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The $64,000 Question On Iraq  
User currently offlineMatt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 46
Posted (11 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1289 times:

Ok....it seems pretty clear that the war is now imminent.

I just have one question for all of you that are 1) opposed to the war and 2) in agreement that Saddam must go.


How do we get rid of him when 1) we cannot/should not use force and 2) he clearly will not step down voluntarily?

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User currently offlineAndreas From Germany, joined Oct 2001, 6104 posts, RR: 31
Reply 1, posted (11 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1274 times:

Now that's an easy one: We translate all Iraq-related threads into Arabian, especially the posts of those www-heroes like galaxy, apathoid, thumper etc. and broadcast it all over Iraq, 24-7...either he'll step down voluntarily and moves to America or he'll die laughing...mission accomplished...now send that money over!


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User currently offlineAirworthy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (11 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1268 times:

>>How do we get rid of him when 1) we cannot/should not use force and 2) he clearly will not step down voluntarily?<<

That's easy, put international diplomatic pressure on him to disarm, step up UN inspector roles, and continue the oil for food program.


User currently offlineBoeing757/767 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 2282 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (11 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1268 times:

Either that or make him watch reality TV shows all day. Arrgh!

Seriously, it would take time -- a combination of stepped-up inspections, continued sanctions/oil embargo and stepped-up no-fly zone patrols. It's not perfect, but I believe Iraq is being watched enough for him to think twice.



Free-thinking, left-leaning secularist
User currently offlineAndreas From Germany, joined Oct 2001, 6104 posts, RR: 31
Reply 4, posted (11 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1263 times:

Yes that would be the second-best solution, I'll split the 64 grand with you as soon as Matt forks the cash over!


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User currently offlineMD-90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 8507 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (11 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1249 times:

That's easy, put international diplomatic pressure on him to disarm, step up UN inspector roles, and continue the oil for food program.

a combination of stepped-up inspections, continued sanctions/oil embargo and stepped-up no-fly zone patrols.


That will never work. What international diplomatic pressure? The UN inspectors are seeing exactly what Saddam wants them to see and no more. The oil for food program is a joke. Saddam has 60 palaces and yet people don't want war even though there ARE starving children in Baghdad, unlike the US?

And who's hurt by the oil embargo and the sanctions? With 60 palaces, doesn't seem like Saddam is. And what good is it going to do to increase the no-fly zones? Make the Iraqis dependent on Land Cruisers and camals and forgo aircraft altogether.

Both of y'all need to come up with much better suggestions because what you've suggested won't work at all. It certainly hasn't for the last 12 years.


User currently offlineCPH-R From Denmark, joined May 2001, 6000 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (11 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1243 times:

Actually, I'm sure the US wouldn't mind tightening the oil embargo, seeing as they're the biggest importers of Iraqi oil.

User currently offlineIlyushin96M From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 2609 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (11 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1235 times:

Put Saddam and Bush on Jerry Springer and have them duke it out on live TV. Now THAT would be hillarious. Big grin Question is, would that get rid of Saddam??? I bet Springer's ratings would go up so high, he'd have to sign a contract.  Big grin

User currently offlineKROC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (11 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1229 times:

Actually, I'm sure the US wouldn't mind tightening the oil embargo, seeing as they're the biggest importers of Iraqi oil.

Where is your proof on this one CPH-R? Especially seeing as other nations like France and Germany (go figure) get much oil from Iraq.


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16870 posts, RR: 51
Reply 9, posted (11 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1219 times:

The US gets most of it's oil from Venezuela, Africa, Alaska, and Canada.

It's France and Germany who suck on Iraqs oil, that's why they are trying to protect their interests by being obstructionists.



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User currently offlineKROC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (11 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1218 times:

Thank you STT757. We get over 50% of our oil from Venezuela. We do get oil from the middle east, mostly Suadi Arabia and Kuwait and the like. The U.S. however is not the largest importer of Iraqi oil.

User currently offlineBen88 From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 1093 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (11 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1202 times:

The U.S. IS the number one importer of Iraqi oil.



http://truthout.org/docs_03/031603F.shtml



http://abcnews.go.com/sections/world/DailyNews/iraq010720_cooley.html



Just remember that a lot of crude goes to U.S. compaines through middlemen to avoid the U.N. oil for food program.


User currently offlineBen88 From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 1093 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (11 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1201 times:

KROC please provide your sources.

User currently offlineTWAL1011 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 206 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (11 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1197 times:

Ben88, I think he just said the sources are Venzuela, Saudi Arabia, and Kuwait.

[Edited 2003-03-17 20:55:10]

User currently offlineBen88 From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 1093 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (11 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1191 times:

TWAL1011 your post makes no sense.

KROC said "The U.S. however is not the largest importer of Iraqi oil. "



User currently offlineDaV From Italy, joined Jun 2001, 669 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (11 years 6 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 1145 times:

Saddam has 60 palaces and yet people don't want war even though there ARE starving children in Baghdad, unlike the US?

And a war would give them food?

DaV



Two monologues do not make a dialogue
User currently offlineMD-90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 8507 posts, RR: 12
Reply 16, posted (11 years 6 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 1134 times:

That truthout.com article says that the US gets only half of Iraq's oil, and that's only because of Chavez's idiotic policies that he's trying to ruin Venezuela with.

DaV, if Saddam was either desposed, killed, or exiled, the embargos against Iraq would drop, and a war (or the threat of war) would indirectly give them food.


User currently offlineSebolino From France, joined May 2001, 3681 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (11 years 6 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 1125 times:

You send UN soldiers in Iraq to prevent any killing and to contain Iraqi forces + inspectors to disarm + heavy diplomatic work to isolate Hussein from other Arabian countries + direct help to the population through international help association.



User currently offlineMaiznblu_757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5112 posts, RR: 50
Reply 18, posted (11 years 6 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 1106 times:

France is so against this war because they get most all their oil from Iraq. The US doesnt get very much from them. Hopefully that will change though in a few months.

User currently offlineDaV From Italy, joined Jun 2001, 669 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (11 years 6 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 1081 times:

DaV, if Saddam was either desposed, killed, or exiled, the embargos against Iraq would drop, and a war (or the threat of war) would indirectly give them food.

I don't think the same happened in Afghanistan, despite being now a "free" nation. I think we all agree that Saddam is a threat, but not for Americans or whoever, but for his people, and I highly doubt president Bush wants a war to save thousand of Irakis he doesn't care of. Your key argument is "if Saddam was either desposed, killed, or exiled", my question is, very simply, is necessary a war to achieve this result?

DaV



Two monologues do not make a dialogue
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