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Human Shields 'flipped' By Horrors  
User currently offlineJetService From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4798 posts, RR: 11
Posted (11 years 5 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1566 times:

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"A group of American anti-war demonstrators who came to Iraq with Japanese human shield volunteers made it across the border today with 14 hours of uncensored video, all shot without Iraqi government minders present. Kenneth Joseph, a young American pastor with the Assyrian Church of the East, told UPI the trip "had shocked me back to reality." Some of the Iraqis he interviewed on camera "told me they would commit suicide if American bombing didn't start. They were willing to see their homes demolished to gain their freedom from Saddam's bloody tyranny. They convinced me that Saddam was a monster the likes of which the world had not seen since Stalin and Hitler. He and his sons are sick sadists. Their tales of slow torture and killing made me ill, such as people put in a huge shredder for plastic products, feet first so they could hear their screams as bodies got chewed up from foot to head.""

Story

To the San Fran protesters even understand what they are trying to prevent?


"Shaddap you!"
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User currently offlineMD-90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 8506 posts, RR: 12
Reply 1, posted (11 years 5 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1528 times:

Excellent article. And I think the SF protestors were just out to shout "Down with Bush!" and have a good time.

I also liked this other snippet from the article:

The official consensus is that the United States can win wars on its own. But it cannot win the peace.

That's true.


User currently offlineJetService From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4798 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (11 years 5 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1500 times:

MD-90, and to too many people, 'peace' is nothing more than status quo whether there are horrors going on or not.


"Shaddap you!"
User currently offlineCaptaingomes From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 6413 posts, RR: 55
Reply 3, posted (11 years 5 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1477 times:

Great article, thanks for sharing it. I said it in another thread and I'll say it again. I was skeptical as to the reasons for Bush to attack Iraq. I still think he has motives other than to liberate the people, as if it were a charity act. I also don't see Iraq as a direct threat to the United States. BUT, so far I am impressed with the way the war is going. I haven't heard of any civilian deaths, but I'm sure some have died. The Iraqi army is surrendering, which is great. What I am hopeful for is that the process after the attack is complete, is fair for the Iraqi people, allowing them to capitalize on their oil wealth and set up a proper government and good international relations.


"it's kind of like an Airbus, it's an engineering marvel, but there's no sense of passion" -- J. Clarkson re: Coxster
User currently offlineDeltaownsall From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1173 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (11 years 5 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 1436 times:

Further proof that the basis of "Anti-war" sentiment (in this particular war) is ignorance.

[Edited 2003-03-22 21:20:40]

User currently offlineArtsyman From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4745 posts, RR: 34
Reply 5, posted (11 years 5 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 1426 times:

It is also possible that the human shield people coming back want to be accepted and not thrown in jail or chastised by the public for going against their countries, so they change their opinions

User currently offlineLehpron From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 7028 posts, RR: 21
Reply 6, posted (11 years 5 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1409 times:

"Further proof that the basis of "Anti-war" sentiment (in this particular war) is ignorance. "

Further proof to me that you people like to assume a few represent the rest, huh?

3...2...1...



The meaning of life is curiosity; we were put on this planet to explore opportunities.
User currently offlineADG From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (11 years 5 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1403 times:

Artsyman,

I'm not sure why they would be thrown in jail upon their return? Did they break any laws?




ADG


User currently offlineB747forlife From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 392 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (11 years 5 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1399 times:

Artsyman - Unlike in other countries, the US does not imprision people for the sole reason of having opinions. You would see that in the thousands of people protesting this war. Those who have been imprisioned have broken the law. So please, don't try and defame the US government just because you don't agree with it. We aren't run by Saddam or Kim Jong Il.

-Nick


User currently offlineArtsyman From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4745 posts, RR: 34
Reply 9, posted (11 years 5 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1358 times:

I'm not sure why they would be thrown in jail upon their return? Did they break any laws?

You took the most extreme of my options as if it were the main thrust of what I said. I was thinking about what had happened the Walker Lindh etc. Besides being a human shield is actually interfering in the war effort, and disrupting US plans, as opposed to a peaceful protest


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29792 posts, RR: 58
Reply 10, posted (11 years 5 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1355 times:

You know it is amazing how some peoples attitudes can be changed when real life hits.


OBAMA-WORST PRESIDENT EVER....Even SKOORB would be better.
User currently offlineScotty From UK - Scotland, joined Dec 1999, 1875 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (11 years 5 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1347 times:

Superb article and for anti war guys like me, a crumb of comfort and a hope that from the current chaos, a new order in the Middle East could emerge.

But there's gonna have to be an awful lot of pride swallowing and humble pie eating going on all across the Atlantic, and in both directions, before that can happen.

Scotty


User currently offlineMxCtrlr From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 2485 posts, RR: 35
Reply 12, posted (11 years 5 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 1305 times:

Isn't it amazing that none of the anti-US, anti-Bush Euro-trash that is tearing the US/Bush apart on Iraq, hasn't put one single response to this thread? Maybe Bush has more motives than just Iraqi Freedom, maybe not, but the bottom line is another tyrant will be out of power soon and that can be nothing but good for the Iraqi people.

MxCtrlr  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
Freight Dogs Anonymous - O.O.T.S.K.  Smokin cool



DAMN! This SUCKS! I just had to go to the next higher age bracket in my profile! :-(
User currently offlineArtsyman From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4745 posts, RR: 34
Reply 13, posted (11 years 5 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1280 times:

Isn't it amazing that none of the anti-US, anti-Bush Euro-trash that is tearing the US/Bush apart on Iraq, hasn't put one single response to this thread?
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NO BLOOD FOR FREEDOM

NO BLOOD FOR DEMOCRACY


User currently offlineNormalSpeed From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (11 years 5 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1272 times:

"NO BLOOD FOR FREEDOM"

I do hope you are joking. Without blood, freedom would not exist.

'Speed





User currently offlineArtsyman From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4745 posts, RR: 34
Reply 15, posted (11 years 5 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1271 times:

Yes I am joking.....

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