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User currently offlineAIR757200 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1579 posts, RR: 7
Posted (11 years 6 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1737 times:


http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/03/21/sprj.irq.safwan/index.html

I just wanted to post this. I was watching the news this morning and almost got tears from seeing that photo of the US Soldiers giving water to an Iraqi soldier who had surrendered. I want to find that photo. If anyone comes across it, please provide a link.



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User currently offlineMirrodie From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 7443 posts, RR: 62
Reply 1, posted (11 years 6 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1689 times:
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Yeah, let's just hope our troops don't eat their food or drink their water.

World War II has documented evidence of clandestine pro-Nazi families that "welcomed" allied troops and poisoned them.



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User currently offlineTWAL1011 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 206 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (11 years 6 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1664 times:

Here's that picture:




User currently offlineManni From South Korea, joined Nov 2001, 4221 posts, RR: 22
Reply 3, posted (11 years 6 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1653 times:

It's called war propaganda keep on crying AIR757200, there's nothing to be proud about.


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User currently offlineTechRep From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (11 years 6 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1641 times:

Manni,

Wrong it is an honored tradition for a soldier to offer an enemy soldier his canteen, when that soldier is injured or famished. This is just basic human compassion.

TechRep


User currently offlineNWA742 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (11 years 6 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1638 times:

It's called war propaganda keep on crying AIR757200, there's nothing to be proud about.

That's not propaganda, that actually happened and it was captured on tape. The media has not said anything else other than what happened in that small town, so don't give me that BS Manni.




-NWA742


User currently offlineCwapilot From United States of America, joined May 2000, 1166 posts, RR: 17
Reply 6, posted (11 years 6 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1635 times:

TechRep....I admire your persistence in educating the ignorant...i have added you to my respected list. However,, we can only do so much. Some have proven beyond help. THe will look to find anything negative in anything that comes from this war, notwithstanding the benefits to the Iraqi people.



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User currently offlineTechRep From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (11 years 6 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1633 times:

Again I am honored.

TechRep


User currently offlineKLAX From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (11 years 6 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1629 times:

This forum is full of hopeless souls...lost in their hatred of the United States, blinded by popular opinion...

-Clovis


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29799 posts, RR: 58
Reply 9, posted (11 years 6 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1626 times:

Apparently it is also propaganda to show a US Marine treating civilians who where caught in the crossfire.




Apparently is also propaganda to show Iraqi Troops surrendering.





Apparently it is also propaganda to have the media show a wonded Jarhead being carried off the field by a buddy.





Apparently it is propaganda to show US Marines tearing down false idols of Saddam



It must definatly be propagands to show Americans befriending children they encounter on their run in to Bagdad.









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User currently offlineFlyboy36y From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3039 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (11 years 6 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1624 times:

People hate the US because they take us for granted. Without us there would have to start criticizing their own gov'ts...

User currently offlineKLAX From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (11 years 6 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1604 times:

Great pictures L-188. War time propaganda at its best eh?  Yeah sure Yep, thats the good ol' US of A, we're even worse then Hitler and Stalin rolled into one! Big grin

-Clovis


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29799 posts, RR: 58
Reply 12, posted (11 years 6 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1591 times:

A word about American military strength and propaganda.

It isn't propaganda if it is true.






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User currently offlineADG From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (11 years 6 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1586 times:

That's not propaganda, that actually happened and it was captured on tape.

Proof? It certainly looks like a photographic image to me (looking at it on the media image distribution sites)

Without us there would have to start criticizing their own gov'ts...

Flyboy .. If you had thought abuot that BEFORE you'd posted it you'd realise that we criticise our own governments just fine thank you ...

All: for all your bitching about the attitudes of others, take a look at your own attitudes. Some of you are so narrowminded and arrogant and so full of your own self imporance that you're wandering around these forums abusing all and sundry, arguing about statements others haven't even made. This is the attitude that people are complaining about, this aggressive anti-rest of the world atttide that leads to such loathing from others.

It's gone past the point of being funny, now it is just stupid.





ADG


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29799 posts, RR: 58
Reply 14, posted (11 years 6 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1580 times:

Propaganda is what the Iraqi Information Minister is putting out. I wonder why he is the only member of the leadership that has been seen in public lately.

http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/03/22/sprj.irq.war.casualties/index.html

He is reaching though.

A couple of Gems from him.


"We have calculated in a small area of Baghdad, 19 missiles fell. I went there and saw parts of these missiles -- 19 missiles in a very small area," he said. "Therefore I expect tons of missiles have been shot down by the Iraqis."

Iraq's information minister also said the United States is so desperate to show progress that it "kidnapped" thousands of Iraqi civilians and forced them to dress up like soldiers, pretending to surrender to coalition forces in the oil-rich Faw peninsula of southern Iraq.






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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29799 posts, RR: 58
Reply 15, posted (11 years 6 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 1577 times:

The other thing about the Iraqi Propaganda machine is that it isn't really that good.

During the first Gulf war they had this broad transmitting propaganda to our troops who was dubbed, "Baghdad Betty". Much in the same spirit at Tokyo Rose of World War II.

Anyway one day she announced to all the troops that they needed to go home right way because in their absence all of their wives and girlfriends where being unfaithful.

She said that all of the wives and girlfriends where having affairs with Tom Selleck and Bart Simpson...





AYE CARAMBA!!!




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User currently offlineVoodoo From Niue, joined Mar 2001, 2074 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (11 years 6 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 1564 times:

KLAX wrote:This forum is full of hopeless souls...lost in their hatred of the United States, blinded by popular opinion...
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Yup, thats just this forum, so you you can imagine the effect world-wide. As with Vietnam re: the War on Communism, the way the Bushies are conducting the War on Terror, its only a matter of time before anti-US terrorists are no longer necessarily Middle Eastern... and we get new versions of Bader Meinhof, Brigada Rosa, Symbionese Liberation Army (note how many were arrested in SFO the other day).



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User currently offlineOO-AOG From Switzerland, joined Dec 2000, 1426 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (11 years 6 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 1565 times:

That's not propaganda, that actually happened and it was captured on tape. The media has not said anything else other than what happened in that small town, so don't give me that BS Manni.

Horrible things has/will happen for sure, I wonder if someone will be there to "tape" this as well. If you give only positive images to population, the war will look as a good thing. This is probably what Manni called propaganda, and he's right, because propaganda is mandatory in a war. Don't expect to see dead civilians or US Marines on CNN. Nobody will be there to "tape" them even if it's one aspect of the war that will happen for sure.
Indeed Iraqi villagers welcome US troops, and it's a good thing. Will they say, "welcome and Good-Bye" or "Welcome and please stay at home" is another question....







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User currently offlineSabena 690 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (11 years 6 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 1557 times:

Well said OO-AOG, ADG and Manni.

They will of course not show the angry people and the anti americans. CENSORSHIP!


User currently offlineCPH-R From Denmark, joined May 2001, 5999 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (11 years 6 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 1550 times:

I thoguht we had already agreed that it was the anti-Saddam areas that were being liberated, which would explain the reactions showed above.

In case you haven't seen any negative images from the war, allow me to share:


By the way, how's the Turkish army doing up north. Last time I checked, the Turks weren't very happy with the local Kurdish population.


User currently offlineManni From South Korea, joined Nov 2001, 4221 posts, RR: 22
Reply 20, posted (11 years 6 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 1540 times:

Killing the innocent on one hand and given water to the wounded on the other hand, how hypocrite.

BTW, all these wheeping warmongers here, did you also let your tears stroll down for those killed by the hand that gave the soldier on the picture water?



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User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 21, posted (11 years 6 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 1535 times:

Of course the US puts out propaganda, why wouldn't it? The UK will do the same. It is obvious that anyone in this situation will try to ensure that the coverage puts them in the best possible light, but that doesn't alter anything.

Just be cautious as to why certain things are shown, that's all. Don't be naiive about it, the battle for hearts and minds is on, and it is a battle that the US/UK/Australian forces need to win - I don't see a need to either deny it, or be defensive about it.

I don't doubt for a moment that the things shown in the photographs above are happening. Nor would I doubt that the allied forces would do anything other than treat prisoners and civilians with the utmost decency, whether or not cameras are on them, but sending this kind of thing back will undoubtedly aid the cause in the PR stakes.



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User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (11 years 6 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 1520 times:

Proof? It certainly looks like a photographic image to me (looking at it on the media image distribution sites)

The "proof" ADG is right before your friggin' eyes, but you made up your mind a long time ago that such things weren't possible, so you deny the proof that is right before your eyes. It goes back to a single fact: you laoth the U.S., and even when it's shown them acting in an honroable fashion, you deny it. You are an utter hypocrite, and you're below contempt.

The ADG's, Manni's, Sabena's, of the world, are pathetic souls. Even when mercy is being shown, they make it out to be sinister.

I wonder what the response of these people will be when the world media, not just the US media, shows them photo's of jubilant Iraqi's, greeting US/UK troops as liberators? It will piss them off to no end, because all these losers want the portrayal of the U.S. as this big, bad monster. That's why ADG and Manni and Saben are so pissed at these pictures of compassion. It blows the image of what they want the U.S. portrayed at.

You all can stick it, far as I'm concerned.


User currently offlineGalaxy5 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2034 posts, RR: 24
Reply 23, posted (11 years 6 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 1511 times:

Manni
From Belgium, joined Nov 2001, 1314 posts, RR: 33
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Posted Sat Mar 22 2003 14:03:51 UTC+1 and read 22 times:
Killing the innocent on one hand and given water to the wounded on the other hand, how hypocrite.

BTW, all these wheeping warmongers here, did you also let your tears stroll down for those killed by the hand that gave the soldier on the picture water?


Your right Manni we should have just gunned down that guy and all of his buddies trying to surrender, since that is what the Iraqi's would and have done in the past. No matter what you ,Sabena690, ADG, Scorpio and the likes will never admit Americans are chivalrous and compasionate that would ruin their image of us to them.





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User currently offlineManni From South Korea, joined Nov 2001, 4221 posts, RR: 22
Reply 24, posted (11 years 6 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 1509 times:

Mercy is being shown Alpha 1?

Did you see the picture of US marines writing obscene things on cruisemissiles before hanging them on their aircraft?

'It blows the image of what they want the US portrayed at'

You wouldn't want to know what the image of your governement is in many places outside the US.

'The ADG's, Manni's, Sabena's of the world are pathetic souls'

Now you've lost it, ran out of arguments and resort to your usual practices, supported in the following posts by the usual, these supports from evenminded people help you to make you feel that you must be right. But in reality, Alpha1, you just cant stand critic towards anything that can be associated with yourself or the United States. Now that's pathetic.



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25 L-188 : Hey if I was forced to fight a dictator I would right, "A gift to Tojo" on the nose of the bomb too..... Oh wait...Wrong war. But the point still stan
26 Fly707 : I hope this war ends with out killing more civillians . Regards .
27 Manni : Galaxy5, 'Americans are chivalrous and compasionate' Some of the US and British troops will perfectly match the above description, others burry thousa
28 L-188 : Manni.....Where the hell did you get that from???
29 Manni : L-188, That's what happened in '91.
30 L-188 : And where did you get that story from..... Source please.
31 Post contains images Alpha 1 : Did you see the picture of US marines writing obscene things on cruisemissiles before hanging them on their aircraft? Manni, who are the obscene thing
32 Post contains links Sebolino : L188, Here is a link (in French) http://www.lemonde.fr/article/0,5987,3448--292267-,00.html That story is well known. Some Iraqi soldiers were burried
33 Sebolino : Even when the Iraqi people are welcoming us as liberators Oh, you are in Iraq Alpha-1 ? I didn't know.
34 KLAX : L'armée irakienne est submergée, ses soldats se rendent en masse, d'autres sont enterrés vivants dans leurs tranchées. There is one sentence in th
35 Alpha 1 : Seb, nice try at humor. But don't act so stupid, OK? You know perfectly well what I mean. Watch your perfectly unbiased, uncensored media over there,
36 L-188 : Sorry...but somebody is going to have to help me with that article. No. Hablo Frog
37 KLAX : uncensored media over there, and I think they'll even show you such images in the near future. The 5 major French channels have shown ZILCH images of
38 Post contains images Manni : Alpha1, firing a cruisemissile that might kill innicent people is bad, writing obscene things on it is even worse, but calling it a tradition of US ai
39 Post contains links Boeingnut : Sebolino: From your link February 22, the Iraqi dictator accepts finally a Soviet plan of evacuation of Koweït. Washington gives him 24 hours to be c
40 KLAX : Why are you deffending a person who has given the order to an illegal war? I wish we had left France and Belgium to the Nazis. We could have just impo
41 Alpha 1 : Alpha1, firing a cruisemissile that might kill innicent people is bad, writing obscene things on it is even worse, but calling it a tradition of US ai
42 Scorpio : Galaxy5, No matter what you ,Sabena690, ADG, Scorpio and the likes will never admit Americans are chivalrous and compasionate that would ruin their im
43 Manni : 'I wish we had left France and Belgium to the Nazis.' Duh, seams pretty difficult to me considering that you in 1944 were about -40 years and I -30 ye
44 Alpha 1 : Don't you EVER, and I mean EVER, accuse me of portraying American civilians or ordinary soldiers as unhuman. GOT THAT? You "hang out" with that crowd
45 Scorpio : Alpha 1, I'm going to do something for which I admit I do have an annoying little habit. I'm going to ask you to prove your accusations. Show me a sin
46 Manni : Alpha1, If you really believe that civilian deaths would please me just because it will put the image of the US around the world in an even darker lig
47 Post contains links Scorpio : L-188, Here's another link to an article in which the bulldozers are mentioned: http://www.oakridger.com/stories/010303/new_0103030022.html From the l
48 Post contains images Sabena 690 : Very well said, Manni. I hope you don't mind I add you to my respected users list... /Frederic
49 L-188 : Sounds like a perfectly legitimate way to get rid of guys shooting at you for me. Destroy their fighting position. You made it sound like they where t
50 Manni : Sabena690, Thank you for that! L-188 let me quote myself, 'Others burry thousands of Iraqi soldiers alive' Prisoners are not metioned here, not even t
51 L-188 : Well that was the impression I got. I think the claim that thousands where buried alive is very very rich. If you saw a bulldozer about to roll the be
52 Cwapilot : Again, one of the accusations leveled against Americans, SELFISHNESS, is deomnstrated by those who would accuse. Manni: "You should not claim credit o
53 TechRep : CwaPilot that was some very elloquant and truthful text. I salute you. TechRep
54 Delta-flyer : Cwapilot: Way-to-go! People like Manni, Sabena and Scorpio have nothing but contempt for America and Americans. They are precisely what they accuse us
55 MD-90 : I also stand with Cwapilot. Excellent post.
56 JetService : Cwapilot goes to Resp. User List for that one. Outstanding.
57 Alpha 1 : JetService, I follow you in putting Cwapilot on my respected users list. Let Mr. Marx, er, Sabena, and Manni have each other on there list. They so de
58 Scorpio : Cwapilot: I'll respond to your post the way a Belgian politician did to this same point of view which was made by many Americans. I fully agree with h
59 Staffan : After what I've seen on TV and whats being reported by media, the bombings indeed seem to be concentrated to specific areas with governmental and mili
60 KLAX : After what I've seen on TV and whats being reported by media, the bombings indeed seem to be concentrated to specific areas with governmental and mili
61 Post contains images Sabena 690 : Funny, Clovis America is indeed trying to get down as much 'prides of Saddam' as possible, to give the impression to his soldiers that his power is ov
62 KLAX : By the same logic will you agree that Iraqi-TV's images of children wounded by the bombing raids are propaganda aswell? -CLovis
63 Sabena 690 : Of course they are propaganda, Clovis. In a war, it's always coming from both sides. And both sides will do everything to get their voters to their si
64 KLAX : So what news source DO you beleive Fred? I beleive in U.S. images, but take them cautiously. Still, I dont think they are made-up. -Clovis
65 Post contains images Sabena 690 : I don't believe both, Clovis. If I look at tv to what they show about Iraq, I do my best to make the difference between the propaganda and the facts.
66 Staffan : Clovis, I don't have access to Al-Jazerra or Iraqi-TV. It would be good if I could follow their reports too, but I can't. It's not only American propa
67 NWA : 'Why do you need 300000 soldiers to kill just one person? Why do possibly thousands of others have to die together with him?" - Killing one person is
68 Flight152 : They will of course not show the angry people and the anti americans. CENSORSHIP! What? My news station happens to talk about arrogant people such as
69 Post contains images ADG : Anyway one day she announced to all the troops that they needed to go home right way because in their absence all of their wives and girlfriends where
70 Delta-flyer : Scorpio.... ..... I DARE you to show me ANY proof that I EVER showed any contempt for the American people or for the country ..... I am quite capable
71 Post contains images B757300 : Iraqi citizens Iraqis cheer as U.S. Marines tear down Saddam portraits in the town of Safwan. An Iraqi woman welcomes U.S. Marines, as soldiers enter
72 ADG : That woman is scary ..... ADG
73 Jamesag96 : CWA is on my list after that...very well put. Notice the tone of the thread quickly changed. It's something that when facts are layed out so efficient
74 KaiTakFan : "That woman is scary ....." That is it?? ADG, where is the 8 paragraph response to tell us how these images are worthless? Come on now... only 4 words
75 Yyz717 : That woman is scary ....." It horrifies anti-Americans & other leftist terror-apologists that the Iraqi people actually want to be liberated.
76 ADG : Yyz, What horrifies me is that you can make that statement based upon what I say. The most amusing part of posting in these forums is the reaction of
77 Yyz717 : The most amusing part of posting in these forums is the reaction of some of you to simple, and very innocent, statements. I doubt there's much about y
78 ADG : I doubt there's much about you ADG that's simple & innocent. what? because I don't agree with you? boo hoo .. there's a whole world out here beyond th
79 NWA : "That poor aging Iraqi woman has likely just lived thru hell in the last 48 hours, surviving who-knows-what as her community/village/family is liberat
80 Yyz717 : For your own information, because you're obviously narrowminded and unthinking at this stage, that image could mean anything. She could be mourning th
81 ADG : I am quite capable of reading between the lines. You choose your words carefully, but the true meaning comes through loud and clear. So Delta, you're
82 Post contains links MD-90 : She looks like she's thanking God for deliverence, to me. I don't find her scary at all. Here's a good article http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/c
83 Zauberfloete : About burried Iraqi Soldiers and Bulldozers and all that in the war 1991, I would like to share with you this : Independent analysts generally agree t
84 MD-90 : Don't forget that another of Saddam's little fun things that he used to do was to line up people he didn't like, make them lie down in a row, and pave
85 Scorpio : Delta-flyer, I am quite capable of reading between the lines. No you're not. That's shown clearly in your "analysis" here. You choose your words caref
86 Sebolino : KLAX wrote : There is one sentence in this article where that is mentioned. No details? We dont get to know the circumstances? and other stuff .. KLAX
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