Ammunition From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2002, 1065 posts, RR: 4 Posted (13 years 1 month 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 3402 times:
i was discussing some of the issues around the world with a friend and we came across iran and its sactionsimposed by the USA.
I must admit i didnt know very much about iran, and even now, i dont know that much, but maybe some of you a.neters can clear some questions up.
Iran is quite a developed middle eastern country, it has a female prime minister, and equal rights for women, sex education in school (unusual for a predomenantly islamic country) and a health service and education. A reasonably good infrastructure considering its situation (trade e.t.c), a very large army.
In some ways iran seems a lot more developed than UAE and saudia arabia with regards to its equal rights for women and sex aducation in schools.
So why does the USA still have sanctions on such a developed, and what apears to be forward moving, developing country.
Why were the sanctions placed in the first place. Something to do with the Gulf war?
Also what is the iranian situation with the kurds in the south west of the country/iraq?
Saint Augustine- 'The world is a book and those who do not travel, read only 1 page'
N79969 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (13 years 1 month 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 3388 times:
It started in 1979 when the Ayatollah Khomeini [sic?] held 52 Americans hostage after the revolution. Since then, the Iranian government has sponsored several terrorist attacks against the US the latest being the attack on Khobar Towers in Saudia Arabia. 19 Americans were killed in that attack.
From what I understand, Iran has a system of dual government. There is one that is elected by the people in some form and another unelected cadre of Ayatollahs that seem to block efforts to modernize. It is the latter group that still holds power and is hostile to the US. Until these Ayatollahs are deposed, I think relations between the two countries will be difficult.
Cfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (13 years 1 month 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 3389 times:
I see that you are too young to remember the Hostage affair.
The Iranian government raided the U.S. Embassy in 1979 and held 50 American diplomats hostage for 444 days. Then they start sponsoring every terrorist group in the world with a will to kill Israelis and Americans. To this day, many of the terrorists in Palestine have direct links to Tehran.
The government of Iran, and indeed the people who elected the government, seem to be moving back towards a mainstream position. But the problem is the radical Muslim clerics who have unlimited veto power over all laws the government may pass, and who have their own private armies and militias to enforce their will.
I agree that there is much about Iran that is advanced. It is the only Gulf state that has a democratically elected government. But as long as you have these unelected mad old bats holding power over the government and everything else, I don't see things changing soon.
Aviatsiya From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (13 years 1 month 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 3344 times:
It started in 1979
Poor American-Iranian relations actually started in the 1953 when the CIA decided to overthrow the democratically elected government of Mossadegh, and installed a puppet regime with Mohammed Reza Pahlavi as its leader. Reza and his murderous secret police (SAVAK) received tacit support from the CIA, and also training and other support from Mossad.
As to 1979. America (as in the government) DESERVED everything it got in that regard. Most of the people inside that embassy might not have deserved it; but then neither did the thousands of Iranians who were killed by American armed and training secret police.
I really have to laugh at how people go on about Iran sponsoring terrorism against Israel and America, when those 2 countries did the exact same thing to the Iranian people for 26 years (think of it as being 1979-2005).
Anyway, this topic has been done many many times before. But I won't sit by and let people try to portray that "it started in 1979", when that is not quite right.
Charles, I agree with your other points though (some outright, some to some extent). One need only look to HESACO and the Iran-140 project to see that Iran has quite advanced manufacturing and technical abilities.
Ryanb741 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2002, 3222 posts, RR: 15
Reply 9, posted (13 years 1 month 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 3326 times:
I used to live in Iran as a child, and visited 3 and a half years ago. The progress the country has made is astonishing - the population is very young and well educated and has made great strides to mova away from fundamentalism despite the religious right (but this is no different to the crazy Orthodox maniacs in the Israeli far right anyway).
IMHO Iran will lead the Islamic world into developing strong economic and political partnerships in the future. Whilst I agree that Iraq and North Korea should have been included in an axis of evil, how the heck Bush stuch Iran in that category (and not for example someone like Syria) is absolutely mind boggling. Iran will come good. Give it a chance. The people are too well educated for it to fall back into Islamic fundamentalism (barring any 'You're evil' comments from messrs Bush and co).
Go to Iran and see for yourself. Fantastic place.
I used to think the brain is the most fascinating part of my body. But, hey, who is telling me that?
Charleslp From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 336 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (13 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3307 times:
Why the U.S. Sanctions on Iran?
It mainly has to do with that hostage crisis. After that Government-backed terrorism (which was probably sponsored by the clerics) kept the U.S. and Iran from having any kind of diplomatic relations. Does anyone remember PanAmerican Flight 103?!?! Most of everyone on that plane never had any hand in American policy towards Iran. Then, a few years later, the U.S. Navy mistaked an Iran Air Airbus (don't know which one) for an attacking Iranian Air Force F-14 Tomcat. Iran "payed" the U.S. back AGAIN in the 1996 bombing of Khobar Towers. That may have made the U.S. place sanctions on Iran.
The reason why Iran is a "modernized" country is because Europe has been trading with Iran and the reason why it has a "decent" military is because of Russia.
I believe one of the Ayatollahs called the U.S. "The Great Satan" and said that he doesn't want any "corrupt Western technology." In other words, the U.S. is, in a way, keeping its promise to not give Iran any "corrupt Western technology."
B757300 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 4114 posts, RR: 20
Reply 14, posted (13 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3291 times:
If you read more of the Bible, it says a lot more than "Thou shalt not kill." So please don't fall back on the old cliche that people who profess to be Christians should not support war or killing. Sometimes it is necessary.
Ecclesiastes 3:1, 3, 8
There is a time for everything, and a season for every activity under heaven:
...a time to kill and a time to heal, a time to tear down and a time to build...
Alpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (13 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3266 times:
As to 1979. America (as in the government) DESERVED everything it got in that regard.
Avi, you're such an ass. You scream and yell and complain every time you think the U.S. violates ANY law, yet you shrug off, and even APPROVE it when a nation like Iran does it. You just lost what little credibility you had left. Obviously, anything done to the U.S. meets with your approval. What the hell is your problem? Is only the U.S. held to a higher standard in your delusional world. Iran committed an act of war, yet you act like it's not big deal.
The U.S. deserved NOTHING in that situation. Fortunately for Iran, the U.S. chose not to respond as it should have. Just stick with your wacko friends at Peta, OK? Obviously, you don't understand jack about anything else.
Those were the good old days when Americans held up banners that said "Thank you Canada".
I'm sure if the roles were reversed today Airplay, you'd still find something to bitch at the U.S. about.
Turtle From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 206 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (13 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3262 times:
Check out this web site detecated to daily photography in Iran. Especially, the Tehran area. I'm not being pro-Iran but, it did change my view of what life is like in Iran which I used to think is as barbaric as Afghanistan under the Taliban. Seems to me that this is one of the more progressive of the Arab states. http://www.tehran24.com
Alpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (13 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3257 times:
Doug_or, Avi made no legitimate points. He's just doing his regular crybaby routine about the U.S. Iran broke international law in a big way-in a way very few have ever done, and he condones it. Had it been the U.S. doing this, he'd be screaming for our heads. He's a hypocrite. Always has been, always will be.