Marcus From Mexico, joined Apr 2001, 1497 posts, RR: 2 Posted (6 years 8 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1039 times:
There was one from Al Jaz............I guess this could be the other side of the coin....something like "The picture (insert least favorite news service here) doesn't want you to see"
Kids!....we are going to the happiest place on earth...TIJUANA! signed: Krusty the Clown
UALPHLCS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 2, posted (6 years 8 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 984 times:
What happened to the child?
Did he step on an Iraqi landmine?
Did he get hit with stray Anti-aircraft fire?
Was he too close to a Fedyeen suicide fighter?
Until someone can tell you the story behind the pictures they are not worth a thousand words. They aren't worth the paper they are printed on.
I'll accept that the US has hurt innocent people. But it was an accident. The US military goes out of its way to avoid hitting innocent people. It is a stark contrast to other groups in the Middle East that delight in hitting targets like this.
Tell me if that child was Isreali would you have posted it?
I don't normally stoop to adding anything to these threads but this has gone to far.
Artsyman From United States, joined Feb 2001, 4736 posts, RR: 58 Reply 5, posted (6 years 8 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 909 times:
The US military goes out of its way to avoid hitting innocent people.
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This comes up all the time, and some people just don't get it. If the US did not care about civilian casualties, the war would have lasted about 20 minutes
Aloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 5853 posts, RR: 51 Reply 6, posted (6 years 8 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 885 times:
"But it was an accident."
Accident or not, there's war in Iraq. And war means innocent victims, just like many other things do. And as long as American authorities regret civilian casualties, they're doing one thing right. At long last.
And just in case anybody thought different: Yes, I do feel sorry for that exact same boy.
N79969 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 7, posted (6 years 8 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 858 times:
Artsyman is correct. If the US did not care about civilians, Baghad would have been a sheet of glass. The US cares a lot more about Iraqis than does the Baath party.
Airplay From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 8, posted (6 years 8 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 855 times:
This comes up all the time, and some people just don't get it. If the US did not care about civilian casualties, the war would have lasted about 20 minutes
Glenn From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (6 years 8 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 820 times:
With all the so called intelligence. America did not need to enter. After 12 years, they could have taken him out.
With their operatives in teh field, they could have called a cruise mille or 2 in at any time they suspected him or his croonies being in any of the locations.
Don't tell me they never know where he is, they had good info at the start remember. So if they missed once, they could have done him the next time or the next time.
Maybe there would have been a few casualties. Not the thousands we are seeing now. And by casualties, i mean those that are lucky to survive but never be able to walk, see or hold anything again. For the rest of their liberated lives.
America Boasts it has the worlds best Spy Technology. How long could have Saddam hid
NWA742 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 10, posted (6 years 8 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 809 times:
Airplay, it wouldn't have to be nukes, trust me.
We could layer Baghdad within only a few minutes with an asortment of our air power, you better believe it.
And if the US didn't care about anything in Iraq, then, yes, only a touch of one button, and less than a minute later, the war's over without a single loss for us.
Yep, the US and Coalition forces sure are the selfishs ones, aren't they?
N79969 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 11, posted (6 years 8 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 795 times:
"With all the so called intelligence. America did not need to enter. After 12 years, they could have taken him out."
Guess what? France did nothing, Germany nothing, the Arab league- nothing. Now we are doing something What's your point?
"Maybe there would have been a few casualties. Not the thousands we are seeing now. And by casualties, i mean those that are lucky to survive but never be able to walk, see or hold anything again. For the rest of their liberated lives."
Tell that to the ghosts of people that Uday (or Qusay) stuck in the plastic shredders feet first.
Aloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 5853 posts, RR: 51 Reply 12, posted (6 years 8 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 780 times:
Folks, don't forget that a third nuke (after Japan) used by the US wouldn't be very popular with the rest of the world. And we're not that irrelevant, are we?
"Yep, the US and Coalition forces sure are the selfishs ones, aren't they?"
Nope, I wouldn't call them selfish. But neither would I call them giving.
Charleslp From United States, joined Oct 2001, 336 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (6 years 8 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 735 times:
Yes, things like this do happen in all wars. The U.S. was the only country to use an atomic weapon (twice actually; Harry Truman didn't want too many casualties), but we did it for a reason. I'm pretty sure that there were pictures of dead and deformed Japanese civillians, but, in a war, that is often considered as collateral damage. I guess digital pictures and instant war coverage just makes war more realistic, doesn't it?
N79969 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 19, posted (6 years 8 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 723 times:
Glenn,
You have it exactly backwards. As usual. I am not the one opposing war on the grounds that one innocent people would die. You are. Innocent people were dying under Saddam and you and other others that profess to be for 'peace' did not seem to give a damn about them. But you loudly weep when an Iraqi is accidentally killed by US forces. I also mourn the loss of innocent life but I keep it in perspective. Innocent Germans and French died during the liberation of Europe.
The US did not launch this war to liberate Iraq. We did this to disarm a country that could have evenutally set off a major war in a very volatile part of the planet with global consequences.
The argument of helping the Iraqi people is only raised as a rebuttal when people of your persuasion oppose war on the grounds that innocent people would suffer. Time to wake up and realize that they already were.
Glenn From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (6 years 8 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 696 times:
My point is this war is an unjust one really. If the case that is put forward to us is the case, then it would have happened before. I can't help but feel the sanctions imposed on Iraq by the US did nothing but hurt the Iraqies anyway. The Iraq Gov't had all he wanted anyway. Seen his palaces, what was he loosng. Nothing.
There are other oppressed countries around the world, why is not the same thing happening there as well.
When these questions are answered, them maybe I can honestly believe there is a case that the invasion is to help the Iraqies.
Iraqies are not the only starving Nation. You are aware of that i take.
Airplay From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 21, posted (6 years 8 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 679 times:
We could layer Baghdad within only a few minutes with an asortment of our air power, you better believe it.
Hehe...yep. Just put in a few thousand patriot missle batteries then host an Air Force fly over. Iraq would be littered with an "assortment of our air power" in no time....
N79969 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 23, posted (6 years 8 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 661 times:
Glenn,
I do not see the injustice in this war. The tragic loss of innocent in life in a war that ends Saddam’s reign, surely pales next to the injustice visited by Saddam Hussein and his children upon the Iraqi people.
Saddam Hussein chose to keep weapons at the expense of UN sanctions. Not US sanctions. Saddam made a deliberate choice. Not the US. He squandered the food for oil funds, not the US. So don't blame us. Should we have acquiesced to Saddam because he looted and hoarded his own country's wealth?
The US gets involved only if there are two preconditions:
1. It's interests (including security) is threatened
2. It has moral imperative.
(Exceptions: Somalia and Haiti)
There are plenty of starving and hungry people around the world. But the US will not go and fight unless our security is at stake. This is what happened in WWI, WWII, Viet Nam, and Korea. If we do come and stay for a while, we leave the place better than we found it. Look at Germany, Japan, and South Korea.
Herman From Singapore, joined Jul 2000, 231 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (6 years 8 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 641 times:
There are plenty of starving and hungry people around the world. But the US will not go and fight unless our security is at stake. This is what happened in WWI, WWII, Viet Nam, and Korea. If we do come and stay for a while, we leave the place better than we found it. Look at Germany, Japan, and South Korea. (N79969)
N79969- Oh really... wat about afghanistan. Their misson there was incomplete and now they are going into another mission. And what weapons are you talking about..-Al samoud(they were destroyed remember). After the destruction of such weapons, Usa comes in to attack. They are already a superpower but in these war i dont see them being one. They keep killing their own soldiers. Superpower- another definition perhaps!
*break*
Why is it the Americans especially cannot see that Bush is in the war because of oil. Even CNN is saying that although indirectly. So cut the crap about freeing the Iraqis. Thats bullshit. If you really cared, you wouldnt be waiting for 12 years to help them. Bush is a moron and he is working to pleased the Jewish lobby in USA. IF Usa really wants to help, why not fund the palestine instead of funding the already rich Israel with billions of dollars. Is there justification there. The jews destroy peoples home and you expect people not to retaliate. Until you experience something like that than you wouldnt mine being a suicide bomber...
I know many will disagree with my views. The truth is hard to swallow. We are leaving in an oppressed world today. Braced yourself for the coming of time and search for the truth. May god bless!
Matt D From United States, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 56 Reply 25, posted (6 years 8 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 630 times:
Here's another picture you don't want to see:
26 N79969: Herman, What about Afghanistan? As a resident of Singapore, you probably realize that your wonder of a city-state was not built in under 24 months. Af
27 Krushny: Funny thing is that this picture appeared in the Spanish press a week ago, and caused an uproar, even the Parliament discussed it. Only today it has
28 9V-SVE: What about Afghanistan? As a resident of Singapore, you probably realize that your wonder of a city-state was not built in under 24 months. Afghanista
29 Glenn: Well this is my take on it. Americans like to know they are kicking arse, just don't wanna see what the arse looks like. It ruins their image.
30 Lewis: If you actually read what I posted, you would have noticed in one of my 2 or 3 posts that I clearly stated that our mission in Iraq is not for humanit
31 Glenn: See you can feed some some Bullshit and they'll buy it, those that don't need a different dose of bullshit medicine Therfore we have Liberation/freedo
32 BUFJets: For anyone who still thinks the war to replace Saddam's Baath party regime was morally wrong, Here's some factual information about the kind of tortur
33 Alpha 1: For anyone who still thinks the war to replace Saddam's Baath party regime was morally wrong I think, with few exceptions on here (including our resid
34 N79969: 9V-SVE, Why don't you read Herman's post first before deriding a post as off-topic? He made a terrible comparison and I refuted it. Glenn, You keep ho
35 4holer: N79969, Testify, Brother N79969!!! Again, you clearly state the facts much better than I can. And I hope you realize that you have plenty of us behind
36 Prebennorholm: Of course it is relevant to show also this picture. But it isn't relevant to go and investigate whether it was caused by an Iraqi land mine or an off
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