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Taliban Prisoners Beaten To Death At Camp Xray  
User currently offlineRyanb741 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2002, 3221 posts, RR: 16
Posted (11 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1976 times:

< http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,909164,00.html >

Now, although these guys aren't angels I cannot believe that they are being beaten to death. What kind of interrogation tactics are being used? I hope whoever is responsible will be brought to justice.


I used to think the brain is the most fascinating part of my body. But, hey, who is telling me that?
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User currently offlineSebolino From France, joined May 2001, 3681 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (11 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1961 times:

A new case for the war crimes tribunal ?

User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (11 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1959 times:

Nah, Sebollino, just two more cells to put bin Laden's sons in now.

User currently offlineSebolino From France, joined May 2001, 3681 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (11 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1953 times:

That's terrible Alpha-1. Terrible.

You seem to approve this kind of acts. The type of things Milosevic did during the Yugoslavian war, the type of things France did during the Algerian war, the type of things Nazis did during WW2.


User currently offlineJcs17 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 8065 posts, RR: 39
Reply 4, posted (11 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1952 times:

First of all, this was Bagram Air Base in Afghanistan, not camp X-Ray. Secondly, if you cared at all to read your own article you wouldve read this:

"One of the dead prisoners, known only as Dilawar, died as a result of "blunt force injuries to lower extremities complicating coronary artery disease", according to the death certificate signed by Major Elizabeth Rouse, a pathologist with the Washington-based Armed Forces Institute of Pathology, which operates under the auspices of the defence department. The dead man was aged 22 and was a farmer and part-time taxi-driver. He was said to have had an advanced heart condition and blocked arteries. "



America's chickens are coming home to rooooost!
User currently offlineN79969 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (11 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1949 times:

There is an ongoing homicide investigation by the military.

User currently offlineTbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7013 posts, RR: 26
Reply 6, posted (11 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1911 times:

Sebolino,

Do you feel any sympathy for these two?



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User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (11 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1905 times:

Sebollino, save your piousness for two human beings who deserve it. These scumbags don't. They had no reservations about murdering my countrymen, and I have absolutely no sympathy for them. None.

If you want to hold a candle-light vigil for them, I'm sure a few million Frenchmen will be happy to join you.


User currently offlineSonic From Lithuania, joined Jan 2000, 1670 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (11 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1893 times:

Alpha 1, oh yes they are scumbags just because they fought for their country? Would you think that if now Iraqis would capture American troops it would be right to beat them to death? BTW, Americans would be offensive force in this case, while Afghans defended their nation from invadors. Most of them had nothing to do with Al Quieda or terrorism. They were simple patriots, who tried to defend their country after it was attacked.

User currently offlinePacificjourney From New Zealand, joined Jul 2001, 2732 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (11 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1879 times:

2 less sand-niggers to lower your property taxes right Alf1, what could be wrong with that ?

Let's not bothersome things like trials and evidence and PUBLIC prosecutions stand in the way of a good blood-letting ... this way is much better !



" Help, help ... I'm being oppressed ... "
User currently offlineN79969 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (11 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1865 times:

PJ,

" less sand-niggers to lower your property taxes right Alf1,"

Are those your own feelings? If so, then say and don't fabricate that crap and impute it to anyone else. If you hate the US, then that's fine. But spare us the sanctimony.


User currently offlineManni From South Korea, joined Nov 2001, 4221 posts, RR: 22
Reply 11, posted (11 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1862 times:

allow me to go Off Topic for a minute...

'...right Alf1...'

I like these words, it reminds me on some sitcom shown on television several years ago. That one of a little brown animal from space. Somehow I must think of Alf sitting behind a PC every time I read Alpha1's post.  Big thumbs up



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User currently offlineScorpio From Belgium, joined Oct 2001, 5028 posts, RR: 44
Reply 12, posted (11 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1857 times:

Sebollino, save your piousness for two human beings who deserve it. These scumbags don't. They had no reservations about murdering my countrymen, and I have absolutely no sympathy for them. None.

These were prisoners, they had not yet been tried and thus had not yet been found guilty. It should therefore be PRESUMED that they were innocent, after all your justice system says that people are innocent until proven guilty.

This does not mean that I think these people actually WERE innocent, they very well could have been guilty. But I don't know that, and neither do you, which is why I find your post quite offensive for someone who supposedly is defending freedom. You are acting the exact opposite of what you preach. Torturing prisoners is wrong in any case, including this. No exceptions.


User currently offlinePacificjourney From New Zealand, joined Jul 2001, 2732 posts, RR: 8
Reply 13, posted (11 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1855 times:

N79969

So summarising the beliefs of others is not allowed on A.net ? Since when ? Just tell it as I see it so unless you have something to add ....

I LOVED that show with the Alien, he was nasty. "Go for it Willy"



" Help, help ... I'm being oppressed ... "
User currently offlineJetService From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4798 posts, RR: 11
Reply 14, posted (11 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1849 times:

"2 less sand-niggers to lower your property taxes right Alf1, what could be wrong with that ?"

I love idealists who think they have some sort of license to use derogatory remarks with impunity. Grow up.



"Shaddap you!"
User currently offlineN79969 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (11 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1842 times:

PJ,

Whose beliefs do you think you are summarising? I do not think you see anything about the United States beyond some hate-filled fantasy in your mind.


User currently offlinePacificjourney From New Zealand, joined Jul 2001, 2732 posts, RR: 8
Reply 16, posted (11 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1839 times:

I'm NO idealist.

Odd that you and others sholuld be so sensitive over a word yet have no problem with - even wish for - people being beaten, assaulted or even killed in your own prisons.

Stop hiding behind some bullshit morality over mere words and face the fact that were these middle-aged white guys then we wouldn't be having this conversation.



" Help, help ... I'm being oppressed ... "
User currently offlineN79969 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (11 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1831 times:

"Stop hiding behind some bullshit morality "

Are you talking to yourself? Do you see the staggering irony of you accusing anyone hiding behind bullshit morality? Do you realize that there is a thread cheering on the assault on John Walker Lindh? No probably not. Your contempt for the US is blinding.

"Odd that you and others sholuld be so sensitive over a word yet have no problem with "

What in the hell are you talking about? You are the first person here to use racial ephithets and now accuse others of using it"


User currently offlinePacificjourney From New Zealand, joined Jul 2001, 2732 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (11 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1829 times:

Yeah that's it ... I just hate the US.

One day that lame get-out-of-gaol-card is going to make me puke. Right now it just means you have no reasonable reply to what I have said.



" Help, help ... I'm being oppressed ... "
User currently offlineN79969 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (11 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1825 times:

Done puking?

Why should I provide a "reasonable" reply to baseless allegations of racism that you fabricated from thin air? No reasonable reply exists to the smoke you are putting out.

Look it is obvious you do not like my country. Fine. But spare me the pretense of objectivity. I freely admit my contempt for France.


User currently offlinePacificjourney From New Zealand, joined Jul 2001, 2732 posts, RR: 8
Reply 20, posted (11 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1814 times:

America ... France ... what have they to do with this ? Stop clouding the issue by making it an anti-american issue when it is simply one of right and wrong.

Alpha1 and others calmly wish death and misfortune on others whose only "crime" is that they have brown skins and speak Arabic or Urdu. As I have pointed out they have had no trial, there is no presentation of evidence. If they were white americans you would not so automatically trust your government to be so honest and fair (or perhaps you might).

yes, I have a problem with this weather it is America or Denmark. Don't you ?

Yes I have read that other thread and if you had done the same you would have seen my opinion stated on that one as well. I suggest you look again and read before writing.



" Help, help ... I'm being oppressed ... "
User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (11 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1813 times:

Alpha 1, you don't see how not having a public trial, and then being beaten to death, is a bad thing? However guilty of whatever crime the person is?

User currently offlineJetService From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4798 posts, RR: 11
Reply 22, posted (11 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1793 times:

Odd that you and others sholuld be so sensitive over a word yet have no problem with - even wish for - people being beaten, assaulted or even killed in your own prisons.

Stop hiding behind some bullshit morality over mere words and face the fact that were these middle-aged white guys then we wouldn't be having this conversation.


I'm not taking any morality issues with you. I just like to rag people like you who think their self-proclaimed righteous ideals allow them to say the same shit they constantly howl about others saying.

As for your white-guy comment; that's laughable. If McVeigh were alive and being raffled off for a carton of smokes to end up being some dirtbags pin-cushion, we'd be yukking up just the same. Sorry, race isn't trump. Try another card.



"Shaddap you!"
User currently offlinePacificjourney From New Zealand, joined Jul 2001, 2732 posts, RR: 8
Reply 23, posted (11 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1778 times:

If believing that people should have a trial and a public presentation of evidence (like Mr. McVeigh did) before arm-chair tough guys on sites like this wish bad things to happen to them then yes, guilty, I am a righteous idealist.


" Help, help ... I'm being oppressed ... "
User currently offlineJetService From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4798 posts, RR: 11
Reply 24, posted (11 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1773 times:

And that's OK Pacificjourney, I just disagree with your priorities, I guess. There are a lot more people on the list ahead of dirtbags to shed tears for.


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25 Pacificjourney : Like I said on the other thread, I'm not crying, just NOT cheering either.
26 Pilot1113 : I'm just waiting for someone to say that Mohammad Atta was simply misunderstood and what he did was an innocent mistake and should be forgiven. It was
27 Pacificjourney : How do you know he did all these things pilot1113, that's the point. I don't know if he did or didn't, do you ? You are willing to believe your govern
28 AA61hvy : I am not cheering, but was goes around comes around. All of these terrorists have something coming to them. I don't feel bad at all. It was bound to h
29 EGGD : "One of the dead prisoners, known only as Dilawar, died as a result of "blunt force injuries to lower extremities complicating coronary artery disease
30 N79969 : That is quite a delusion that you are in midst of, PJ. You must have switched from sake to shochu. Cheap shochu made in a tub. I really cannot address
31 Pilot1113 : >>How do you know he did all these things pilot1113, that's the point. I don't know if he did or didn't, do you ?
32 N79969 : I guess none of us witnessed the Germans gassing the Jews and Gypsies...so by PJ's logic they could have gassed themselves so the US could launch war
33 ADG : How can you make any comments on these "terrorists" at all? They 've not been charged with anything, there is no proof of their involvement in anythin
34 KLAX : I would expect this terrible incident is under investigation and those responsible to be brought to justice. That said, this isnt happening every day,
35 777236ER : and most of the prisoners are treated quite well. Missing out that pesky "fair trial" bit, of course...
36 Post contains images Donder10 : Trust you to nickpick 777236ER
37 Pilot1113 : >>Can we expect America to not complain if their soldiers become prisoners in Iraq and come under the same treatment?
38 ADG : Trust you to nickpick 777236ER LMFAO Iraq still has one of our airmen from the previous war. No doubt they have taken the time to try him in front of
39 GDB : If it was homicide, not smart, dead men do not give information.
40 Pilot1113 : >>A fact that America only decided a few months ago ....
41 NWA : Good, we should do that to all of them. they want to die, so if we eliminate them, there are fewer people we have to deal with in the future.
42 Alpha 1 : Alpha1 and others calmly wish death and misfortune on others whose only "crime" is that they have brown skins and speak Arabic or Urdu. Wrong, PJ. I c
43 B747forlife : Cry me a river, bleeding hearts. I have no sympathy for this man. If he was really doing Allah's work, then he is in paradise now. But, more likely, h
44 ADG : We haven't "decided" that. It's fact. For 10 years this guy has been held in Iraq, no doubt being tourtured. and for 11 of those ten years this man wa
45 GDB : Then there is those released from Cuba, some 70-something shepard, some other old men, people who happened to be in the wrong place when some US troop
46 Scorpio : Alpha 1, holier-than-thou pontificators on here: Scorpio, Sebollino, Sonic, ADG, and the other nauseating crowd who are so quick to defend these vile
47 777236ER : Cry me a river, bleeding hearts. I have no sympathy for this man. If he was really doing Allah's work, then he is in paradise now. But, more likely, h
48 ADG : Just goes to show how the US's high and mighty principles go out the window whenever it suits current public opinion. This is an excellent point. and
49 N79969 : "This "Americans are better than everyone else" attitude got very tiresome very quickly." Only surpassed by your ADG uber alles attitude that you cons
50 Post contains images LOT767-300ER : "These people are INNOCENT until they are proven guilty and yet you are prepared to torture and murder them based only upon the words of politicians a
51 L-188 : Being innocent and fighting with the guard are two different things. They have a right to protect themselves from the prisoners too. As mentioned both
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