6 From Netherlands, joined Jan 2001, 404 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (11 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1134 times:

I see it happen some day.
Call me a dreamer but i believe that one day European leaders will see the benefits it can have. Of course a lot still have to happen. See the euro as an example. First everyone said it would never work. And look now it works just fine.
And ofcourse not all countries would join right away. But eventually they will  Smile

Cheers.


User currently offlineOvelix From Greece, joined Aug 1999, 639 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (11 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1137 times:

Arsenal
Never say never.....

Boeing4ever. You obviously have a confused idea of politics in Europe. Stick to the manichaen logic your nation promotes and understands better.

European Union founders had vision. Perhaps the vision that the UK friends find ridiculous or not in accordance to their interests. And thirty or fifty years may be too small a time for thirty countries to finally accept the "common state" idea. It's up to them to decide it, up to them to implement it, up to them to make it work. That is, up to us, Europeans.

Cfalk
I am not sure about the UN or embassies issues. My guess is that it's very difficult for the nations to accept (even limited) concession of their powers to a higher political entity when everybody here knows and remembers that we fought many wars just to protect them.

On the other hand one could say that we fought and protected our national powers in order to preserve them and promote (or evolve them) to a new and higher idea of governing. That's exactly what EU tries to implement.

In 1950 the European Union was just an idea. In 2000 it was an economic reality. Maybe in 2050 the Union will be full and prosperous, with one President and a working representative parliament system.

People change, ideas evolve, solutions are reached. I have no idea what EU will be like in 50 years. But I am sure that we are in the correct path and, given that all of us have the freedom to decide and influence the decisions of our leaders, we will pave the path that will lead us to a real and large European nation.

Kostas


User currently offlineBoeing4ever From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 1114 times:

Boieng4ever: no need to comment your statement about Chirac, it is ridiculous. Anyway you can ask your brilliant president to bomb France...

Boeing4ever. You obviously have a confused idea of politics in Europe. Stick to the manichaen logic your nation promotes and understands better.


Uh-huh, and if Dubya told other countries to "shut up" the whole world would be in an uproar. Just goes to show how little respect Eastern Europe gets from its Western European peers. But you guys must be right  Insane those countries aren't well brought up and should shut up  Insane

B4e-Forever New Frontiers



User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21407 posts, RR: 54
Reply 8, posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 1091 times:

Boeing4ever: Uh-huh, and if Dubya told other countries to "shut up" the whole world would be in an uproar.

Dubya does indeed tell the entire planet basically that "resistance is futile".

And yes, the world is pretty much in an uproar.

None of that makes the tone of Chirac´s remark less childish, however, to be fair.  Wink/being sarcastic


To the point: No, in the short term I don´t see a formalized common foreign policy with one single embassy and the like. On the other hand, the current crisis has certainly made it obvious that a united approach will be essential if Europe was to acheive anything on the global stage. The absolutely devastating consequences of Britain´s kick in Europe´s groin right at the beginning can at least serve as a bad example, if nothing else...


User currently offlineJwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 18
Reply 9, posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1086 times:

Common EU foreign policy equals French and German foreign policy...

As long as the smaller states keep their veto right (which is under discussion by guess who...) that next step in the complete annexation of those smaller members shouldn't happen.



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User currently offlineDonder10 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 6659 posts, RR: 22
Reply 10, posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 1083 times:

Why was the EU originially set up?Partly to prevent another WW2 bloodshed.How do you do that?You brings country closer together on issues like trade.How do you do that?You set up a free trade area.

A common foreign policy is clearly not going to work especially when it seen by many as just an attempt to counter-act the US.The EU needs to clean itself up and consolidate before making any more progress once the latest 10 members join(of course if France doesn't veto their entry!).The British are always portrayed as anti the EU but it is not the Brits who disobey the EU the most(I believe it is Belgium)and further EU liberalisation is needed before anything else.


User currently offlineBoeing4ever From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1063 times:

Common EU foreign policy equals French and German foreign policy...

But who is dictating who's policy? Seems like France and Germany push THEIR agenda through while the rest of the EU is expected to fall into line, without even so much as a debate as to what that common policy should be. Chirac's comments seem to indicate this.

B4e-Forever New Frontiers

PS-what is the likelihood now of France vetoing the entry of the incoming 10 states?


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