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The Nice Democracy Of The US...  
User currently offlineSabena 690 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 1488 times:

I just read a report about the nice democracy in the US.

Apparently, in the country where freedom of speech is holy, people are beaten and arrested by the police because they come up for their opinion.

Bush don't want to come on TV because he doesn't want that he is filmed with people shouting at him.

And this is the nice democracy they want to export and implement in countries like Iraq?

/Frederic

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User currently offlineToady From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 724 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 1452 times:

I wonder....... Were they arrested for having their own opinion, or maybe because they broke the law of the land?


User currently offlineKLAX From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 1445 times:

I just read a report about the nice democracy in the US.

Been reading "The Sun" eh Fred?

-Clovis


User currently offlineTechRep From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 1442 times:

Endless babble continues. You indicated in a previous thread your information doesn't come from TV or news apparently when it suits you it does. Ill bet your liberal professors are having a field day with Anti-US discussions.

TechRep



User currently offlineJ32driver From United States of America, joined May 2000, 399 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 1438 times:

If you commit a crime by trashing property, defacing store fronts, and assaulting police officers who try and stop you, then yes, you will be beaten, arrested, and Bubba is gonna have his way with ya in the drunk tank.

Sabena... you are TRULY out of touch. Everything you see is tinted by your hatred for the Bush administration. I'd be willing to bet that if someone vandalised property in Belgium they would be arrested. Why should it be different here?


User currently offlineN79969 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 1435 times:

Actually Freddy has done a class project which conclusively proves that the US media is biased...thus it must be fact. Plus a Belgian professor said so....it has to be true.



User currently offlineTechRep From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 1424 times:

I will like to see Iraqi citizens vandalizing Suddam effigies and I will think of Sabena690.

TechRep

"Professor, Will the Iraqi's welcome the American's like we did in WWI and WWII?"

Signed

Sabena690




User currently offlineRalgha From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 1614 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 1415 times:

You don't even live on the same continent as the U.S., and yet you think you're an expert on what goes on here? Some of those arrests were made in my hometown, and I tell you that I think they were needed.


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User currently offlineSabena 690 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 1412 times:

N79969,

This is an excellent posting of Hepkat about the media in the US, I quote:

I have to say that one of the first things I noticed after coming to Europe was that people here didn't seem to be living in fear, and that the media wasn't constantly showing doom and gloom stories such as they do in the U.S. When I talk to my family and friends back in the U.S., they basically tell me that people are scared. They're scared of every and anything. They don't know when the next terror attack is coming, they hear everyday about how vulnerable they are, about how in theory terrorists could do this and do that. I think this explains a lot of the hostility and anxiety to go to war that we currently see in the U.S. Everyone's afraid but they don't know what they're afraid of, and the Bush administration and the media keeps feeding this fear with propaganda designed to incite and worry. When I returned home the last time I couldn't believe what they were showing on the nightly news. There was zero international coverage but every 5 minutes you heard "what can you do to protect against the next terror attack?", "how vulnerable is your neigborhood to a terror attack", "how can you protect your home against a chemical attack", "a new report reveals that 63% of Americans are at risk for blah blah and blah" and so it went on all night. No wonder there's this illogical push for a war. People are genuinely afraid and are just DYING for peace of mind! In steps the Bush administration, who has been steering the object of that fear very succesfully for the past 2 years now. A year ago people were afraid of Osama and Al Qaeda. He has not been found, yet today, everyone's afraid of Sadam Hussein. Coincidence?

I realize that what I'm saying might be hard for many Americans to believe, but I think it's one of those things where you have to actually step out of the situation to fully see what's going on.


You indicated in a previous thread your information doesn't come from TV or news

When it goes about my view on the war, no. But when I open tv, and I see an oversight of all the protests worldwide, and they show that in Ameriqa, several protests were stopped by the police in a brutal way of acting, than I ask myself some questions about the democracy in the US.

I'd be willing to bet that if someone vandalised property in Belgium they would be arrested. Why should it be different here?

Maybe because those people were not vandalising, and only expressing their opinion?

Actually Freddy has done a class project which conclusively proves that the US media is biased...

Very true, I'm glad you finally admit it.

/Frederic


User currently offlineTechRep From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 1398 times:

The very fact that one can protest in the USA is all you need to know Sabena690. Ask your Professor if any Iraqi citizen can protest his government.

TechRep


User currently offlineN79969 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 1385 times:

Sabena 690,

"Very true, I'm glad you finally admit it."

Don't recognize sarcasm when you see it do you? You inability to distinguish fact from opinion is amazing for an adult.

America is a free country...but if you destroy property- you're going to jail. Perhaps the rabidly anti-American Belgian media only shows you arrests and not their property destruction.



User currently offlineSabena 690 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 1369 times:

Techrep,

Ask your professor what the dimension of this unilateral war is in the international politics.

I wonder how shocked you will be if he tells the truth.


User currently offlineJ32driver From United States of America, joined May 2000, 399 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 1364 times:

Sabena... wake up buddy... You don't get arrested for protesting in the USA. If you commit a crime while protesting you get arrested. As a matter of fact, Its common practice for protestors to TRY AND GET ARRESTED!! It makes for a better news story. Guess YOU BOUGHT IT... huh!

User currently offlineHkg82 From Hong Kong, joined Apr 2002, 1271 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 1378 times:

Sorry to go off topic, but while the US is probably the freest (if not one of the freest, certainly) country in the world when it comes to civil & political liberties, Hong Kong has been rated the world's freest economy every year since '95 by the Washington-based Heritage Foundation. What do you guys think of this? I personally don't take such surveys in very high regard, especially when they’ve rated Singapore no.2 every year since 1995.

I agree the fact that you can protest in the US says it all.

Hkg82.


User currently offlineSabena 690 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 1352 times:

Don't recognize sarcasm when you see it do you? You inability to distinguish fact from opinion is amazing for an adult.

Hahaha, the nice thing is that YOU don't see the sarcasm in what I wrote  Smile/happy/getting dizzy Your inability to distinguish fact from opinion is amazing for an adult!!!

You are so silent about what Hepkat wrote of the American media?

And you really think that all those protestors where damaging, vandalising etc? Maybe they were provocated by the police?


User currently offlineJ32driver From United States of America, joined May 2000, 399 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 1347 times:

Sabena... I'm sorry you can't see past the end of your nose.

User currently offlineSabena 690 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 1337 times:

J32driver, this is exactly what is said in Europe about the Americans  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

/Frederic


User currently offlineN79969 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 1336 times:

Sabena 690,

I have no comment on Hepkat's observation. It really does not add to your 'point.' What is your point again?

And you really think that all those protestors where damaging, vandalising etc? Maybe they were provocated by the police?"

Yes, absolutely.


User currently offlineLHMark From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 7255 posts, RR: 47
Reply 18, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 1330 times:

Sabena, you're just hypothesizing. It's poor logic to assume that, since the protesters were arrested, they were provoked by the police. It might sound like the preferred situation to suit your worldview, but that doesn't make it the truth.

In fact, protesters were warned in advance that bocking traffic in Times Square and on Market Street would result in their arrest (not necessarily their conviction). Protesters were mostly arrested for assault and trespassing. The police did not begin a battle on the streets of America in the hopes of arresting protesters. They would have gone home by 17:00, anyway.

P.S. How are things in Belgium? I used to live in Waterloo, and I miss the place.



"Sympathy is something that shouldn't be bestowed on the Yankees. Apparently it angers them." - Bob Feller
User currently offlineJ32driver From United States of America, joined May 2000, 399 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 1327 times:

Sabena... Have you ever spent much time in America? I'm truly curious. I certainly don't have any ill feelings for you, but I don't understand how anyone can truly beleive the stuff your posting here. Do you really think these people were arrested simply for protesting?

User currently offlineSabena 690 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 1320 times:

Yeah, and this justifies the arrogant way of arresting them (beat them etc).

Everything is fine in Belgium: our leaders use their brains, nice anti-war protests, the weather is fine, and we have analysts with a good historical knowledge that hit the ball right when it comes to Iraq! What do you want more?  Smile/happy/getting dizzy


User currently offlineN79969 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 1312 times:

Funny that your people with historical knowledge don't remember much about Hitler, appeasement, and so on. Perhaps they are reassesing their options in the Congo since you guys did such fine work there.

User currently offlineLHMark From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 7255 posts, RR: 47
Reply 22, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 1310 times:

Funny you mention the beating. I was watching video of demonstrations from Cairo, Sana'a, South Korea, the US, and Paris. In every case, the police were swinging their tricks. I guess that's the best crowd control tactic when you're outnumbered 100:1

All this talk of Belgium is making me want a Stella.



"Sympathy is something that shouldn't be bestowed on the Yankees. Apparently it angers them." - Bob Feller
User currently offlineSabena 690 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 1302 times:

Look, we have some experience here in Belgium with how you have to keep protests under control, and from what I saw, this was a preventif arrest.

The US likes to act preventif these days  Smile/happy/getting dizzy



User currently offlineJ32driver From United States of America, joined May 2000, 399 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 1297 times:

Sabena... Not a single American in this post have said... yep, your right, they were arrested because they protested.

Maybe that should tell you something.

Again... DO YOU REALLY BELIEVE THESE PEOPLE WERE ARRESTED SIMPLY FOR PROTESTING?


25 Erj190 : Get serious people. If there was no property destruction you people would get any other argument. For your information in a dictatorship it is writte
26 Eric505 : I'll say it again: get a life. Go worry about something else. Nobody cares about what you post anyway as it always has the same anti-American slant.
27 LHMark : I only saw part of what was going on, as well, but i saw a very different picture. Without the full story, I'm going to assume the more logical of the
28 Sabena 690 : N79969, you start about Congo. Do I have to start about all what the US did wrong in the past? Forgotten what they have done in the periods of the imp
29 Post contains images KLAX : preventive* Fred, you have zilch knowledge of the United States, its people, and its laws. So I suggest you shut-your-yapper and whine somewhere else.
30 JetService : Erj190, you don't get it. Protesting is LEGAL in the USA, but blocking streets while protesting is ILLEGAL because blocking streets is ILLEGAL. Got it
31 N79969 : Sabena 690, Sorry to burst your bubble but contrary to what Professor Ass Clown says on the matter, the US is not a colonialist/imperialist. Though we
32 Sabena 690 : No expert, but I have at least an objective view. And have you forgotten what America did in Asia while Belgium was in Congo? Oh yeah, you will not li
33 J32driver : Sabena... You started this thread, now answer the question. Do you really think these people were arrested JUST for protesting? You seem to be avoidin
34 N79969 : Sabena 690, You are so far from being objective that you are beyond hope. What is it that the US did in Asia...oh yeah, our military presence keeps ol
35 JetService : J32driver, I wouldn't count on an answer. The guy throws stink-bombs and runs. If pressed hard enough, the best you can get is him trying to change th
36 N202PA : I'd also like to add a rider on J32's question for Sabena...If someone is blocking the street in an act of protest (and thus, in violation of the loca
37 J32driver : Jetservice....I figured as much. I just enjoy making things like that VERY evedint.
38 Sabena 690 : N79969, to keep it simple: After the Crash of Wall Street, Germany was almost a third world country because the US investors had taken their money bac
39 Airbusluver : Wow Sabena 690- It takes REAL skill to try and blame the temporary success of Hitler on the US. Maybe you forget that if the US had not stepped in, Hi
40 Post contains images Sabena 690 : I see that there is something wrong with the archiving of this thread? Anyway, this permits me to answer the question of J32driver: short answer, YES,
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