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User currently offlineGKirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24961 posts, RR: 56
Posted (11 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2473 times:

Just read on BBC Ceefax that a US F-16 has bombed and destroyed a US Missile Battery used to launch patriot missile, after the F-16 had been targetted and locked by the Patriot launcher. Just trying to find online source for this. This is 2 times this has happened, with the first unfortunatly downing the RAF Tornado...
Try this...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/2883171.stm

[Edited 2003-03-25 17:23:23]


When you hear the noise of the Tartan Army Boys, we'll be coming down the road!
39 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (11 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2452 times:

No casualties reported. This is getting a bit silly though...

User currently offlineJcs17 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 8065 posts, RR: 39
Reply 2, posted (11 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2445 times:

Its war...stuff like this happens. Thankfully, nobody was hurt or killed.


America's chickens are coming home to rooooost!
User currently offlineKROC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (11 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2435 times:

This is getting a bit silly though...

Like JCS said, its war. There is so much going on, there is noway to do it flawlessly. Give me a break. What is getting a bit silly is the fact that even the most trivial piece of news is made into a thread on here. Overkill people, overkill.


User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (11 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2428 times:

Of course it's overkill, and I realise that shit happens in war. However shooting down Allied aircraft? Shooting friendly missile sites? Something has to be done.

User currently offlineDC-10 Levo From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 3432 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (11 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2421 times:

I can't believe this is still happening with the technology we have today. It's a bit stupid and embarrassing for the US.

DC-10

[Edited 2003-03-25 17:43:28]

User currently offlineKROC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (11 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2408 times:

777236ER. The Patriot aquired and locked onto the F-16. At that point, what is the pilot to think, other than an enemy has him locked, so he fired......

Nothing needs to be done, because efficiency and accuracy is at an all time high......and it is warfare.


User currently offlineJetService From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4798 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (11 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2399 times:

DC-10 Levo, its stupid and embarrassing for you if your expectations are unrealistic. Do you know how many sorties have been flown? Do the math and you won't be so embarrassed, but rather amazed that this happens so infrequently.


"Shaddap you!"
User currently offlineBmi330 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 1450 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (11 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2399 times:

How do the Americans keep having blue on blue (friendly fire) incidents its a bit ridicules and there have been quite a few people on TV former military saying the US military always do it. Why are they so careless ?

User currently offlineDC-10 Levo From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 3432 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (11 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2400 times:

That line "It's a bit stupid and embarrassing for the US" was quoted from a military expert from Sky News.

DC-10


User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (11 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2397 times:

Nothing needs to be done, because efficiency and accuracy is at an all time high......and it is warfare.

So would you really go upto the family of the two RAF airmen killed and say "shit happens, its war"? I'm not talking about mass sweeping changes, I'm just talking about something technological, something more reliable than IFF. Shooting down allied aircraft is unacceptable.


User currently offlineKROC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (11 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2392 times:

777236ER. Find me a conflict where there was no friendly fire. Nothing is perfect! "shit happens its war" is not an excuse, and my heart goes to the RAF pilots families, and as always there is an investigation into the incident, but there is no perfect way of avoiding friendly fire incidents. Its all part of war...unfortunatly

User currently offlineDC-10 Levo From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 3432 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (11 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2389 times:

Do the math and you won't be so embarrassed

Why should I be embarrassed? It's the US Military that should be embarrassed. With all the technology today, it should be used in wars like this one.

DC-10


User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (11 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2374 times:

777236ER. Find me a conflict where there was no friendly fire.

I'm not saying it's unavoidable, I'm just saying with all the technology that the US military prosess there should be something reliable to stop friendly fire incidents.


User currently offlineKROC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (11 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2371 times:

Dude, nobody has the perfect system. Not the US, the UK, or anyone.....

User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (11 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2374 times:

Jesus, but some of you people are quite naive. Good technology doesn't mean perfection. Out of all the aircraft being launched, all the missiles being launched, all the bombs being dropped, all the troops being moved, and a handful of accidents happen, and you people say it's "silly" and "embarrassing".

Wake up a little. As long as human imperfections are an equation, accidents will happen, even with the best of weapons' systems. No one should be embarrassed, despite DC-10 Levo's naive asserstion that they should be. It happens, get over it.


User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (11 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2367 times:

Dude, nobody has the perfect system. Not the US, the UK, or anyone.....

No, but that doesn't mean it can't be improved...which it has to be if friendly aircraft are being shot down. And the French seemed to have solved the problem pretty well. It's hard to shoot planes down when you're drunk on 53' chardonay and waving table cloths all over the place.


User currently offlineKROC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (11 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2368 times:

Can't be improved....they are using cutting edge technology. We just can't snap our fingers and have the perfect warfare technology. Thinking so is ignorant.

User currently offlineDavid b. From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3148 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (11 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2367 times:

Why don't they incorporate a IFF system into the patriot?


Teenage-know-it-alls should be shot on sight
User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (11 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2359 times:

Can't be improved....they are using cutting edge technology

Are they? I don't know, I doubt you do too. Certainly the attack systems are cutting-edge, but is the friendly-fire prevention systems all they're cracked upto be? Considering that the US has accidently shot down a civilian airliner before you'd think the systems would have been improved. Ignorant thinking to say that all friendly fire attacks can be stopped, but surely there is a way of working out if you're shooting at a friendly aircraft or an enemy aircraft?!


User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (11 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2353 times:

No, but that doesn't mean it can't be improved...which it has to be if friendly aircraft are being shot down.

Absolutely. There's always room for improvement. That's why one of the matra's of the military is to review mistakes, find out what went wrong, and apply what is learned.

And the French seemed to have solved the problem pretty well. It's hard to shoot planes down when you're drunk on 53' chardonay and waving table cloths all over the place.

It's even harder to shoot planes down when you're signaling "touchdown".


User currently offlineKROC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (11 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2353 times:

777236ER. My man, nothing is perfect. There is no perfect Anti-Friendly Fire technology. And considering I was in the Air Force as recently as 2001, I have a decent idea on what I speak of.

User currently offlineGKirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24961 posts, RR: 56
Reply 22, posted (11 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2346 times:

Nothing can be done to 100% perfection, its just a fact of life.


When you hear the noise of the Tartan Army Boys, we'll be coming down the road!
User currently offlineADG From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (11 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2323 times:

You have to admit that given what happened to the Tornado, the F16's actions were appropriate ...

Guess it was another "software glitch".

Kroc: As they say .. nothing is foolproof. Fools are ingenious.




ADG


User currently offlineLHMark From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 7255 posts, RR: 46
Reply 24, posted (11 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2316 times:

On the modern battlefield, this stuff happens beyond line of sight, with only split-second reaction time. It's a reality of cutting edge technology that fundamentally takes people out of the equasion. It's too quick to correct.


"Sympathy is something that shouldn't be bestowed on the Yankees. Apparently it angers them." - Bob Feller
25 Post contains images Alpha 1 : I heard on one of the networks tonight that the bombing of the Patriot Missile radar was no accident. The F-16 pilot who did the bombing said that the
26 STT757 : These things happen, today a British tank crew fired on another British tank crew killing two. It's war, people are nervous. If you hesitate, your dea
27 Post contains images FSPilot747 : KROC: "And considering I was in the Air Force as recently as 2001, I have a decent idea on what I speak of." Were you the locker-room janitor? I kid,
28 Propatriamori : We'll I've heard quite a few high profile "mistakes" concerning Patriot units in this war and it really doesn't surprise me. - Friendly Fire downing o
29 L-188 : Despite all that technology, it just takes one switch in the wrong spot to make it worthless.
30 Post contains images ADG : I think what the F16 did was a good call given what happened to the Tornado. and Kroc .. Overkill people, overkill. . .moderate people, moderate. ADG
31 Banco : To those who seem to think it is an American thing, I would point out that the British came within five seconds of shooting down a Brazilian airliner
32 ADG : To those who seem to think it is an American thing, I would point out that the British came within five seconds of shooting down a Brazilian airliner
33 KROC : I bet the Russians had a fail proof system too right before they shot down KE007 right ADG?
34 Post contains images LOT767-300ER : "I bet the Russians had a fail proof system too right before they shot down KE007 right ADG?" Oooooo that one hurt, shot down, no pun intended
35 ADG : Kroc, That doesn't change a single thing in my statment UNLESS YOU have chosen to take what I said to be directed at Americans only and that would be
36 Banco : As I said ADG, "that one could have easily gone the other way". They were locked on to it, and a finger was over the button. On another day there woul
37 ADG : Banco, Wether is it skill or luck is irrelevant .. yesterday a BAE146 full of civilians was coming in to land on the runway at Canberra Airport whilst
38 Banco : Actually I was going on Admiral Woodward's comments in his book about the conflict.
39 Post contains links MD-90 : What about the fact that out of 6 Scuds that Iraq has fired, 2 went hopelessly off course so that they weren't a threat, and the other 4 were destroye
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