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The Mystery Virus-a Wmd Attack?  
User currently offlineGo Canada! From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 2955 posts, RR: 11
Posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1039 times:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/2856163.stm

"Health authorities around the world are struggling to contain a mystery virus amid fears that it could be as lethal as the 1918 flu pandemic.

The virus is being spread throughout the world by air travellers, with cases reported in a dozen countries.

The World Health Organisation (WHO) issued a rare emergency warning over the weekend, declaring the virus "a worldwide health threat", and saying that cases had been reported on three continents."

does anyonew believe that this virus has the hallmakrs of something s bit darker, its very strange that a mystery virus crops up just as there is about to be war in iraq and with north korea carying on producing nuclear weapons.

im sure its nothing, but it wouldnt surprise me if this virus had sinister orgins.



It is amazing what can be accomplised when nobody takes the credit
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User currently offlineJwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 19
Reply 1, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1030 times:

While everything is possible, it's unlikely that any nationstate (let alone a private group) will have produced a completely new disease in secret and tested and deployed it without anyone finding out about it.

The 'sinister origins' are more likely to be someone getting stung by an insect in a jungle somewhere.
There's constantly new strains of diseases coming out of the jungle. Most are harmless or don't infect at all, but occasionally there's one that is effective.
Ebola and AIDS started that way, Ebola never got further because it was so effective (and limited in survivability to a narrow climate band as well).



I wish I were flying
User currently offlineSebolino From France, joined May 2001, 3675 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1025 times:

This new disease seems very dangerous, and could kill a large part of the world population if we don't find quickly a way to contain it (I'm serious).
This scenario has been described many times, even by scientists not only by film-makers (12 monkeys, ...).
If it was human-made, well, it was a big mistake.

By the way, I heard that it's still not known if it's a virus or a bactery.


User currently offlineRyanb741 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2002, 3221 posts, RR: 16
Reply 3, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1001 times:

Nah - this is nothing of the sort. It has killed only 10 people (of 500 reported cases) and is only fatal to the sick and infirm. It's just a bad flu, that's all.


I used to think the brain is the most fascinating part of my body. But, hey, who is telling me that?
User currently offlineDocpepz From Singapore, joined May 2001, 1968 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 990 times:

And it originated in Vietnam and spread to Hong Kong. The people who brought it all over the world were visitors to Hong Kong, who brought it to Singapore, Canada and possibly Taiwan. The Singapore doctor who treated one of the patients who contracted the disease in Hong Kong (and came back to SIN) went to New York for a conference but he is not known to have spread it to anyone there.

And thanks to Singapore Airlines - a member of star alliance - who flies their New York - SIN route through Frankfurt, the Singaporean doctor has contributed to the first known case in Europe.

I don't think its serious at all. People who've contracted this disease are mostly medical staff and their families who treated patients with the similar disease.


User currently offlineAOMlover From France, joined Jul 2001, 1301 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 966 times:

I have to say that I'm very worried, because I'm going to Shanghai with my family on April 13th. The travel costed 5,000 euros, and I hope we won't have to cancel this trip to China.

User currently offlineRyanb741 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2002, 3221 posts, RR: 16
Reply 6, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 964 times:

AOMlover - don't worry about this - it is just a severe flu. I am sure you will have a great time in Shanghai  Smile


I used to think the brain is the most fascinating part of my body. But, hey, who is telling me that?
User currently offlineAOMlover From France, joined Jul 2001, 1301 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 949 times:

Thank you Ryan.
The problem is that I don't know if you can recover when you're contamined.
I've not been on holiday with my family for a long time, and this travel i very important for me.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy


User currently offlineRyanb741 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2002, 3221 posts, RR: 16
Reply 8, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 944 times:

AOMlover - the disease has been fatal in 10 of 500 cases, and is life threatening only for the very young or very old (or those whose general health is very bad normally).

Obviously you should seek medical attention if you feel ill, but statistically you are more likely to die of flu that you catch in France in the 3 weeks before your holiday.

The flight to China via the Middle East is somewhat more concerning - I am flying LHR-BKK on Eva Air on the 3rd April and I am a bit concerned about the effects of the Iraq war on the flight, but in the last Gulf War or in the Afghanistan war there were no major incidents with airliners so everything should be fine.  Smile



I used to think the brain is the most fascinating part of my body. But, hey, who is telling me that?
User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13048 posts, RR: 78
Reply 9, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 927 times:

An understandable thought, but the flu pandemic in 1918 killed 40 million, similar outbreaks in 1957 and 1968 were more contained by medical advances, however we are way overdue a flu pandemic.
And air travel is much more extensive now, (the 1918 outbreak was spread by the masses of troops returning home from WW1).


User currently offlineDC-10 Levo From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 3432 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 924 times:

When I first heard about this, I thought nothing of it. It's getting much more serious now and lots of people are starting to get worried. I hope they find a vaccine for it quick!

DC-10


User currently offlineSonic From Lithuania, joined Jan 2000, 1670 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 912 times:

And I am flying to Hong Kong in April...

User currently offlineAvt007 From Canada, joined Jul 2000, 2132 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 910 times:

Just look at where the cases are, and you can tell it is natural. Who would attack Singapore, Hong Kong, Frankfurt?

User currently offlineRyanb741 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2002, 3221 posts, RR: 16
Reply 13, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 906 times:

And also, creating a virus that is deadly to the very old and infirm is hardly 'terror'. This is just a strong form of influenza, a virus which kills many people annually. I think we worry too much. Outbreak this ain't!


I used to think the brain is the most fascinating part of my body. But, hey, who is telling me that?
User currently offlineADG From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 897 times:

You do realise this happens every year?





ADG


User currently offlineJohnboy From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 2565 posts, RR: 7
Reply 15, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 872 times:

The World Health Organization doesn't issue emergency travel precautions every year though.

BTW, the Singaporean doctor is in his 30's (and for all you 15-19 year olds out there, here's a hint...that's not very old!).

As a nurse who would be on the front lines, I'm worried. Lots of people concerned at work too. Why? Because this is leading to ARDS (Acute Respiratory Distress Syndrome), and people with ARDS ALWAYS end up on ventilators for a long time unless they die first.



User currently offlineJohnboy From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 2565 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 869 times:

Another thought:

Ever wonder why these flu strains pop up more often than not in China?

Think ducks and pigs!


User currently offlineCloudy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 857 times:

Currently, the biggest threat from this is that every moron who gets flu or cold symptoms will go to the emergency room and want to be checked out if the media keeps on talking this up. This could put a strain on the healthcare system. If maybe 100-200 people died in the Anthrax attacks after 9-11, rather than just one or two, there could have been long lines in all the ER's across the US and Europe.

People's overreactions can at times be more dangerous than the threat itself.


User currently offlineSebolino From France, joined May 2001, 3675 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 842 times:

life threatening only for the very young or very old

??? I happen to have 2 kids, and one is 2. So you'll understand your post is a bit strange : only the very young and the very old ? ONLY ?


User currently offlineRyanb741 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2002, 3221 posts, RR: 16
Reply 19, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 840 times:

No but what I mean is that many viruses are particularly threatening for the young and old, whereas they aren't usually life threatening for healthy adults. So this isn't a deadly virus that is going to kill millions, it is a severe bug which, like many other bugs is a major threat to infants and the elderly. Many more young children and elderly people die of 'normal' viruses than healthy adults anyway.


I used to think the brain is the most fascinating part of my body. But, hey, who is telling me that?
User currently offlineSabena 690 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 839 times:

And thanks to Singapore Airlines - a member of star alliance - who flies their New York - SIN route through Frankfurt, the Singaporean doctor has contributed to the first known case in Europe.

It's Singapore Airlines LIMITED, when are you finally going to know it?  Wink/being sarcastic

Regards
Frederic


User currently offlineD-AIGW From Hong Kong, joined Jul 2001, 261 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 832 times:

From the news here in Hong Kong, the "non-typical pneumonia" (as it's what they call it here) originated from a 26-year-old man who came home (Hong Kong) from Shenzhen (China) and brought in the disease. Up to now in our territory there are 111 reported cases of infection, 17 of which are university students studying medicine (at Prince Wales Hospital, most probably from Chinese University of Hong Kong). Some are hospital staff, others are patients sharing the same ward. If I recall correctly, it's named SARS, standing for blah blah blah syndrome. I don't remember.

It has been reported that the disease is contagious at a radius of 3 feet (they say when people sneeze, the saliva can shoot to a maximum of 3 feet).

There're 2 people with SARS in the hospital just opposite to my apartment. The people here are totally paranoid, hospital staff and patients have been given masks, I can even see ordinary people wearing masks on the street. And no, the threat is not only to young and old, but to people of all ages. The trouble is that the virus/bacteria doesn't attack you immediately when you get infected; so, no one knows the exact number of infected people.

It's not necessarily an overreaction if the number of infected keeps increasing day by day. Yesterday there were only eighty something.


User currently offlineD-AIGW From Hong Kong, joined Jul 2001, 261 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 824 times:

The Accident & Emergency Unit of Prince Wales Hospital will be closed down for 3 days in the wake of the pneumonia. The closure will be extended indefinitely if the disease cannot be contained in time.

Now talk about paranoia...


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