Sponsor Message:
Non Aviation Forum
My Starred Topics | Profile | New Topic | Forum Index | Help | Search 
Opel/Vauxhall And Chevy - Potato, Potahto  
User currently offlineUTA_flyinghigh From Tunisia, joined Oct 2001, 6495 posts, RR: 50
Posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2082 times:

I've got a friend who has an old beat-up Vauxhall Astra and keeps on saying his ride is German; however a lot of the bits and pieces in the interior look like they've been lifted from the Chevrolet Cavalier I used to have.
The Quad-4 engine also looks very GM-designed.
So is Vauxhall roast beef, Opel kartoffelzalat or is it all hamburgers and fries ? (a bit hungry - ate only a sandwich at lunch  Sad )


Fly to live, live to fly - Air France/KLM Flying Blue Platinum, BMI Diamond Club Gold, Emirates Skywards
13 replies: All unread, jump to last
 
User currently offline707cmf From France, joined Mar 2002, 4885 posts, RR: 29
Reply 1, posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2063 times:

Exactly the same... to an extent.

Early Vauxhall Astra are the same as Opel Kadett, whle more recent Astra are the same on the continent as in UK.

Vauxhall Cavalier = Opel Vectra 1, and Vauxhall Vectra = Opel Vectra 2.

Most of the time, the difference is only in the name and in the place of the steering wheel, but...

2 years ago, I was living in the UK, and I bought a French Opel Astra. There were some insurance companies that refused to insure it, as it was not referenced in their books. I tried to tell them "But it's exactly the same as a Vauxhall Astra !!!", but they only accepted to insure it for 1,800 pounds/year (and that's third party only). Needless to say I did not call back.

As for Opel/Vauxhall being german or american, I prefer driving my Opel than riding in my flatmate's Ford...

cheers,

Antoine


User currently offlineBmi330 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 1450 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2052 times:

It is actually dearer to insure an Opel than a Vauxhall in the UK even if its the exact same car just different baggies. Most GM cars are the same underneath example being the new saab 9.3 has a Vectra chacey ( not sure about spelling) and engine blocks in some they also share common parts with fiat cars as GM Owens 40% of fiat auto but a wont boar you with all the different facts from all the manufactures.

User currently offlineDesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7776 posts, RR: 16
Reply 3, posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2037 times:

Until very recently GM has not done a lot of sharing between the European product and North American product. Which means that the platforms between the two markets are unique and engines (to a degree) as well.

But this is all changing. The new epsilon platform is the basis for the new Vectra, 9-3, Chevy Malibu, Pontiac Grand Am, and the eventual replacement for the Saturn L series (which itself is an enlarged Vectra).

Additionally the 2.0 Ecotec four (for better or worse) is being standardized across lines as the primary engine in the medium sized cars. V-6s are another issue. The NA market Malibu and Grand Am will be using a new 3.5 liter OHV 60 degree 6. I presume it is based off of the current lineage of the 2.8, 3.1 and 3.4 liter engines. Some NA market cars are seeing the Ecotec sixes... notably the 2.5 liter in the L series and 3.2 liter in the CTS. Which will be getting a 3.6 liter version for '04.


By 2010 differences between Opels, Vauxhauls, Holdens, Chevys, et al will definately go away. GM just has way too many brands, too many platforms, and too many engine families. Ford has certainly done a much better job in that regard.



Stop drop and roll will not save you in hell. --- seen on a church marque in rural Virginia
User currently offlineFACT From South Africa, joined Jul 2002, 200 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2028 times:

GM have been into badge engineering for their non-North American brands for a couple of decades now ... a further example to those given before would be the Corsa, which is sold as a Opel Corsa (continental Europe & Africa), Vauxhall Corsa (UK & Ireland), Holden Barina (Australasia), Chevy Corsa & Chevrolet Corsa (various Latin American countries). There's another name used in some Asian markets that I can't remember off-hand.

Here in South Africa we have the Australian Holden Commodore sold as a Chevrolet Lumina - quite different from the namesake in the USA! In some Asian markets it sells as an Opel Commodore.

But different markets do have different tastes when it comes to the packaging of the product. For example, like Brazil and some other Latin American countries, the South African market has a taste for small half-ton pickups (called "bakkies") and the two best sellers are currently the Opel Corsa Utility and the Ford Fiesta Bantam. Fiat might still launch their Palio pickup here, which is already available in Brazil.

Ford did a lot of badge engineering with Mazda in our market (and in Australasia as well), but the days of Mazda 323s masquerading as Ford Lasers and 626s being Ford Telstars are fortunately over, and we now have the "true blue" Focus and Mondeo instead - both fully imported, though, so a bit more expensive than their Mazda equivalents.



there are 10 kinds of people: those who understand binary, and those who don't
User currently offlineDesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7776 posts, RR: 16
Reply 5, posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2026 times:

GM has been notorious for badge engineering in the US as well. When you have 5 passenger car divisions you kinda have to do that. But there are still too many platforms.

Here is another twist on the Corsa story. At some point (late 80s early 90s) the Corsa was manufactered by Daewoo and sold in the US as the Pontiac LeMans in 3dr and 4dr models. Don't know if it was before or after Opel/Vauxhaull product was off the market.



Stop drop and roll will not save you in hell. --- seen on a church marque in rural Virginia
User currently offline747-451 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 2417 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2022 times:

I recall when GM shared the Chevette chasiss, originally Opel's T-car and used it for Isuzu, the T1000 etc etc. (as a matter of fact they imported Isuzu I Mark coupes and marketed them as Buick/Opels in the late 70's).

The J-car, which was a US design was spread to Europe as the Astra/ Cavalier (Europe) and in Japan for the Isuzu Aska as well as badge enginereed versions called Buick Skyhawk, Pontiac 2000 Sunbird and Oldsmobile Firenza for the US.


User currently offlineFACT From South Africa, joined Jul 2002, 200 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2017 times:

Desertjets, the Pontiac LeMans was based on the car one size up from the Corsa, the Opel/Vauxhall Astra (the so-called 'T' car).

Daewoo gave that car a re-skin after their contract with GM-Pontiac expired and they continued to sell it as the Daewoo Cielo (or Nexia in some markets). Their current Lanos model is a further rework of the basic design - same mechanicals and chassis, different body.

Daewoo also sold a re-work of the Opel/Vauxhall Vectra as the Daewoo Espero, which was the basis for their current Nubira (same mechanicals and chassis, new body - sound familiar?). So GM buying the company last year was a logical thing to do - their products are very GM-based anyway.

Funny thing about the early Daewoos that sold in Australia (and I don't know if the US "Pontiacs" had the same problem) - the panel fit was so bad that a used car guide told potential buyers that most of them looked like they were repaired wrecks, but that was the way they'd come out the factory!



there are 10 kinds of people: those who understand binary, and those who don't
User currently offlineBmi330 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 1450 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2015 times:

But daewoo are not a GM owned company. But GM did sell them old astra presses to them to make the daewoo lanos I think its name was and obviously done the usually body work modifications.

User currently offlineLubcha132 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 2776 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2009 times:

i think Opels are nicer than Vauxhalls and most chevies tho.

User currently offlineBmi330 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 1450 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2004 times:

A Opel is a Vauxhall with an Opel badge so what you slavering about if its the same thing ?

User currently offline747-451 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 2417 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2003 times:

The LeMans sold here was a disgrace.

User currently offlineFACT From South Africa, joined Jul 2002, 200 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2002 times:

B747-451, I thought as much ...

Bmi330, it would be more correct to say that a Vauxhall is an Opel with a Vauxhall badge ... all of the current cars sold in the UK owe far more to Russelheim than Luton. The last "pure" Vauxhall was probably the Viva from the early 70s (my guess). And Daewoo Motor is now (as of last year) a GM owned company, but they started in car manufacturing by licence building the Astra for the North American market as the Pontiac Le Mans.

DesertJets, I believe there was a slight overlap between the Astra production in Europe and the Daewoo/Pontiac production in Korea ... the Astra was 1984 - 1990 as I remember, and the Pontiac Le Mans was 1988 - 1993.



there are 10 kinds of people: those who understand binary, and those who don't
User currently offlineDesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7776 posts, RR: 16
Reply 13, posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 1993 times:

Thanks for the info FACT.

Now there is another twist to the Daewoo story. With Daewoo gone from the NA market Suzuki will begin selling two new cars for '04, one based on the Leganza, the other the Nubria. The pics that I have seen make it look like it has been significantly reskinned, but it could just be a really clever front and rear facsia job... which I am inclined to believe it is. I would imagine these are based on slightly newer Opel platforms.



Stop drop and roll will not save you in hell. --- seen on a church marque in rural Virginia
Top Of Page
Forum Index

This topic is archived and can not be replied to any more.

Printer friendly format

Similar topics:More similar topics...
Why Vauxhall And Not Opel In The UK? posted Thu Mar 18 2004 11:44:03 by Aviationfreak
Saturn/Opel/Vauxhall Astra posted Sat Feb 2 2008 10:07:39 by Hjulicher
Chevy And Dodge Back In UK! posted Mon Mar 15 2004 22:44:24 by Nizmo
Americans And Opportunity posted Sat Feb 2 2008 14:47:55 by IADCA
Sarkozy And Bruni Have Married! posted Sat Feb 2 2008 05:23:27 by LHStarAlliance
Have Vista And IE7? Can You Check A Site For Me? posted Wed Jan 30 2008 20:33:03 by J_Hallgren
Obama And Hiliary - The Secret Affair posted Wed Jan 30 2008 19:01:50 by Emirates773ER
Your Auto Driving Skills On Ice And Snow posted Wed Jan 30 2008 09:51:00 by AverageUser
Our US And OZ Friends. Cloverfield, Any Good? posted Tue Jan 29 2008 09:25:03 by JWMD123
Czech, Slovaks, And Austrians: Travel Advice Neede posted Sun Jan 27 2008 21:53:11 by Doug_Or