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For Those Who Blame The U.S. For Starving Iraqi's  
User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1138 times:

....take a look at the opulence of Saddam's palaces being shown on the networks. Look at the marble floors; look at the gold sinks, and the gigantic rooms, made of marble and stone; look at his expensive sheets on his bed, and what were nicely manicured gardens and Palace Grounds.

Now, times that by like 54, and tell me again that it was the U.S. that starved the Iraqi's? Seems to me Saddam took all this oil money and made himself a king, at the expense of his people.

This one goes right next to "no war for oil", in the rubbish heap.

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User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1121 times:

Nice digs...

Here's a shot of a US soldier in Saddam's Baghdad Palace. Apparently he had over a hundred palaces like this.



Charles


User currently offlineKROC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1111 times:

How long before the usual suspects come in to defend Saddam's lifestyle? It doesn't take a genius to realize that the people of Iraq were suffering at the hands of Saddam who was more interested in having a different lavish palace for each day of the year.....

User currently offlineJwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 18
Reply 3, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1103 times:

Come on people, didn't he deserve to have a comfortable place to live?
And with the evil Jews and Americans after him he needed something big to have a good defensive perimeter and needed something different each day to be a harder target...

Can't blame him for accepting those palaces as a gracious gift from the grateful Iraqi people who love their Leader so much.

and yes, that's sarcasm Big grin



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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29800 posts, RR: 58
Reply 4, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1079 times:

Cfalk..

He is a Tommie.

No self respecting US soldier would be caught dead packing an SA-80.


That hallway looks like something off the set of an Austin Powers movie.



OBAMA-WORST PRESIDENT EVER....Even SKOORB would be better.
User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1077 times:

That hallway looks like something off the set of an Austin Powers movie.

LOL! I saw a picture of the master bedroom, and it DID remind me of Austin Powers' bedroom in the 747.

Charles



User currently offlineDragogoalie From Australia, joined Oct 2001, 1220 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1068 times:

I saw on the pictures on www.cnn.com, he has a freakin toilet made out of marble...and you thought the porcelin one gets cold...

--dragogoalie-#88--



Formerly known as Jap. Srsly. AUSTRALIA: 2 days!
User currently offlineErj190 From Portugal, joined Dec 2000, 397 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1050 times:


I confess I am quite surprised.

I thought that all the reports, all the information coming from the most varied sources had demonstrated years and years ago that Saddam lived in style.

I am astonished by the surprise you people demonstrate. It is incredible. I though you could not surprise me any more.

Silly me Big grin

Saddam Hussein is a dictator, you are not supposed to see dictators living in huts are you?

Where have you been when the whole world was saying Saddam was a murderer ?

Where were you when the USA was helping uncle Saddam to fight Iran?

Where were you when the god Old USA was teaching him how to gas, his population and the Iranians?

You were not aware of that?

Of course not, at the time it was not just "interesting", to be aware of that. Helping Saddam then, was fighting for democracy, free speech, The US was helping Saddam to fight the Aiatollas from Iran, which by then where the worst thing on earth.

I think Saddam was a dictator then, I think he is a dictator now!

As usually I am speechless in the presence of some of our "so well informed American friends" So incredibly documented. So well informed, that they take conclusions, when they look at a picture, and only when the picture is placed at a minimum of 50 cm of their eyes.

If it was not sad, I would laugh


User currently offlineIndianguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 1038 times:

It so easy to put up a picture of Saddam's palaces and contrast that with "suffering Iraqi's" and make a pretty skewed statement! How about putting up a picture of the US White House alongside, um a black ghetto in Harlem? Similar effect!

The people of Iraq were doing quite nicely until the US/UK imposed illegal sanctions, The sanctions are what have caused the suffering.

Why werent the sanctions removed in 1995? or 1998? Why? Becuase the US wanted Iraq to stagnate. They wanted the people to suffer so they would rise up in revolt against Saddam. But that still did not happen. So they moved in!

-Roy


User currently offlineGlenn From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 1013 times:

I am reminded of the interior decorations of anything Political in Australia. Or the Beheamothly expensive cars they drive. and that's almost all Embassies

I am sure all Govts are the same


User currently offlineAA61hvy From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 13977 posts, RR: 57
Reply 10, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 1011 times:

Saddam is stuck in the 70's. I wonder if his bed spun in a circle?


Go big or go home
User currently offlineClipperhawaii From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2033 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 994 times:

The people of Iraq were doing quite nicely until the US/UK imposed illegal sanctions, The sanctions are what have caused the suffering.

This is so humorous I can hardly find words to respond.

Think of it, an immense oil producing country with vast wealth that never looked like any gulf state that it could out-produce in oil.

So why didn't it? One answer, the greedy tyrant Saddam.

And by the way, for those of you whom OBVIOUSLY forgot, those sanctions were U.N. sanctions.

Selective memories are easily shot down.

Amusing nothing more.

Roll On!







"You Can't Beat The Experience"
User currently offlinePilot1113 From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 2333 posts, RR: 11
Reply 12, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 977 times:

>>Why werent the sanctions removed in 1995? or 1998?<<

Oil for Food doesn't ring a bell?

- Neil Harrison


User currently offlineADG From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 959 times:

someone who blames Saddam 100% for the hunger in Iraq is a fool
someone who blames American 100% for the hunger in Iraq is also a fool

world is full of fools.





ADG


User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13210 posts, RR: 77
Reply 14, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 945 times:

The problem with Erj190 and Indianguy's points is that the pic of the Royal Marine was in a palace built in 1996, in fact most of the palace on the news were built in the 1990's, when Iraqi people were starving, so if there had been no sanctions the logic is that he would have built those places anyway, plus a shitload of arms.
I think the response in Basra now his goons are dead or have run away, speaks volumes.



User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 941 times:

"Where have you been when the whole world was saying Saddam was a murderer ?
Where were you when the USA was helping uncle Saddam to fight Iran?
Where were you when the god Old USA was teaching him how to gas, his population and the Iranians?"

Judging by the age (and mental acuities) of the usual bunch of rabble rousers on here, I suspect that:
a. They were not born as yet, or were still toddlers in the 80s; or
b. They were blissfully unaware of who Saddam Hussein was, or where Iraq was or what it was; or
c. They were too busy watching Magnum PI or Dynasty; or
d. They were too busy pulling the lever for Reagan/Bush; or
e. The news in the US was too busy covering other issues like "Donald Trump gets new bimbo for wife;" or
f. They really couldn't give a damn because those dead civilians Saddam killed weren't props in propaganda for a war waged by a wag-the-dog President; or
g. All of the above.



User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 937 times:

"How long before the usual suspects come in to defend Saddam's lifestyle?"

Keep holding your breath. And while you're at it do a FOIA request at the State department or the Dept. of Commerce to determine how much $$$ we sent Saddam's way in 1987.

Frankly, those palaces were positively hideous. Sorry, but Arab despots (including the Saudi variants) aren't exactly known for their refined taste. The best thing that can happen to those palaces is for the US to drop a few well-aimed cluster bombs and finish the job once and for all.


User currently offlineJwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 18
Reply 17, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 936 times:

Why werent the sanctions removed in 1995? or 1998?

Because Iraq hadn't met the conditions under which those sanctions would be removed, which is full disarmement and disclosure together with full cooperation with the UN.




I wish I were flying
User currently offlineMalina From Germany, joined Jul 2000, 146 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 918 times:

I think no head-of-state lives in poverty, anywhere in the world. And their slaves hunger in other parts of the world as well. The rich do not open their pockets to the poor. Not on this planet.

User currently offlinePrebennorholm From Denmark, joined Mar 2000, 6453 posts, RR: 54
Reply 19, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 911 times:

Right Malina, I also think that no head of state lives in poverty.

My prime minister doesn't for sure. His wife has a good job as a school teacher. In addition he makes himself about $150k!!! (from which he only has to pay roughly half as income tax). Plus free car with chauffeur.

Such people certainly live a decent life! I have to work hard - and overtime too - to make just half of his income.



Always keep your number of landings equal to your number of take-offs, Preben Norholm
User currently offline747-451 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 2417 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 897 times:

a. They were not born as yet, or were still toddlers in the 80s and 70's; or
b. They were blissfully unaware of who Saddam Hussein was, or where Iraq was or what it was; or
c. They were too busy watching Magnum PI or Dynasty or Friends or West Wing;
d. They were too busy pulling the lever for Reagan/Bush/Clinton Carter; or
e. The news in the US was too busy covering other issues like "Donald Trump gets new bimbo for wife;" "Monica" "WhiteWater"
f. They really couldn't give a damn because those dead civilians Saddam killed weren't props in propaganda for a war waged by a wag-the-dog or sex crazed liar President; or for that matter every prtesident since 1963 when the baa'athists were installed.
g. The feckless profiteering companies of US, Germany, France, Russia.
h. Actually believed that the UN did "something" (other than stand idly by while ehtnic cleansing in Zimbabwe take place for instance)


Just adding some clairifactions



User currently offlineAlessandro From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 874 times:

Luckily for the allies the Tikrit mob spent too much money on themselves than
on their own people, pretty stupid I say, but the Kuwait war was also stupid. Mainly people who support them abroad don´t know them
or where bribed (palestinians got money).


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