TechRep From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2051 times:
Has anyone noticed this other than me? All of the so called Bush illusions are becoming more solid, Iraqi's are welcoming the so called invaders, the war is not becoming bogged-down, not another Vietnam and the Bush estimates about the war seem right on tract. The silence is almost deafening.
Captaingomes From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 6413 posts, RR: 58 Reply 2, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2019 times:
I don't have strong feelings for or against the war, there are many pros and cons in choosing the war or not. I think it's much too early to be celebrating victory, because it's not the war part that's the most significant in my mind. There was no doubt that the allied forces would win. I am surprised that there weren't chemical attacks, and glad it didn't happen.
I want to see in 6 months to a year how things develop. The war is the easy part, establishing a working democracy without threats of violence or other nasty repurcussions may not prove to be so easy. If it happens, then great! But until that does happen, nobody can really celebrate.
"it's kind of like an Airbus, it's an engineering marvel, but there's no sense of passion" -- J. Clarkson re: Coxster
Goingboeing From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4875 posts, RR: 19 Reply 8, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1989 times:
Techrep - still here, just finished dinner though. If I were you, I'd wait for a while to see if we get any suicide bombers stateside. Hooray hooray, the USA kicked the ass of a third rate military. But did we win the war? ONly time will tell.
Captaingomes From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 6413 posts, RR: 58 Reply 9, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1979 times:
Like I said, it's too early to parade the streets, because it's really far from over. The war itself is pretty much over, but how about the big picture? Obviously a lot of good has happened as a result, and the war itself has been fairly clean without an inordinate amount of mishaps. Like Goingboeing said, so the U.S. kicked the ass of a third rate militar, big deal? Will the plans of forming a democracy really happen as smoothly as some of you might think? I hope so, but I have my reservations. When a government is elected and the Iraqi's are standing on their own feet, with their economy working, then everybody can parade the streets and honour the Americans and British on a job well done. I will definitely salute the United States when that happens.
"it's kind of like an Airbus, it's an engineering marvel, but there's no sense of passion" -- J. Clarkson re: Coxster
Thumper From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 550 posts, RR: 1 Reply 10, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1979 times:
What I would like to know is what happened to all those retired Generals who said Tommy Franks and Rumsfeld had no idea on how to plan a war,they misjudged everything. Haven't heard from them for a while.
Glenn From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1969 times:
The war was never an issue. America would roll Iraq. Yhat was inevitable. Unfortunately, Innocent people died, on all sides. The WMD still not proven but they may well be..
The major concern that I had was the after affects of the war. We'll see what transpires. I am happy that the war is almost over, i feel the fighting may continue for years. Beware the enemy you can't see
CX747 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4385 posts, RR: 5 Reply 15, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1910 times:
It just shows you what the Iraqi people truly think of the "Peace Protesters" and how they view the "Infidels" with their military weapons. For the chirping birds of our own forum, I understand that it is just one Iraqi.
"History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or timid." D. Eisenhower
Prebennorholm From Denmark, joined Mar 2000, 6039 posts, RR: 55 Reply 17, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1907 times:
Dear Glenn, you tell us that you are happy that the war is almost over.
Talking about time frames, then please don't be too disappointed if there is still a long way to go.
After two weeks of showing off force the war is gradually entering a different phase. A phase where the Iraqii people shall have a fair chance to gain control over their own situation. And there will still be struggles at some locations.
This second phase will be a much slower thing. But also a phase where patience will be one of the qualities which the coalition commanders must master.
Those excursions into central Baghdad have a much more important task than just "showing force". They sure have carried powerfull loud speakers to tell the population how to handle their situation. It works much better than throwing millions of leaflets off Hercules planes.
They probably also left behind a trail of batteries for their radioes so they regardless of utility power or not can listen to Voice of America.
That voice will also soon be their way to be informed about how they handle their food supply.
Patience, patience, that will be the way to go during the next couple of weeks or maybe much more. That will minimize casualties among Iraqii civilians and coalition forces too.
Always keep your number of landings equal to your number of take-offs, Preben Norholm
Schoenorama From Spain, joined Apr 2001, 2440 posts, RR: 28 Reply 18, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1890 times:
"To all those in the "peace" movement who wanted to let sanctions work"
You still don't get it, don't you. NONE in the peace-movement wanted the sanctions. It was the US and the UK that maintained the bloody sanctions for 12 years. France and Russia didn't want the sanctions either.
The MP3 file is an interview between 1 (ONE) Iraqi and 1 (ONE) US anti-war protester (not a very good one, by the way). So just because 1 (ONE) Iraqi that lives in the US is against the UN, we should all believe EVERY SINGLE Iraqi citizen feels the same?
Here's an interesting article from the same KOMO site:
So now that the war in nearly over, a war that started over some chemical weapons Iraq could threaten the US with, and these chemical weapons might have finally been found, all of a sudden the Bush Administration tells you there are still many other reasons to be affraid of terrorist strikes. So what are they gonna do next? Ban all chlorine?
None of the anti-war posters on this board, except perhaps Indianguy, thought the US would not win an easy war from Iraq. The problem is that terrorism can simply not be dealt with by just winning from Iraq. Rather than getting rid of terrorist threats, this war has given many people a reason to hate the US. Some of them maybe probably didn't mind the US until they lost their families in 'collateral damage'. The US can win this war tomorrow or even tonight, but winning this war or ANY war will not put an end to the anti-US feeling throughout the Middle-East.
Utinam logica falsa tuam philosophiam totam suffodiant!
Dc10guy From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 2685 posts, RR: 7 Reply 20, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1871 times:
I'm still very against the war and Bush, I am still hopeful that all the troops come home soon. The pro war people are in the perfect place for arguing the war ... If it goes good its Bush's great job... If it goes bad its the anti-war people and the liberal medias fault. This war was avoidable. Bush did nothing to avoid the war. Thousands of innocent people are dead because of it... Did anyone ever think the Iraqi army would win ??? The next big question is how much are we going to spend on Iraq ??? At the expense of OUR schools & cites here ??? Bush is an asshole and so is Blair.....
Next time try the old "dirty Sanchez" She'll love it !!!
Jaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 21, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1869 times:
Did any of you for the slightest second believe that the US wouldn't win agains the Iraqi military? Even if we had scooters and water pistols, we could have won against Iraq. The Iraqi military was a joke post 1991, and Saddam was a tinpot dictator with a lot of ugly, tacky palaces. In effect, an Emperor with no clothes.
Now do you people believe that 1200 dead civilians (The Washiington Post reporting on April 7, 2003) is mere collateral damage? Now don't bring up "all the slaughtered civilians under Saddam." They were mostly killed when we sat around selling him more weapons to do his dirty deeds. Civilian deaths caused by the direct paramilitary fascism that Saddam became infamous have largely not occurred since the 1991 Shiite massacres (when we sat around twiddling our thumbs). Much of the opposition to war came from those who did not believe that civilian deaths in the thousands was a price worth paying if other avenues were available. Those avenues were in effect shut out. It turns out that those avenues with a military presence helped reduce the Iraqi military to a non-entity over 12 years.
As far as that Iraqi goes, he could well have been some comic at an Improv for all you know, or one of the goons who made up Saddam's overseas opposition - a rather unsavory bunch. Iraqi politicians of all stripes were never known for their finesse and respect of human rights. But interestingly enough, I was just watching the BBC where interviews with the local population of a Baghdadi suburb showed a level of social schizophrenia in Iraq. Those who were interviewed said they liked the US soldiers, but didn't like the US, didn't like Britain (Britannia, they called it), didn't want the US in Iraq. A few said they wanted the US soldiers to be "king," while others said "kill Saddam and all his family." Surprisingly, most said they hated the Iraqi military, but loved Saddam. Others said they hated Saddam, and hated Israel. All said they were sick of the bombing and were tired of watching a parade of funerals. It was quite mindboggling, and showed the enormous complexity we have to deal with in Iraq.
I suspect that a few months from now, when we are caught in a quagmire in Iraq far more complex for most of you to understand (and one can only hope that Paul Wolfowitz doesn't think that massive pogroms of Iraqi against Iraqi isn't also mere collateral damage), and when FoxNews has moved on to topics like "Fat running woman causes forest fire with chafing thighs," the cheerleaders will move on to topics less taxing for their minds.
Indianguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 23, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1875 times:
You armchair soldiers have no balls to go out there and fight. You love wars, becuase its free entertainment: Something different from the everyday fare you see on FOX. And you dont even have the balls (or the knowledge) to enter into a sensible debate with the anti-war camp. So you guys prefer to shout us down!
So I am now doing what I can do on the ground to ensure that this war machine cannot rise again to smash another country's independence; rape another 5000 year culture the way Iraq was. Or Afghanistan before that.
We are organising an economic boycott of British and American products. From clothes to cosmetics, from airlines to TV channels. And the response we have got in city like Pune is phenomenal! Thousands of students have written in saying they want to join in! Some have even come up with suggestions like making huge bonfires of US/UK made products, and complete boycott of stores keeping products made in these countries. Suggestions which will be taken up.
Already, cable operators in the city have pulled out FOX, even without us asking! We are now asking for a ban on the BBC and the CNN.
I believe this is the beginning of a revolution. We will not help these new age invaders by enriching them so they can go out and enslave other people. After all, it is Iraq today, it could well be India the day after!
All of the so called Bush illusions are becoming more solid, Iraqi's are welcoming the so called invaders,
More childish drivel. Whioch of the "illusisions" have become solid? Where are the WMD's over which the war was fought?