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When If The Golf V Coming Out?  
User currently offlineUTA_flyinghigh From Tunisia, joined Oct 2001, 6495 posts, RR: 50
Posted (11 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 1463 times:

Does anybody have any info or pics of the next VW Golf ? so I can get a rock-bottom price on a MKIV Golf this summer...  Smile/happy/getting dizzy


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User currently offlineDesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7811 posts, RR: 16
Reply 1, posted (11 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1449 times:

At least in North America the 5th generation Golf and Jetta goes on sale as an '05 model. So probably around September 2004 you'll see em in dealers. Though '04 models are seeing some improvements... at least there will be a new TDI engine with more power.


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User currently offlineCaptaingomes From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 6413 posts, RR: 55
Reply 2, posted (11 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1446 times:

Golf V will be shown in September at the Frankfurt Auto Show. It will go on sale either in late 2003 or early 2004 in Europe. The Audi A3 has been introduced, and is based on the Golf V platform.

The Golf and Jetta V will be introduced to North Americans at the 2005 Detroit Auto Show.

Oh, DesertJets, UTA isn't interested in the TDI. They are smelly and dirty. He doesn't know what he's missing.  Smile

There aren't any pictures of the Golf and Jetta yet, but here's the A3 to give you an idea of proportions of the two door model.




"it's kind of like an Airbus, it's an engineering marvel, but there's no sense of passion" -- J. Clarkson re: Coxster
User currently offlineLH423 From Canada, joined Jul 1999, 6501 posts, RR: 54
Reply 3, posted (11 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1444 times:

Captaingomes: Are you saying that is going to be released here in North America? Also, isn't it already released in Europe as the A2?

LH423



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User currently offlineRacko From Germany, joined Nov 2001, 4857 posts, RR: 20
Reply 4, posted (11 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1440 times:

The A2 and A3 are different cars. The A2 is a light-weight little ugly car, the A3 is a sporty compact car slightly above the Golf class.

User currently offlineAndreas From Germany, joined Oct 2001, 6104 posts, RR: 31
Reply 5, posted (11 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1441 times:

LH I'm not sure if I understand your question, but the A2 has nothing to do with the Golf platform (except some minor parts, of course), that's definitely the A3 being the "brother" of the Golf.


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User currently offlineDesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7811 posts, RR: 16
Reply 6, posted (11 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 1440 times:

I thought the intro for the Golf and Jetta would be sooner, since the Detroit show is in Dec/Jan. I can't understand why they have such a long lag time between the European introduction and NA intro. I wish they'd come out sooner seeing as I will be buying something around Dec 03. There are pics out of the Golf V... Autoweek and Automobile have em in their latest issues. I'll try to find a pic.

As for the A3... right now it seems that only the Avant will come to the US. Perhaps the S3, once it is released will come as well.... seems Americans still think of old VW Rabbits and Ford Escorts when it comes to hatchbacks.


But I am excited for the Golf/Jetta V. They finally get a class leading entry-level engine... though the basic 2.0 isn't bad, it just isn't exciting... and the 1.8T makes them a bit on the pricey side.



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User currently offlineCaptaingomes From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 6413 posts, RR: 55
Reply 7, posted (11 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 1434 times:

DesertJets, the "pictures" you see in magazines of the next Golf have nothing to do with the real thing. They are impressions from magazine artists who speculate on what the cars will look like. If you're buying in December of this year, you'll have to settle for the current version of the Golf/Jetta. They are getting a little refreshing, new taillights and trunk lid, a bit of chrome, and the slightly more powerful TDI. There might also be a special version of the Jetta next year, with the 1.8T engine, 18" wheels and other sporty touches.

LH, nothing is confirmed regarding the A3, but it is strongly rumoured that it will make it to North America. Target starting price is about $25,000 US. Right now they are saying if it comes to North America, it will be the 4 door model, which is more upright than the 2 door shown above. One interesting iteration that will likely make it is an "Allroad" version, very similar to the A6 wagon Allroad, with increased ride height, pneumatic suspension, and more rugged appearance.




"it's kind of like an Airbus, it's an engineering marvel, but there's no sense of passion" -- J. Clarkson re: Coxster
User currently offlineCPH-R From Denmark, joined May 2001, 6054 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (11 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 1429 times:

Is that a new A3? 'coz I learned to drive in the old (well, old and old), and it was pretty sporty. Only thing I couldn't get used to, was to push the gear stick down and to the left in order to go into reverse. I constantly tried to put it where the 6th gear would be placed  Nuts

User currently offlineDesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7811 posts, RR: 16
Reply 9, posted (11 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 1422 times:

Too bad the pics are airbrushed. Still looks pretty good, kinda reminds me a bit of the Peugeot 307. Which is another good looking hatch.

Just browsing around the VWVortex website and saw an interesting rumor that VW North America is considering bringing the Polo to the US market again (previously sold as the Fox). Probably not a bad move, as the Golf/Jetta move up the size and price ladder and VW tries to increase sales more. Though selling a $15k Polo and a $60k Phaeton in the same showroom might be a bit odd.



Stop drop and roll will not save you in hell. --- seen on a church marque in rural Virginia
User currently offlineCaptaingomes From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 6413 posts, RR: 55
Reply 10, posted (11 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 1418 times:

Yeah, the Polo would be a great addition to the VW lineup. I'm sure LOT767-300ER would trade in his Impala for that car. He's also trade in the Blazer for the Touareg, since the Touareg tows more and is better off-road.  Big grin

With VW moving upmarket, at a time when this might be ill-advised, the Polo could bring in relief and also increase the breadth of VW's product offerings. I think the big issue is whether VW can bring in the Polo cost effectively to compete against the Echo, Corolla, Civic and Kias. No doubt the product will be great, but I don't know if VW can bring it in at a good price and make a profit.

Besides, I think the Polo would have to be cheaper than that, since you can actually get a Golf for $15,000 in the US. A Polo could start at $13,000 or so, and have a loaded one out the door for $16,000 or so to be effective I think.



"it's kind of like an Airbus, it's an engineering marvel, but there's no sense of passion" -- J. Clarkson re: Coxster
User currently offlineDesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7811 posts, RR: 16
Reply 11, posted (11 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 1416 times:

I think people are willing to pay a premium to get into a VW though. Though I would need measurements in english units to really get a size comparison between the Polo and the Civic, Corolla, Sentra, et al. Perhaps it is best to wait until the next gen product comes out before VW does anything. I think the dealer network is being pushed pretty hard right now with the demands required for selling the Touareg and Phaeton.

Yeah LOT should trade his Impala and that Blazer for a Touareg with the V10 TDI. Not that baby has some tire shredding torque.



Stop drop and roll will not save you in hell. --- seen on a church marque in rural Virginia
User currently offlineCaptaingomes From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 6413 posts, RR: 55
Reply 12, posted (11 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 1408 times:

He might be impressed when he hears it has 313 hp and 550 lbs ft of torque, 12" of ground clearance, 7,700 tow rating, centre locking diffs (and I believe front and rear too, but I could be mistaken), 28 MPG on the highway (excellent for an SUV with that much power and weighing over 5,000 lbs). Yeah, we just might be able to convert him.  Smile


"it's kind of like an Airbus, it's an engineering marvel, but there's no sense of passion" -- J. Clarkson re: Coxster
User currently offlineRayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 8037 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (11 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 1409 times:

I think the schedule for rollout of the Golf Mk. V is Fall 2003 in continental Europe, early 2004 for British market right-hand-drive models, and around September 2004 for the North American market (since North American market Golfs and Jettas are built in Mexico and the Mexican plant has to start the switch over some time in the spring of 2004).

I've heard that for the US market the Golf/Jetta Mk. V will have engines rated at 135 bhp (non-turbocharged I-4), 175 bhp (turbocharged I-4), 225 bhp (non-turbocharged V-6), and 300 bhp (turbocharged V-6 for future Golf R32 version).


User currently offlineDesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7811 posts, RR: 16
Reply 14, posted (11 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 1406 times:

I was doing some more poking at VW vortex and I keep reading different things.

What I first read in Automobile was this:
130-40hp 2.0L
180hp 2.0L Turbo
100 or 115hp 1.9L TDI
plus the 3.2L VR6

I think I am missing an engine here.

Now I've read that the TDI will be a 2liter unit, which will first come in the 04 Passat, producing 136hp and 236lb-ft of torque (not too shabby).

Now VWVotrex GolfV FAQ says a mix of naturally aspirated and turbocharged inline 5s, which are new designs, intially the 1.9l 100hp TDI which arrives next year, after the low-sulfur diesel comes a 130hp 1.9l TDI PD. Then a 3.6L VR6 in GLI and GTI trim 4Motion Golfs and Jettas.


Right now I am inclined to think the first story is the true one, with the 2.0L TDI inplace of the 1.9.



Stop drop and roll will not save you in hell. --- seen on a church marque in rural Virginia
User currently offlineCaptaingomes From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 6413 posts, RR: 55
Reply 15, posted (11 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 1400 times:

I am more inclined to believe vwvortex. Jamie, who runs the site has contacts at VW, and basically gets info before it's officially released, and is kept up to date with what's going on at VW/Audi. From past experience, his predictions are very accurate, while Automobile, and other magazines are often way off. The inline-5 is not certain, there will likely be a 2.0 turbo with 200 hp, the 3.6 VR6 will be naturally aspirated and produce roughly 280 hp, and will also be in the next Passat. The TDI will be the 2.0 with 136 hp to start, but they say that engine is easily capable of 180 hp in the not too distant future. I really hope they take quality control seriously though, because that is the single most important aspect with VW products at this point. They claim the next Golf/Jetta will have reliability to rival the top Japanese manufacturers, but Ford said the same thing with the Taurus, saying it would beat the Camry's reliability, and that has been proven wrong.


"it's kind of like an Airbus, it's an engineering marvel, but there's no sense of passion" -- J. Clarkson re: Coxster
User currently offlineDesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7811 posts, RR: 16
Reply 16, posted (11 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 1388 times:

I'll guess I need to take your word. Though it wouldn't be the first time a VW had a 5-banger. But if the 5cyl doesn't come to fruition or isn't available initially... what would replace it? Is there a 16v version of the 2.0 available at the moment? Which would seem to be a likely engine choice.


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User currently offlineKROC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (11 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 1383 times:

I'm not sure when the Golf V is coming out, but I have decided to "come out" next weekend.

Signed, 777236ER


User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (11 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 1382 times:

Hmmm, posting fantasies about me coming out now KROC? Some might say that's indicative of something...

User currently offlineRayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 8037 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (11 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 1367 times:

Captaingomes,

That 136 bhp TDI engine you're talking about is very likely closely related the PD130 engine that is already now on sale in European-market Golfs and Boras (as the Jetta is now known in Europe). I wouldn't be surprised that with engine computer improvements at least 165 bhp is possible for a US 50-state legal version a few years down the road.


User currently offlineQuerosene From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 89 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (11 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 1365 times:

There aren't any pictures of the Golf and Jetta yet, but here's the A3 to give you an idea of proportions of the two door model.



Check: http://www.xs4all.nl/~wvhart/golfV/

Jorge


User currently offlineCaptaingomes From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 6413 posts, RR: 55
Reply 21, posted (11 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 1355 times:

Jorge, that's just one of many photoshop's of what Golfs might look like. Funny thing is, every one of them looks different too, so until VW releases pictures or you start seeing actual spy shots, you can't believe in any of them.

Ray, the 2.0 TDI is an all new motor, and is not related to the 1.9 PD 130 engine available in Europe. If anything, the 1.9PD 100 engine to be sold in the 2004 Golfs, Jettas and New Beetles is related to the PD 130 engine.



"it's kind of like an Airbus, it's an engineering marvel, but there's no sense of passion" -- J. Clarkson re: Coxster
User currently offlineDesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7811 posts, RR: 16
Reply 22, posted (11 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 1336 times:

I also suspect that the higher output TDI PDs are not doable in the US due to the high sulfur diesel we get. But apparently the 2.0 TDI does fine. Now in 2006 the low sulfur diesel should allow for more of the TDI engines to come, and be more than 45 state legal as well.

VWVortex (now I am glad I finally went there) did a great 5 part series on TDI. One of them tested a Bora with the 150hp TDI PD. That bad boy has the same amount of torque as the 3.2L VR6, and gets 40+ mpg on the highway. All Americans really want is torque. If CARB relaxes some rules on diesels, which they might actually do, in favor of improved consumption we might just get some of these gems from Europe.



Stop drop and roll will not save you in hell. --- seen on a church marque in rural Virginia
User currently offlineCaptaingomes From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 6413 posts, RR: 55
Reply 23, posted (11 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 1333 times:

That's right Desertjets, North America is biased against diesels because they are not familiar with the new generation diesels out there, and they have bad memories of the diesel powered cars from 20 years ago. Times have changed!

They might in fact relax the rules a bit for diesels, because you have to look at the overall picture. Diesels are superior to gasoline powered cars in some respects, while the converse is also true.



"it's kind of like an Airbus, it's an engineering marvel, but there's no sense of passion" -- J. Clarkson re: Coxster
User currently offlineUTA_flyinghigh From Tunisia, joined Oct 2001, 6495 posts, RR: 50
Reply 24, posted (11 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 1323 times:

New generation diesels ? yeah, right.
I am the (not so) proud owner of a 2001 VW Polo TDI 75, and whereas it displays traditional VW quality, the engine makes more noise on cold startups than an old school bus, and at European freeway cruising speed (150/160 kph) you need headseats to speak to your fellow pax. I thought well, maybe the Golf is better - I went to test drive a TDI 150 (yes, you read that correct -we have a 150 bhp diesel in the Golf in Europe), acceleration and overall performance was much greater...so were the noise levels.
For that kind of money, I can have a V5 4Motion and I'll barely hear the engine at idle...from the outside  Smile/happy/getting dizzy



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25 Captaingomes : Idle is the only time a new diesel is noisier. I have a Jetta TDI and compared to the 2.0, it is much more relaxed on the highway, and I regularly cru
26 Post contains images UTA_flyinghigh : econobox I drove at 160 kph while experiencing serene cruising : Renault Clio 1.6 16V (110 bhp). D'autres questions ?
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