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Have The Lights Come Back On In California?  
User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (13 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1181 times:

It seems to have dropped out of the news lately.

Charles

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User currently offlineMls515 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3076 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (13 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1160 times:

No, they're still surfing the internet by candlelight!  Smile

User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (13 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1160 times:

Boy, those hamster-wheel generators sure come in handy, don't they.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

I suppose the California government has decided that "deregulation" was the cause, instead of their own idiocy. What's the latest?

Charles


User currently offlineTrvlr From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4430 posts, RR: 21
Reply 3, posted (13 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1152 times:

The governor here, Gray Davis, just signed a bill yesterday that would allow California to buy cheaper power in long-term contracts. The state would also issue a few $billion in bonds and possibly raise electricity rates to pay for it. So hopefully the end is in sight, but I think there could still be scattered blackouts for the next few days/weeks etc. Today a "Stage 3" power alert has been issued, meaning that electricity reserves have dropped to less than 1.5% of available energy. For the past 2 weeks I think there have been Stage 3 alerts every weekday and Stage 2 (less than 5%) on weekends.

Aaron G.


User currently offlineTrvlr From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4430 posts, RR: 21
Reply 4, posted (13 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1150 times:

I forgot: The deal would allow California, after it had bought the electricity, to sell it to the two main power companies here, Pacific Gas & Electric, and Southern California Edison. Both have (said they have) been on the brink of bankruptcy during the power crisis.

Aaron G.


User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (13 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1145 times:

Any word on allowing the power companies to change rates according to supply/demand? That seems to be the basic problem - politicians sticking their nose in something they know nothing about for political points.

Charles



User currently offlineTWFirst From Vatican City, joined Apr 2000, 6346 posts, RR: 52
Reply 6, posted (13 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1143 times:

No, but what about the night the lights went out in Georgia?


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User currently offlineJohnboy From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 2576 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (13 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1135 times:

No blackouts recently. They are on Block 9 when it starts again (hopefully not). I am on Block 12, so it's inevitable i guess either now or during the summer (or both)!

User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (13 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 1128 times:

I forgot about that. Does anyone know how much power California uses in Summer versus Winter? You would think that Summer would be worse, with all the air conditioners...

Charles


User currently offlineSashA From Russia, joined May 1999, 861 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (13 years 5 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 1126 times:

How's LAX doing, one of the busiest airports? Their runways are lit, aren't they?  Smile


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User currently offlineOH-LGA From Denmark, joined Oct 1999, 1436 posts, RR: 19
Reply 10, posted (13 years 5 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 1120 times:

Supposedly we (California) will be short 500 megawatts a day during the summer (hallelujah my family and I are leaving for Europe in June). Today was the 18th day in a row that Stage 3 power alerts were issued, but no blackouts are expected.

In a blow to the horribly gone wrong deregulation experiment, the Power Exchange (the marketplace where energy was bought and sold) went out of business a day or two ago.

There is talk of creating a California Power Authority, taking over the transmission lines which is a large part of what SoCal Edison and PG&E have left to own. It's such a mess...

Moi,
Kai



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User currently offlineIflycoach From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 1015 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (13 years 5 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 1116 times:

Anyone see the movie "Black Out"

Or at least I think its the name - they live in California and the power goes out they end up trying to drive to a parents house and one of em gets shot?.?.?.


User currently offlineN766AS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (13 years 5 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 1109 times:

California has been stealing our (Washington's) electricity (well, sanctioned stealing under the Clinton administration) for a couple of months, effectively jacking up our prices up here to unbelievable levels (I don't believe Bush is going to continue the order for us to sell Cali our power for dirt cheap). We're Nuts can confirm that....
The way I understand it is that California is usually sending us energy in the winter and in the summer we send Cali energy from our dams. Well, this year its all backwords but Cali is still getting our power.... So hopefully our wonderful governor will stand up to Gov. Davis and tell him: you got yourself in this mess, don't look at us to bail you out at our expense!
I am completely fed up with the California government, as well as Clinton and Locke for sending our power to California.

On a semi-related note: I went up to Snoqualmie Falls last week and it had been diminished to a trickle because of the lack of rain on top of the fact that the dams are letting anything and everything because they have to power not only us, but Cali, too...


User currently offlineTrvlr From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4430 posts, RR: 21
Reply 13, posted (13 years 5 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 1106 times:

SashA: When blackouts occur, they are planned. The Independent System Operator, which controls this kind of thing, can pick and choose which regions to cut power to. So they will avoid cutting power to areas with hospitals, airports, etc. I do not think there will be a problem with LAX, SFO, SNA, or SAN operations that is directly related to power cuts.

Luckily for us in Southern California, there is a power transfer bottleneck up near Bakersfield that severely reduces the need for rolling blackouts in LA, Orange County, and San Diego. So basically that means the Bay Area will get hit the most. Smile

Aaron G.


User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (13 years 5 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 1098 times:

I say cut the power first of all to all the environmentalists who protested the construction of new power plants.

Second, "Deregulation" never happened. The government controlled the retail pricing, and has held it artifically low for years for political reasons. Meanwhile wholesale power prices go up, and the utilities cannot pass on the cost. A crash had to occur.

"Buy high, sell low" was not the philosophy I learned at the MBA. Maybe it means something to Calif. government idiots.

Charles


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