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Sick And Tired Of Breathing Diesel Fumes  
User currently offlineUTA_flyinghigh From Tunisia, joined Oct 2001, 6495 posts, RR: 50
Posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 2462 times:

This is for the moronic French, German, Italian and Spanish governments (any others) who put much more taxes on unleaded gasoline than on dirty diesel, which results in Paris looking (and smelling like Mexico City) and small cars with diesel engines making more noise than a dull-sized gas pickup.
Fact : Diesel is more expensive to produce -one barrel of crude yields five barrels of unleaded versus four of diesel.
It smells bad, produces soot and is said to cause cancer.
What do you think ?


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User currently offlineCaptaingomes From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 6413 posts, RR: 55
Reply 1, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 2414 times:

I always heard that diesel is less expensive to produce. Modern diesels have come a long way in the last decade. They are much cleaner, and of course more efficient. They typically have a 30-40% improvement in fuel economy, with a similar improvement in carbon dioxide emissions compared to gasoline engines. When you take into account the lower maintenance and greater longevity of diesel engines, they are highly regarded as being an environmentally friendly solution. Remember also, hybrids, being touted as super environmentally friendly cars, have massive batteries. These don't last forever, and their production and disposal create major environmental concerns of their own.

The diesel fumes you smell in European cities is from the old diesel engines still running around that admittedly are smelly and loud. You cannot say the same about modern diesels. Besides, new particulate traps used in Peugeot and Mercedes-Benz diesels are able to trap something like 99% of these particulates, filtering them so they are not emitted into the air we breathe. These traps are very new, allow diesels to meet very stringent requirements being imposed by both European and American emissions regulations, and will likely be used by all other diesel engine manufacturers in the near future.

The big drawback to implementing these technologies in the United States at this point is the high sulphur content in diesel fuel compared to Europe. Once ULSD is introduced in 2006, that will also change.



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User currently offlineMls515 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3076 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 2391 times:



Get used to it. How do you think Europe is meeting the Kyoto Protocol? They're trading greenhouse gas emissions from gasoline fuel for diesel fuel emissions! Very simple.

But like Capt. Gomes said, cleaner diesel is on the way.


User currently offlinePrebennorholm From Denmark, joined Mar 2000, 6451 posts, RR: 54
Reply 3, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 2379 times:

30-40% improvement in fuel economy, with a similar improvement in carbon dioxide emissions compared to gasoline engines.

Part of the math is that one gallon of diesel fuel contains roughly 20% more carbon. It is also some 15-17% heavier.

The low sulphur diesel fuel used today is indeed more expensive to produce than 95 octane gas - per gallon, but not per pound.

I know because my living is producing and selling oil products.

The discussion whether we should have so and so much diesel vs gas is hypotetical because from crude oil comes roughly so and so much gas and diesel. There isn't much we can do about it, and when we do the little we can, then it is very energy comsuming (= Kyoto unfriendly).

If we imagine that we all drive diesel cars, then it would be absolutely mandatory to invent the gas powered car. How else should we get rid of the gas?

I think that we can all agree that it would be best to burn diesel on the countryside, and gas in the towns. That type of hybride car hasn't been invented yet. Anyway I think that downtown Paris the smell of half burned chestnuts is worse than the diesel smell.

Preben Norholm



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User currently offlineUTA_flyinghigh From Tunisia, joined Oct 2001, 6495 posts, RR: 50
Reply 4, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2356 times:

Try this :
Take two similar vehicles, both gasoline and diesel, ex, a Clio dCi and a 16V, start them up and put two handkerchiefs in front of the exhausts. Guess which one will be pitch black in a couple of minutes ?



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User currently offlineSebolino From France, joined May 2001, 3681 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2352 times:

Particles filters exist and are used on Peugeor 607 and Peugeot 307 HDI 110.
The result is a reduction by 99% of the particle emissions (which are believed to give cancers).

Particle filters should be mandatory on every car and truck by law, right now !!!!


User currently offlineCaptaingomes From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 6413 posts, RR: 55
Reply 6, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2336 times:

Sebolino, this technology is new, so let it filter down normally. It will take a couple of years to make it widespread, but it will happen. It's how manufacturers are meeting the strict emissions laws. So hold your horses, it will happen. In the mean time, go live in a filtered bubble.


"it's kind of like an Airbus, it's an engineering marvel, but there's no sense of passion" -- J. Clarkson re: Coxster
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