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Do Germans Like Lexus/Infiniti?Acura Japanese Cars  
User currently offlineMhsieh From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 332 posts, RR: 0
Posted (11 years 1 week 3 days ago) and read 4537 times:

When I was in the UK, France, and Italy this past summer, I remember there were not many Japanese imports there as there are in the U.S.
I am wondering why?
I am most curious what the Germans think about these Japanese cars that were designed to be direct competition against their high end brands like M-B, BMW, and Audi. Are Japanese cars popular in Germany? Are they considered as prestigious as the German high end cars? How about the price?
Thanks.

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User currently offlineCPH-R From Denmark, joined May 2001, 5909 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (11 years 1 week 3 days ago) and read 4529 times:

Cheap prices on cars? I mean, we in Denmark have to pay something like 200-300% of the cars value in various taxes (enviromental and import). Perhaps it's the same in Germany?

User currently offlineAndreas From Germany, joined Oct 2001, 6104 posts, RR: 32
Reply 2, posted (11 years 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 4527 times:

No they just aimed at a market segment that in Germany is reserved exclusively to German manufacturers. Therefore Lexus was never very successful, just a niche player. That is no judgement on their quality, I once drove a rented Lexus and it was quite nice, but they did never stand a chance on the German market and probably never will.
As for the image...no way, not even close!!

Now in the compact car class, this is somewhat different, that's low margin business and the French, Japanese and Italian manufacturers managed to wrestle quite a bit of market share away from the German manufacturers and deservedly so, as these are very good cars. But in that market segment image is not that much of a concern, but pricing and quality, and as quality is now at a common level nearly all manufacturers have reached, it's pricing, and not image!

Hope that helps!



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User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 54
Reply 3, posted (11 years 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 4524 times:

Mhsieh,

Your comments are true of continental Europe, but not really of the UK. The UK market is by far the largest European one for the likes of Toyota/Lexus, Honda, Mitsubishi, Subaru, Nissan and the rest. Indded, many of the cars are made here. The Honda Civic (Si in the US) is made in the UK and exported to the US and to Japan, while Nissan also make them here.

Some of the brands and models are different to what you see over there though, and that might be why you didn't notice it as much. Amongst the most popular models are the high performance ones, so the Honda Type R range, Mitsubishi EVO's, Subaru Impreza Turbos are all to be found in remarkably large numbers here.



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User currently offlineJwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 19
Reply 4, posted (11 years 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 4516 times:

Acura and Infinity aren't avaible in the Netherlands, and neither in Germany AFAIK.
Lexus is seen as a cheap ripoff of Mercedes (down to the type numbers...).

Japanese cars here have a serious foothold in the middle class market (competing with VW, Peugeot, Fiat) but not much more (though they are gaining ground in the SUV/ATV market which is very young here.



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User currently offlineAlessandro From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (11 years 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 4498 times:

Well, Citroën sells cars in Japan, so I guess the Japanese sell cars in Germany,
Honda Insight is sold in Germany but not Sweden, check out www.mobile.de
and you find out which cars are most common.


User currently offlineHeavymetal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (11 years 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4479 times:

Lexus is seen as a cheap ripoff of Mercedes (down to the type numbers...).

I would think Germans would appreciate fine engineering.

As with many other things, the Japanese took a good idea and built it better. Lexus cars have half the maintenance problems Mercedes do, especially as the car gets older.



User currently offlineAndreas From Germany, joined Oct 2001, 6104 posts, RR: 32
Reply 7, posted (11 years 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4478 times:

Quality notwithstanding, Heavy! I fully agree, that most Japanese cars are exceptional in the reliability department, but: We're talking about the image of the car, and that one is as lousy in Germany as it can get, as said above.


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User currently offlineBmi330 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 1450 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (11 years 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4473 times:

Lexus sells very well in the UK and are rather good at wining awards from the media hear in the UK especial Toyota and there Lexus spin off. The only negative thing I have heard about Lexus is the is2000's engine was a little bit under powered but they bring out a better 1. The German cars are also good sellers but usually driven by egomanaks, posers and people who think there flash. But if you want to talk about quality you cant beat the Jaguar's and since they became more affordable there is more and more beautiful s-types and x-types and less German machines.

User currently offlineMSY-MSP From United States of America, joined Jun 2002, 151 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (11 years 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 4462 times:

Just to help out my american friends here.

The Acura brand only exists in three countries. The US, Canada, and I cannot remeber the other country. Acura was set up in the US and Canada, when Honda wanted to bring the Legend to the US. However, Honda at the time was seen as a little Japanese car company that made econony cars. (i.e. cheap cars) They didn't think that americans would pay $25-$35K for a HONDA, when you could get an accord loaded for around $14000. So Honda created the Acura line and gave it the Legend, and the Integra. Currently the RL is sold around the world as the Honda Legend, and the RS is sold as Honda Integra, I don't know about the TL or the MDX. Of course the NSX is the NSX but sold under the Honda badge. Of course the Acura logo is merely the Honda H with a pair of pliers used to crush the top of the H to get an A.

Infiniti was created by Nissan for the same reasons as Acura. Nissan wanted to bring the Primera (G20) and its flagship (Q) (I forget what it was called in Japan or Europe) model to the states, but ran into the same problem with the cost/image percetption.

Lexus is the only one of the brands that exists around the world in this form. I believe Toyota wanted to create a Mercedes type line, and saw this as the way to do it. Of course my personal opinion of Lexus is I can buy a Toyota with almost the same features for a heck of a lot less. I mean the difference b/n a Camry and an ES330 is minimal, unless you want tons of leather and wood and a different look. Same for the Land Cruiser vs LX450, and the Highlander vs the RX300. Lexus is begining to look a lot like Ford and Mercury here in the states. At least Honda and Nissan keep the crossovers to a minimum, at least Nissan did until recently.

Of course for me I drive European cars (2 volkswagens, a volvo, an Audi that just got here). I like them better than the Japanese or American models, and don't get me started on the Korean cars. I have owned one Honda, which i bought after losing a VW in a crash, I would have bought another VW except for the dumb seatbelts the US gov made them install on them. Of course for a truck I would take a Ford, Chevy, Dodge any day over a Toyota, Nissan, Mazda (I know its a ford), or Mitsubishi any day.

MSY-MSP


User currently offlineCovert From Ghana, joined Oct 2001, 1445 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (11 years 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 4436 times:

I wouldn't give my Durango up for any Nissan, Toyota, or even Mercedes. When it comes to trucks, you can't mess with the motor city. Whether it's the Escalade, or the Navigator, Silverado or Ram, they can pull themselves out of any mess.
On the highway, however, that 98 mph electronic limiter (116mph on my Durango) on the Silverado gets kind of annoying because the S tires are only rated to 112mph.

On smoother roads and out of the city I would settle for for a smaller car. Japanese compacts and standards beat Detroit out of the water. My 89 Accord gets 36 to the gallon. 222,826 and still going. My 91 Tempo died at 98,000.
The Jap engineering is so simple and long-lasting. The tranny is the easiest to change ever on my Honda.

I rented an Altima a couple of times in the past month, and by golly I have fell in love with that car. Like a racecar. Got it up to 130 on the interstate and had people moving out of the lane for me before I looked at the speedo in awe. So responsive, had a lot of fun and looks through the city. The stock 6x9's were great.

Much better than that Cavalier I borrowed from my friends granny for my driver's test.


About German cars, my dad has a '79 Beemer 320i 4-speed and it still rules the highway...

covert



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