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Why The US Sanctions On Iran  
User currently offlineAmmunition From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2002, 1065 posts, RR: 4
Posted (11 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2532 times:

i was discussing some of the issues around the world with a friend and we came across iran and its sactionsimposed by the USA.
I must admit i didnt know very much about iran, and even now, i dont know that much, but maybe some of you a.neters can clear some questions up.
Iran is quite a developed middle eastern country, it has a female prime minister, and equal rights for women, sex education in school (unusual for a predomenantly islamic country) and a health service and education. A reasonably good infrastructure considering its situation (trade e.t.c), a very large army.

In some ways iran seems a lot more developed than UAE and saudia arabia with regards to its equal rights for women and sex aducation in schools.

So why does the USA still have sanctions on such a developed, and what apears to be forward moving, developing country.

Why were the sanctions placed in the first place. Something to do with the Gulf war?

Also what is the iranian situation with the kurds in the south west of the country/iraq?



Saint Augustine- 'The world is a book and those who do not travel, read only 1 page'
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User currently offlineN79969 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (11 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2518 times:

It started in 1979 when the Ayatollah Khomeini [sic?] held 52 Americans hostage after the revolution. Since then, the Iranian government has sponsored several terrorist attacks against the US the latest being the attack on Khobar Towers in Saudia Arabia. 19 Americans were killed in that attack.

From what I understand, Iran has a system of dual government. There is one that is elected by the people in some form and another unelected cadre of Ayatollahs that seem to block efforts to modernize. It is the latter group that still holds power and is hostile to the US. Until these Ayatollahs are deposed, I think relations between the two countries will be difficult.





User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (11 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2519 times:

I see that you are too young to remember the Hostage affair.

The Iranian government raided the U.S. Embassy in 1979 and held 50 American diplomats hostage for 444 days. Then they start sponsoring every terrorist group in the world with a will to kill Israelis and Americans. To this day, many of the terrorists in Palestine have direct links to Tehran.

The government of Iran, and indeed the people who elected the government, seem to be moving back towards a mainstream position. But the problem is the radical Muslim clerics who have unlimited veto power over all laws the government may pass, and who have their own private armies and militias to enforce their will.

I agree that there is much about Iran that is advanced. It is the only Gulf state that has a democratically elected government. But as long as you have these unelected mad old bats holding power over the government and everything else, I don't see things changing soon.

Charles

[Edited 2003-04-01 21:08:06]

User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16907 posts, RR: 51
Reply 3, posted (11 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2496 times:

Iran comitted a huge crime against International law by attacking the US Embassy in Tehran and taking the Embassy staff hostages.

The US allows all sorts of Countries we don't like to continue to operate here in the US, Iraqi Ambassador to the UN goes out around Manhattan all the time having $200 Pork dinners.

Seriously the NY Post cought the Iraqi Ambassador to the UN dinning on Pork, aren't Muslims suposed to stay away from Pork?



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User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (11 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2494 times:

Christians aren't meant to kill either. Well, sometimes. Well, depending on how you interpret the Bible and the phrase "thou shalt not kill".

User currently offlineN79969 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (11 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2487 times:

Iraq has a lot of Christians and some Jews. Actually Tariq Aziz is a Chaldean Christian.

User currently offlineIllini_152 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1000 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (11 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2483 times:

Never seen "thou shalt not kill" in the Bible, I have seen "Thou shalt not commit murder" though.




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User currently offlineAviatsiya From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (11 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2474 times:

It started in 1979

Poor American-Iranian relations actually started in the 1953 when the CIA decided to overthrow the democratically elected government of Mossadegh, and installed a puppet regime with Mohammed Reza Pahlavi as its leader. Reza and his murderous secret police (SAVAK) received tacit support from the CIA, and also training and other support from Mossad.

As to 1979. America (as in the government) DESERVED everything it got in that regard. Most of the people inside that embassy might not have deserved it; but then neither did the thousands of Iranians who were killed by American armed and training secret police.

I really have to laugh at how people go on about Iran sponsoring terrorism against Israel and America, when those 2 countries did the exact same thing to the Iranian people for 26 years (think of it as being 1979-2005).

Anyway, this topic has been done many many times before. But I won't sit by and let people try to portray that "it started in 1979", when that is not quite right.

Charles, I agree with your other points though (some outright, some to some extent). One need only look to HESACO and the Iran-140 project to see that Iran has quite advanced manufacturing and technical abilities.


User currently offlineN79969 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (11 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2462 times:

Aviatsiya,

The questions was why the US has sanctions on Iran? The answer to the original question is that it started in 1979.

What did the US government DESERVE exactly that the US government got? Fifty two individuals suffered. I don't see the distinction that you are trying to make.

I am sure that in your esteemed opinion that the Iranian people are getting the fine leadership they deserve under these autocratic mullahs and religious police.

I am not sure why the US would like or dislike a country because of their manufacturing abilities.


User currently offlineRyanb741 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2002, 3221 posts, RR: 15
Reply 9, posted (11 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2456 times:

I used to live in Iran as a child, and visited 3 and a half years ago. The progress the country has made is astonishing - the population is very young and well educated and has made great strides to mova away from fundamentalism despite the religious right (but this is no different to the crazy Orthodox maniacs in the Israeli far right anyway).

IMHO Iran will lead the Islamic world into developing strong economic and political partnerships in the future. Whilst I agree that Iraq and North Korea should have been included in an axis of evil, how the heck Bush stuch Iran in that category (and not for example someone like Syria) is absolutely mind boggling. Iran will come good. Give it a chance. The people are too well educated for it to fall back into Islamic fundamentalism (barring any 'You're evil' comments from messrs Bush and co).

Go to Iran and see for yourself. Fantastic place.



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User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (11 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2456 times:

Never seen "thou shalt not kill" in the Bible, I have seen "Thou shalt not commit murder" though.

Considering the Bible originally wasn't in English, you haven't seen either.


User currently offlineCharleslp From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 336 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (11 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2437 times:

Why the U.S. Sanctions on Iran?

It mainly has to do with that hostage crisis. After that Government-backed terrorism (which was probably sponsored by the clerics) kept the U.S. and Iran from having any kind of diplomatic relations. Does anyone remember PanAmerican Flight 103?!?! Most of everyone on that plane never had any hand in American policy towards Iran. Then, a few years later, the U.S. Navy mistaked an Iran Air Airbus (don't know which one) for an attacking Iranian Air Force F-14 Tomcat. Iran "payed" the U.S. back AGAIN in the 1996 bombing of Khobar Towers. That may have made the U.S. place sanctions on Iran.

The reason why Iran is a "modernized" country is because Europe has been trading with Iran and the reason why it has a "decent" military is because of Russia.

I believe one of the Ayatollahs called the U.S. "The Great Satan" and said that he doesn't want any "corrupt Western technology." In other words, the U.S. is, in a way, keeping its promise to not give Iran any "corrupt Western technology."  Yeah sure


User currently offlineCharleslp From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 336 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (11 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2426 times:

On second thought, maybe most policymakers only recognize the "extremist" side of Iran.

User currently offlineAirplay From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (11 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2421 times:

Let's not forget Canada's role in rescuing some of the Americans caught in Iran. The Canadian Embassy hid them and spirited them out using fake documents.

Those were the good old days when Americans held up banners that said "Thank you Canada".

 Smile


User currently offlineB757300 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 4114 posts, RR: 22
Reply 14, posted (11 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2421 times:

If you read more of the Bible, it says a lot more than "Thou shalt not kill." So please don't fall back on the old cliche that people who profess to be Christians should not support war or killing. Sometimes it is necessary.

Ecclesiastes 3:1, 3, 8

There is a time for everything, and a season for every activity under heaven:

...a time to kill and a time to heal, a time to tear down and a time to build...

...a time for war and a time for peace.



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User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (11 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2419 times:

The Bible contradicts itself everywhere, for crying out loud. To actually live you life by it is ludicrous....

User currently offlineCharleslp From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 336 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (11 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2411 times:

BTW, does anyone think that including Iran on the "Axis of Evil" was justified?

User currently offlineTechRep From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (11 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2410 times:

I agree Iran has made great strides, I think the axia of evil is unjustfied there.

Techrep


User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (11 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2396 times:

As to 1979. America (as in the government) DESERVED everything it got in that regard.

Avi, you're such an ass. You scream and yell and complain every time you think the U.S. violates ANY law, yet you shrug off, and even APPROVE it when a nation like Iran does it. You just lost what little credibility you had left. Obviously, anything done to the U.S. meets with your approval. What the hell is your problem? Is only the U.S. held to a higher standard in your delusional world. Iran committed an act of war, yet you act like it's not big deal.

The U.S. deserved NOTHING in that situation. Fortunately for Iran, the U.S. chose not to respond as it should have. Just stick with your wacko friends at Peta, OK? Obviously, you don't understand jack about anything else.

Those were the good old days when Americans held up banners that said "Thank you Canada".

I'm sure if the roles were reversed today Airplay, you'd still find something to bitch at the U.S. about.


User currently offlineTurtle From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 206 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (11 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2392 times:

Check out this web site detecated to daily photography in Iran. Especially, the Tehran area. I'm not being pro-Iran but, it did change my view of what life is like in Iran which I used to think is as barbaric as Afghanistan under the Taliban. Seems to me that this is one of the more progressive of the Arab states.
http://www.tehran24.com


User currently offlineDoug_or From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3442 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (11 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2391 times:

While he may have said it poorly, I think Aviatsiya was making a legitimate point by putting the hostage crisis in a very important context.


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User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (11 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2387 times:

Doug_or, Avi made no legitimate points. He's just doing his regular crybaby routine about the U.S. Iran broke international law in a big way-in a way very few have ever done, and he condones it. Had it been the U.S. doing this, he'd be screaming for our heads. He's a hypocrite. Always has been, always will be.

User currently offlineErj190 From Portugal, joined Dec 2000, 397 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (11 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2383 times:

Just a small tiny correction

" ... Iran is NOT an ARAB state ..."

Just wanted to share that Big grin


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29839 posts, RR: 58
Reply 23, posted (11 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2378 times:

Correct Erj,

They are mostly decendents of the Persians.



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User currently offlineErj190 From Portugal, joined Dec 2000, 397 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (11 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2374 times:



STT757

Please remember that the Ambassadors to the United Nations are not ambassadors to the United States.

It was a trade off. In order to have the UN in New York the USA had to accept diplomats from countries with whom the US had no diplomatic relations and had to protect them.

Fidel Castro and Yasser Arafat went to N.Y. to address the assembly of the U.N. and the US had to guarantee their safety.

So, the U.S. allows them, because otherwise, the U.N. would be based in Switzerland and not in the US.

Got it ?


25 Aviatsiya : Charleslp IR655 happened before PA103. It was thought at first that the bombing of PA103 was "payback" for IR655. I don't buy that theory, nor do I bu
26 TechRep : This is what discussion has come to on A.Net. I opt out. TechRep
27 Charleslp : Does anyone besides me distust the CIA? I think we did the wrong thing back in 1953 in Iran. Do you think that Iran would have a better trust of the U
28 Alpha 1 : Do you think that one day the Iranians just all of a sudden stormed the American embassy for no reason; for a bit of fun maybe? Do you think-really-th
29 Teva : The only thing people forget when talking about the context is that, after loosing control of the Shah, the USA (the Carter administration) has decide
30 Dazeflight : @ Alpha 1: "That's not saying much, is it? And they enjoy "freedom"? They're still controlled by religious fanatiscs, despite their attempts to get be
31 Alpha 1 : Dazeflight, save your comments for someone who really cares what you think, OK? You won't change my mind one bit. And, gee, how did you figure out I d
32 Post contains images 777236ER : Mr. Petaman? Who knew the JFK was such a violent golfer?
33 Post contains images ADG : The Bible contradicts itself everywhere, for crying out loud. To actually live you life by it is ludicrous.... Full of contradictions and reworded to
34 Post contains images Aviatsiya : Alpha I really do find it hilarious that you call me a crybaby continually. Usually this type of claptrap which you spout is one you would expect from
35 Charleslp : One question: Which countries have an embassy in Iran?
36 Aviatsiya : All of them, except for America and Israel.
37 Charleslp : Okay then, what's holding the U.S. back from opening an embassy in Iran? Oh wait, it supports Israel and the "evil" U.S. put the Iranian people throug
38 Charleslp : Okay, maybe I was a little angry when I typed the last statement.
39 Dazeflight : @ Alpha 1: Dazeflight, save your comments for someone who really cares what you think, OK? uhh, that hurts soo much. I see, you're not really interest
40 Marco : The Bible contradicts itself everywhere, for crying out loud. To actually live you life by it is ludicrous.... So you're judging people who live by th
41 777236ER : "That thing", ooooo I like that! I think all religions are stupid. I hate everyone equally.
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