Ryanb741 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2002, 3221 posts, RR: 16 Posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 727 times:
Most of you will be unaware that Thailand, in a bid to shake off its image of being a drug haven, has begun a massive crack-down on drugs, deploying an incredible 14,000 troops in the process. In the last 2 months 1500 drug dealers have been killed and the entire Burmese border has been sealed in a bid to stop drugs coming in.
Many people have complained at the heavy handed approach to drugs, and the high death toll of the dealers (a shoot on sight policy is effectively in force) but it is certainly working to eradicate the problem, so I grudgingly support it.
Whe else believes that such a heavy handed approach is the best way of ridding society of drugs?
I used to think the brain is the most fascinating part of my body. But, hey, who is telling me that?
Toner From United States of America, joined Feb 2003, 268 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 716 times:
Many wealthy families in the United States made their money trafficking in
drugs. Yale's "secretive Order of the Skull and Bones" was involved in the
Opium trade and founding family were the Russells. Samuel Russell
established "Russell and Company" in 1823 and acquired opium in Turkey,
smuggled it into China and in 1830 established the Perkins Opium syndicate
of Boston and Connecticut. Warren Delano Jr, grandfather of Franklin
Roosevelt was involved as were Coolidge, Perkins, Sturgis, Forbes and other
well known families.
The Order became prominent in the US and membership in the Order included
wealthy American families: Whitney, Taft, Bundy, Harriman, Weyerhauser,
Pinchot, Rockefeller, Goodyear, Lord, Whitney, Sloane, Simpon, Phelps,
Pillsbury, Perkins, Kellogg, Vanderbilt, Bush, and Lovett and the Order has
had a very close association with the U.S. Intelligence Community. The Bush
family was a member and George Bush was the Director of the CIA before he
became President. And, that same relationship exists with his son, the
current president Bush.
The Bayer Company also was a big player in opium and "Heroin" was a trade
name of the Bayer Company .
U.S. Intelligence can be traced back to Yale where the "Culper Ring" was
established secretly by George Washington to gather intelligence on the
British during the U.S. War of Independence.
Yale also established schools and hospitals in China and Mao Zedong was on
staff in 1903. US intelligence used this connection in China. The League of
Nations banned Heroin and Cocaine in the 20s and use increased but during
the war years "addiction" was practically eradicated.
Then things started to heat up in Indochina. The French controlled Vietnam,
Cambodia, Laos and Thailand and after the French defeat at Dien Bien Phu the
U.S. moved in. The French when there financed their covert intelligence with
you guessed it, opium. Maurice Belleux, who was the head of the French CIA,
called the SDECE confirmed this. He stated that French paratroopers would
collect raw opium and move it by French military aircraft to Saigon where it
was distributed by the Sino-Vietnamese Mafia. The Corsican crime syndicate
also shipped opium to Marseilles and refined it into Heroin from where it
was distributed to Europe and the U.S, to-wit: "The French Connection." Not
the first nor the last time the mafia and underworld has been in bed with
the French government - as it has with the U.S. government.
The secret wars in the region of Cambodia, Laos and Thailand continued after
the Vietnam War into the 80s. It was "off the books" and the CIAs secret hot
war using American soldiers, the air force and local tribesmen. Winning
militarily was never a U.S. objective, but the securing of the area's opium
trade and production was. What followed was an increase in heroin addiction
in the U.S. and Western Europe, not least of which were the heroin addicts
among U.S. troops who served in Vietnam. It is estimated also that one third
of all our combat troops were hooked on "China White," all of which is to
the discredit of the CIA.
In Laos, General Vang Pao, leader of the Meo tribesman fought the CIA's
secret war. He would collect raw opium in Northern Laos and transport it via
CIA's "Air America" to a U.S. complex at Long Thien - known as "Spook
Heaven" and "Alternate 20," where it was processed into white heroin. Vang
Pao had his own airline courtesy of the CIA known as "Air Opium," which
transported the heroin to Saigon [Ton Sohn Nut Air Base]. There part of the
opium was sold to hooked US servicemen and the Corsican syndicate shipped
the bulk to Marseilles and then to Cuba and Mafia boss Santos Trafficante
and from there on to the United States. Some heroin were sealed in body bags
of returning dead American soldiers.
After the invasion of Cambodia, a U.S. backed operation in 1970, another
pipeline was established. The Vietnamese navy operated the pipeline along
bases at Phnom Penh and the Mekong River. Up until U.S. withdrawal from
Vietnam, General Quang of South Vietnam, who was considered the biggest
player in this operation, fled and was relocated in Montreal, Canada by way
of Fort Chaffee in Arkansas courtesy of the CIA.
And, in 1973, President Nixon declared the "war on drugs." Nixon closed the
Turkish connection which had the effect of increasing demand from the Golden
Triangle of Southeast Asia [and especially Burma].
In Burma the opium production business was controlled by the CIA backed
warlord there, which by 1992, was 300,000 tons.
Now, Afghanistan leads Burma (Myanamar) because the USA kicked out the Taliban, which forbade the cultivation of poppies.
The so-called "war on drugs" is a charade of the U.S. government and it is
about money and influence.
Thai747 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 1999, 814 posts, RR: 15 Reply 4, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 689 times:
Until the government manages to eradicate the problem of corruption and the ever-so-common concept of tea money and cash under the table, they can do the heavy-handed crack down all they want and drug issues will still prevail in this country, the cash-loaded drugloards with connections in high places will still dispense their goods without any fear.
There were echoes down the corridor sometimes last year after the mysterious explosion of a Thai Airways 737-4D7 at Don Muang International that it was the work of druglords (after all, they said they found traces of C4 on the aircraft, and a few days later - nothing!). The PM's eldest son was an addict, which resulted in daddy's crack-down on druglords.
The policy was implemented sometime in 2000 (however, escalated) - last time I went home in x'mas of 2002 - drugs such as amphetamines, ecstasy, cocaine and cannabis were still openly available in bars loaded with foreign backpackers.