GKirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24748 posts, RR: 57 Posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2316 times:
Just read on BBC Ceefax that a US F-16 has bombed and destroyed a US Missile Battery used to launch patriot missile, after the F-16 had been targetted and locked by the Patriot launcher. Just trying to find online source for this. This is 2 times this has happened, with the first unfortunatly downing the RAF Tornado...
Try this... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/2883171.stm
[Edited 2003-03-25 17:23:23]
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KROC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 3, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2278 times:
This is getting a bit silly though...
Like JCS said, its war. There is so much going on, there is noway to do it flawlessly. Give me a break. What is getting a bit silly is the fact that even the most trivial piece of news is made into a thread on here. Overkill people, overkill.
JetService From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4798 posts, RR: 12 Reply 7, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2242 times:
DC-10 Levo, its stupid and embarrassing for you if your expectations are unrealistic. Do you know how many sorties have been flown? Do the math and you won't be so embarrassed, but rather amazed that this happens so infrequently.
Bmi330 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 1449 posts, RR: 1 Reply 8, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2242 times:
How do the Americans keep having blue on blue (friendly fire) incidents its a bit ridicules and there have been quite a few people on TV former military saying the US military always do it. Why are they so careless ?
777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 10, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2240 times:
Nothing needs to be done, because efficiency and accuracy is at an all time high......and it is warfare.
So would you really go upto the family of the two RAF airmen killed and say "shit happens, its war"? I'm not talking about mass sweeping changes, I'm just talking about something technological, something more reliable than IFF. Shooting down allied aircraft is unacceptable.
KROC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 11, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2235 times:
777236ER. Find me a conflict where there was no friendly fire. Nothing is perfect! "shit happens its war" is not an excuse, and my heart goes to the RAF pilots families, and as always there is an investigation into the incident, but there is no perfect way of avoiding friendly fire incidents. Its all part of war...unfortunatly
Alpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 15, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2217 times:
Jesus, but some of you people are quite naive. Good technology doesn't mean perfection. Out of all the aircraft being launched, all the missiles being launched, all the bombs being dropped, all the troops being moved, and a handful of accidents happen, and you people say it's "silly" and "embarrassing".
Wake up a little. As long as human imperfections are an equation, accidents will happen, even with the best of weapons' systems. No one should be embarrassed, despite DC-10 Levo's naive asserstion that they should be. It happens, get over it.
777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 16, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2210 times:
Dude, nobody has the perfect system. Not the US, the UK, or anyone.....
No, but that doesn't mean it can't be improved...which it has to be if friendly aircraft are being shot down. And the French seemed to have solved the problem pretty well. It's hard to shoot planes down when you're drunk on 53' chardonay and waving table cloths all over the place.
777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 19, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2202 times:
Can't be improved....they are using cutting edge technology
Are they? I don't know, I doubt you do too. Certainly the attack systems are cutting-edge, but is the friendly-fire prevention systems all they're cracked upto be? Considering that the US has accidently shot down a civilian airliner before you'd think the systems would have been improved. Ignorant thinking to say that all friendly fire attacks can be stopped, but surely there is a way of working out if you're shooting at a friendly aircraft or an enemy aircraft?!
LHMark From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 7255 posts, RR: 50 Reply 24, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2159 times:
On the modern battlefield, this stuff happens beyond line of sight, with only split-second reaction time. It's a reality of cutting edge technology that fundamentally takes people out of the equasion. It's too quick to correct.
"Sympathy is something that shouldn't be bestowed on the Yankees. Apparently it angers them." - Bob Feller
25 Alpha 1: I heard on one of the networks tonight that the bombing of the Patriot Missile radar was no accident. The F-16 pilot who did the bombing said that the
26 STT757: These things happen, today a British tank crew fired on another British tank crew killing two. It's war, people are nervous. If you hesitate, your dea
27 FSPilot747: KROC: "And considering I was in the Air Force as recently as 2001, I have a decent idea on what I speak of." Were you the locker-room janitor? I kid,
28 Propatriamori: We'll I've heard quite a few high profile "mistakes" concerning Patriot units in this war and it really doesn't surprise me. - Friendly Fire downing o
29 L-188: Despite all that technology, it just takes one switch in the wrong spot to make it worthless.
30 ADG: I think what the F16 did was a good call given what happened to the Tornado. and Kroc .. Overkill people, overkill. . .moderate people, moderate. ADG
31 Banco: To those who seem to think it is an American thing, I would point out that the British came within five seconds of shooting down a Brazilian airliner
32 ADG: To those who seem to think it is an American thing, I would point out that the British came within five seconds of shooting down a Brazilian airliner
33 KROC: I bet the Russians had a fail proof system too right before they shot down KE007 right ADG?
34 LOT767-300ER: "I bet the Russians had a fail proof system too right before they shot down KE007 right ADG?" Oooooo that one hurt, shot down, no pun intended
35 ADG: Kroc, That doesn't change a single thing in my statment UNLESS YOU have chosen to take what I said to be directed at Americans only and that would be
36 Banco: As I said ADG, "that one could have easily gone the other way". They were locked on to it, and a finger was over the button. On another day there woul
37 ADG: Banco, Wether is it skill or luck is irrelevant .. yesterday a BAE146 full of civilians was coming in to land on the runway at Canberra Airport whilst
38 Banco: Actually I was going on Admiral Woodward's comments in his book about the conflict.
39 MD-90: What about the fact that out of 6 Scuds that Iraq has fired, 2 went hopelessly off course so that they weren't a threat, and the other 4 were destroye